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Posted: Feb 18, 2020 - 4:02pm

looks like a beta program?

Amazon Care, the company’s virtual medical clinic, is now live for Seattle employees

CNBC previously reported that Amazon was working on an employee health clinic, and that the plans kicked off in the summer of 2018 with a few hires, including a top Seattle doctor who ran a network of health clinics.

Although the service is just for Amazon employees in Seattle today, if it succeeds in improving employee satisfaction and lowering costs, Amazon could theoretically offer it more broadly to other companies or directly to consumers. 

Amazon has a number of open roles, including product managers and designers, for Amazon Care as it looks to expand the team. Its care providers, including the physicians and nurses, are technically employed by a separate subsidiary called Oasis Medical. That provision ensures that Amazon won’t possess knowledge about its employees’ health that it’s not legally entitled to have.

Amazon isn’t the only technology company to set up its own primary care clinics for its workers. Apple has its own clinics, called AC Wellness, which are intended to provide high-quality care to employees working out of its California headquarters.

Amazon Care is just one part of Amazon’s overall health care strategy. As an employer, it is working with J.P. Morgan and Berkshire Hathaway on an effort called Haven to reduce costs and bolster the quality of care for the companies’ combined 1.2 million workers. The company is also working on health initiatives within its cloud group, where it has focused on voice technology and machine learning tools; the Alexa voice assistant team; and its pharmacy division, PillPack, which the company acquired in 2018.

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Posted: Aug 30, 2018 - 9:40am

I was watching the Rainmaker the other day.  How relevant that was and still is 20 years later.  Nothing has been done to change the fact that people die waiting for operations that are denied everyday with a stroke of a pen.
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Posted: Aug 30, 2018 - 5:32am

looks like this guy is married to a doctor and has some observations...

How Formerly Independent Doctors Were Pushed Out of Business

Rules and regulations intended to reform health care are driving private practices out of business by overconfident design.

Like many American physicians, my wife no longer works for herself. Under the same pressures that have forced many once-independent practices to consolidate, she was lucky enough to find a large health-care organization willing to purchase her practice and ensure continuity of care for her patients. "Is the independent doctor disappearing?" U.S. News & World Report asked earlier this summer. The answer is: yes—and to a significant extent, that's a result of deliberate policy.

Your doctors didn't jump out of business; they were pushed. And they were pushed by people way too convinced of their qualifications to redesign the world around them.

Just 33 percent of physicians "identify as independent practice owners or partners," the Physicians Foundation reported in its last last survey, conducted in 2016. That's down from 48.5 percent in 2012.

But while a majority of doctors now opt to work as employees, "most physicians, even many who are themselves employed by hospitals, do not believe hospital employment of physicians is a positive trend," the foundation reported. So, why are doctors going to work for large organizations when they seem so resistant to the idea?

Factors including "government insurance mandates and changes to health insurance design to new reporting requirements, escalating costs and the rise of urgent care clinics" feature in the U.S. News article, which also notes that "Unique for physicians are certain requirements surrounding electronic health records and new reporting requirements regarding patient visits as part of the Affordable Care Act."

"The factor cited most frequently by physicians as being least satisfying is 'regulatory/paperwork burdens' followed by 'erosion of clinical autonomy,'" the Physicians Foundation survey notes. "Medicare compliance rules and regulations alone running into the tens of thousands of pages" in addition to the miles of red tape contained in the Affordable Care Act.

more...


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Posted: Apr 1, 2017 - 5:20am

Here is why a Libertarian supports single payer healthcare, it is not about ideology for me. I actually think that health care cost are so out of control, insurance premiums and deductibles so high and the insurance coverage is so poor that financially we have nothing to lose, the added taxes could not possibly supersede the present cost and poor coverage that the majority of us presently suffer. In addition the public sentiment for government control as opposed to pure free market is so overwhelming that that full free market healthcare is highly unlikely to get the support anytime in the near future and demographic forecast does not indicate this is going to change. The only drawback and it is a huge one, is that our healthcare will be run in a similar fashion as the other paragons of customer service, the IRS, DMV, Veterans Administration and so forth, kwal-a-dee. Perhaps it will force us to rethink what it means to be healthy and how the present system of poisoning with chemicals and fake food with little or no nutrients and then treating the illness caused by this, making bank for the pharmaceutical and health care industries is a scam of the highest proportions and will take more stock in eating real, nutritious non processed food and avoiding man made drugs at all cost along with regular exercise avoiding the sickness in first place. Do not be fooled that this will be a panacea for the poor, quite the contrary even with single pay healthcare, the poor will get their care, but as aforementioned, the care will be of poor quality, long wait times, uncaring staff etc. and the poor also cannot afford to eat properly and take care of themselves so the scam will continue to be in full force for them sadly. All in all though it is probably the best option out of no good options. Bottom line, humanity has made their bed through our "cleverness" of technology and industrialization and I do not believe we will be clever enough to survive.

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Posted: Mar 31, 2017 - 2:05pm

GOP Lawmakers Now Admit Years of Obamacare Repeal Votes Were a Sham

It is hard to overestimate the role of the Affordable Care Act in the Republican resurgence.

Over the last seven years, the GOP has won successive elections by highlighting problems with Obamacare, airing more than $235 million in negative ads slamming the law, and staging more than 50 high-profile repeal votes. In 2016 every major Republican presidential candidate, including Donald Trump, campaigned on a pledge to quickly get rid of it.

Now in total control of Congress and the White House, some GOP legislators are saying that the political assault on Obamacare was an exercise in cynical politics, and that an outright repeal was never on the table. (...)


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Posted: Mar 29, 2017 - 9:49pm

THIS is the swamp that needs to be drained. The USA is turning into a series of opaque rip-offs of the average citizen.  

Those Indecipherable Medical Bills? They’re One Reason Health Care Costs So Much.

...What’s less understood is the extent to which our current medical-billing system itself is responsible for the high prices patients are charged. There are, of course, many factors that have led to the United States’ record-breaking $3 trillion health care bill: runaway drug prices, excessive testing and sky-high charges for even the most basic medical interventions. But all of those individual price increases have been enabled — indeed, aided and abetted — by the complex system of billing and coding that underlies bills like those sent to (patient Wanda) Wickizer. That system, with its lines of alphanumeric codes and arcane medical abbreviations, has given birth to a gigantic new industry of consultants, armies of back-room experts whom medical providers and insurance companies deploy against each other in an endless war over which medical procedures were undertaken and how much to pay for them. Caught in the crossfire are Americans like Wanda Wickizer, left with huge bills and indecipherable explanations in languages they cannot possibly understand. 
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Posted: Mar 29, 2017 - 6:10am

Kansas moves to expand Medicaid as GOP legislatures face pressure after ‘Trumpcare’ failure
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Posted: Mar 27, 2017 - 1:04am

 kurtster wrote:
this was mentioned:


socializing the burden of addiction, obesity, and other unhealthy behaviors. 

it's past time to for politicians on both sides to quit playing politics with the health of the citizens
 
Let's look at that in particular.  The burden of unhealthy behaviours.

I think that we can all agree that there are legal unhealthy behaviours.  Smoking is one and consuming soda pop is another.

There is a majority held argument that those who partake should pay more for their health related expenses in at least the form of higher premiums for their HC insurance.  Its hard to argue against that at any honest level.

But ... the ACA is a tax and nothing more.  The SCOTUS said so.  Its not an insurance plan.  It only allows certain types of health insurance plans to be sold.  It collects taxes from certain unrelated things and transfers that money to subsidize participants in these plans.  It also mandates that everyone must have certain types of coverage regardless of need so that the cost is spread out.  

So why must smokers pay more ?  When all the taxes on cigarettes is added up ( I did the math 5 years ago), its at least $100 billion per year.  So why in the hell should smokers pay anything for their health care let alone more ?  Smokers are being taxed twice.  Now we're applying this to soda pop ala NYC and Philly.  Just where is all this money going to go ?  

Its all about money and little more now (duh).  Its making the noble act of caring for the human condition and turning it into something to exploit for financial gain and make work for unnecessary administrators (cough, bureaucrats) with the power of life and death in their hands. 

Its a way of thinking that has to be addressed in order to get our healthcare system's ducks in a row.  It was written below that we need to establish actual costs of medical goods and services and I couldn't agree more.  How big is this pie ?  $600 billion per year for a round number ?  So what percent of that is the $100 billion per year that cigarette smokers pay per year in taxes ?  Want to talk about the burden of unhealthy behaviours, then let's start talking about them seriously and honestly and determine just who is the real burden and why.

Point being that that $100 billion smokers pay in taxes, not one dime goes to pay towards the healthcare of the smokers.  Smokers are paying for everyone else's bad behaviour and getting nothing in return.  Its a shell game of bullshit.  And the game is only going to get bigger unless the way we tax ourselves is over hauled and repurposed.

ymmv ...

 
or we make tobacco illegal and stop collecting all that tax and level the playing field  ...

 
"There is a majority held argument that those who partake should pay more for their health related expenses in at least the form of higher premiums for their HC insurance.  Its hard to argue against that at any honest level."

Who holds this majority argument? This is not how Obamacare works. Before the ACA, a policy holder's ill health would drive up his/her premium—often leading to disaster when the premium became unaffordable and that person's health spiraled downwards. Insurance companies wouldn't  always kick a person off his insurance—they'd just jack up his rates until he quit paying. 

I agree that it some makes sense to charge policyholders more if they smoke, drink a lot, are overweight or otherwise contribute to long-term health problems. I think that the ACA was trying to reduce the insurance industry's abuse of pre-existing conditions. Consider that the industry's past behavior, btw, penalized some policy holders whose bad habits did not show up in the form of poor health: if you smoked but were healthy, you still had to pay a higher premium. Nowadays, individuals pay more in the form of co-pays and deductibles, not higher premiums, when ill health actually does show up. 
"So why must smokers pay more ?" 

An insurance premium covers health costs of the policyholder. (Again, ACA-based policies don't require that smokers pay bigger premiums.) Taxes on tobacco do not cover the health costs of a policyholder: they try to pay for the costs caused by smoking that the smoker otherwise wouldn't pay (see the concept of "negative externality"). 

 
Second-  and third-hand smoke affect the health of non-smokers. Federal, state and local governments make tobacco products expensive so as to reduce rates of cancer, emphysema, COPD, etc. that burden society and healthcare systems. They're also trying to raise tax revenue from a group whose addictions make their demand pretty inelastic (i.e. unresponsive) to the price of tobacco. I think there may also may an element of moralizing behind tobacco taxes. 

You're right that tobacco tax revenue doesn't help smokers quit, at least in MA:  http://boston.cbslocal.com/2010/10/01/curious-where-cigarette-tax-money-goes/

"Its all about money and little more now (duh).  Its making the noble act of caring for the human condition and turning it into something to exploit for financial gain and make work for unnecessary administrators (cough, bureaucrats) with the power of life and death in their hands." 
You could say the same thing about the whole current healthcare system. It's not just the insurance companies. One reason we don't have a lot of generalists as primary care providers is that doctors can make much more money by specializing in radiology, dermatology, etc.
kurtster, I think you and I might agree that a person's healthcare costs should reasonably adjust in accordance with that policyholder's controllable behavior. I lean towards co-pays and deductibles because a policyholder pays more when the consequences of his bad behavior show up as illness. A BETTER APPROACH might be to lower a premium amount for good behavior—going to the gym, quitting smoking, drinking less, eating more fruits and veggies, etc. Good behavior can be hard for insurance firms to monitor, but this approach has been tried experimentally in a few areas with real success. 
kurtster

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Posted: Mar 26, 2017 - 9:40am

this was mentioned:


socializing the burden of addiction, obesity, and other unhealthy behaviors. 

it's past time to for politicians on both sides to quit playing politics with the health of the citizens
 
Let's look at that in particular.  The burden of unhealthy behaviours.

I think that we can all agree that there are legal unhealthy behaviours.  Smoking is one and consuming soda pop is another.

There is a majority held argument that those who partake should pay more for their health related expenses in at least the form of higher premiums for their HC insurance.  Its hard to argue against that at any honest level.

But ... the ACA is a tax and nothing more.  The SCOTUS said so.  Its not an insurance plan.  It only allows certain types of health insurance plans to be sold.  It collects taxes from certain unrelated things and transfers that money to subsidize participants in these plans.  It also mandates that everyone must have certain types of coverage regardless of need so that the cost is spread out.  

So why must smokers pay more ?  When all the taxes on cigarettes is added up ( I did the math 5 years ago), its at least $100 billion per year.  So why in the hell should smokers pay anything for their health care let alone more ?  Smokers are being taxed twice.  Now we're applying this to soda pop ala NYC and Philly.  Just where is all this money going to go ?  

Its all about money and little more now (duh).  Its making the noble act of caring for the human condition and turning it into something to exploit for financial gain and make work for unnecessary administrators (cough, bureaucrats) with the power of life and death in their hands. 

Its a way of thinking that has to be addressed in order to get our healthcare system's ducks in a row.  It was written below that we need to establish actual costs of medical goods and services and I couldn't agree more.  How big is this pie ?  $600 billion per year for a round number ?  So what percent of that is the $100 billion per year that cigarette smokers pay per year in taxes ?  Want to talk about the burden of unhealthy behaviours, then let's start talking about them seriously and honestly and determine just who is the real burden and why.

Point being that that $100 billion smokers pay in taxes, not one dime goes to pay towards the healthcare of the smokers.  Smokers are paying for everyone else's bad behaviour and getting nothing in return.  Its a shell game of bullshit.  And the game is only going to get bigger unless the way we tax ourselves is over hauled and repurposed.

ymmv ...

 
or we make tobacco illegal and stop collecting all that tax and level the playing field  ...


miamizsun

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Posted: Mar 26, 2017 - 9:22am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

I'm starting to think we have actually outgrown this whole party political thing. In a world of free access to an infinite flow of information and a voting base of increasingly better educated voters (ok, moot point), it gets increasingly hard to vote along party lines. They are ALL bad as all of them are too sclerotic and two dimensional. Why don't we use the internet now to really make our government democratic. It would be easy to set up electronic referendums. Even if these were not binding, it would at least give the people more voice and the government a better guideline on policy. You could have in built safeguards to prevent a wave of hysteria sweeping along ill-chosen policies on a whim or driven by some short-lived internet meme. But it would help to get rid of party politics and all the frikking lobbying that goes with them. It would also make governments more accountable instead of these 4-year quasi-dictatorships. Might also make the voting base a bit more interested in learning something about the issues as well. 

 

yep (and all apologies for my therapeutic denunciation of political manipulation) 

to stop corruption or to reel in corrupt framework we might try something that works well in reality

we could try contractual obligations (i sign contracts daily)

politics clearly isn't well defined and we see the exploitation running rampant

eventually make as much as possible defined where we'll at least have a shot at accountability


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Posted: Mar 26, 2017 - 9:06am

 miamizsun wrote:


this brings up a great point

to the board

rant/on

if we look at the evidence, it's abundantly clear that political leadership doesn't know what they're doing

not only on this subject but many others

just look at what their system has incentivized

massive debt, deficits, unfunded liabilities and violence/war that is never ending

how could intelligent people even think of agreeing or settling for this nuttery?

i mean who thinks this is a good idea or sees wisdom in this?

did they learn this at home?

has the schooling system has churned out compliant statist fodder for decades and decades?

if the masses (especially politicians) continue to make decisions based on feelings instead of logic and reason, we'll continue this decline

services and products become subjected to political force and become (or framed as) rights to justify coercion

we have a system that rewards political corruption and is backed by authoritarian violence

there's no mechanism that's effective to allow for disagreement (to say no to bad ideas)

it means absolutely nothing to be "allowed" to disagree with bad ideas (completely immoral and unethical) and then be forced to pay for it/them

then there's the idiocy of blaming insurance companies, medical equipment/supply companies, doctors and other medical professionals for the current situation

doing this is a flashing neon sign that screams i don't know what i'm talking about

simply put we only elect representatives (it is something we can somewhat control)

how about not selling us out to special interests?

we're taught that it is allowable to have a form of political corruption/lobbying baked into the cake and that we can let them leverage it to get what we want

how does this make any sense?

do we want an increase in the supply of high quality affordable products and services in the health care industry?

how did we achieve this in other areas/markets?

what are the obstructions?

how do we solve these challenges?

rant/off


 
I'm starting to think we have actually outgrown this whole party political thing. In a world of free access to an infinite flow of information and a voting base of increasingly better educated voters (ok, moot point), it gets increasingly hard to vote along party lines. They are ALL bad as all of them are too sclerotic and two dimensional. Why don't we use the internet now to really make our government democratic. It would be easy to set up electronic referendums. Even if these were not binding, it would at least give the people more voice and the government a better guideline on policy. You could have in built safeguards to prevent a wave of hysteria sweeping along ill-chosen policies on a whim or driven by some short-lived internet meme. But it would help to get rid of party politics and all the frikking lobbying that goes with them. It would also make governments more accountable instead of these 4-year quasi-dictatorships. Might also make the voting base a bit more interested in learning something about the issues as well. 
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Posted: Mar 26, 2017 - 8:45am

 Steely_D wrote:

See, I think that's the problem with democracy. Lotsa folks tried to influence the outcome without being well educated on the topic.
In a situation like this, you need a combination of people who can look at it from many sides: economists, sociologists, medical experts - and they could do a fine job of creating some version of compromise that's best.

Instead, you get politicians, who were elected because of their party affiliation or their race or their gender or their mailing address.
If we were smarter, we'd get the most well educated or most well prepared to work on this incredibly tough problem. But, the GOP and FOX did a fine job of making people contemptible of the "elites." 

 

this brings up a great point

to the board

rant/on

if we look at the evidence, it's abundantly clear that political leadership doesn't know what they're doing

not only on this subject but many others

just look at what their system has incentivized

massive debt, deficits, unfunded liabilities and violence/war that is never ending

how could intelligent people even think of agreeing or settling for this nuttery?

i mean who thinks this is a good idea or sees wisdom in this?

did they learn this at home?

has the schooling system has churned out compliant statist fodder for decades and decades?

if the masses (especially politicians) continue to make decisions based on feelings instead of logic and reason, we'll continue this decline

services and products become subjected to political force and become (or framed as) rights to justify coercion

we have a system that rewards political corruption and is backed by authoritarian violence

there's no mechanism that's effective to allow for disagreement (to say no to bad ideas)

it means absolutely nothing to be "allowed" to disagree with bad ideas (completely immoral and unethical) and then be forced to pay for it/them

then there's the idiocy of blaming insurance companies, medical equipment/supply companies, doctors and other medical professionals for the current situation

doing this is a flashing neon sign that screams i don't know what i'm talking about

simply put we only elect representatives (it is something we can somewhat control)

how about not selling us out to special interests?

we're taught that it is allowable to have a form of political corruption/lobbying baked into the cake and that we can let them leverage it to get what we want

how does this make any sense?

do we want an increase in the supply of high quality affordable products and services in the health care industry?

how did we achieve this in other areas/markets?

what are the obstructions?

how do we solve these challenges?

rant/off



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Posted: Mar 26, 2017 - 12:40am

 Steely_D wrote:

See, I think that's the problem with democracy. Lotsa folks tried to influence the outcome without being well educated on the topic.
In a situation like this, you need a combination of people who can look at it from many sides: economists, sociologists, medical experts - and they could do a fine job of creating some version of compromise that's best.

Instead, you get politicians, who were elected because of their party affiliation or their race or their gender or their mailing address.
If we were smarter, we'd get the most well educated or most well prepared to work on this incredibly tough problem. But, the GOP and FOX did a fine job of making people contemptible of the "elites." 

 
I agree. Governments like the population stupid and uninformed so they can spit out really bad reality programs over and over at them.  They scare them into submission, rape all the money they earn at the measly little jobs, dangling benefits like "healthcare" in front of them and will keep doing so unless we rise up as a whole and say ENOUGH!


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Posted: Mar 25, 2017 - 6:20am

The Republican Waterloo

- David Frum

For the serious-minded on either side of the debate, worth a thoughtful read.

Excerpt:

What happens now? ....

What happens now is that—a few bitter-enders aside—Republican politicians, especially in the states, begin the slow and belated process of entering the next era of health-care politics. Contrary to Paul Ryan’s bleak vision of a political “tipping point” after which the nation declines into “dependency and passivity,” Americans will continue to find plenty to argue about—and possibly more than ever.

How generous should health coverage be? What should be done to control costs? Who should pay, and on what terms? To what extent should citizens be free to impose the cost of their unhealthy choices upon others? Conservative-minded people will converge on one set of intuitions; progressives on another. It’s possible to imagine a Republican health-care politics that rejects the ultra-redistributionary approach of the ACA and instead argues that since all benefit from health coverage, all must contribute to its costs via some kind of broad-based tax. It’s possible to imagine a Republican health-care politics that emphasizes cost control over benefit provision. It’s possible to imagine a Republican health-care politics that incentivizes providers and insurers to achieve better outcomes at lower prices. It’s possible to imagine a Republican health-care politics that resists socializing the burden of addiction, obesity, and other unhealthy behaviors. It’s possible to imagine a Republican Party that cares about the details of health policy and is not satisfied with poorly informed hand waves toward outworn party shibboleths. It won’t happen soon, perhaps—but the sooner the better.

Conservatives have a crucial role to play in shaping the future American health-care system to enhance and support enterprise, innovation, individual responsibility—to resist open-ended spending, state planning, and the risk that social insurance will penalize effort and success. It’s past time to accept reality, quit promising the impossible, and do the work that a democracy that seeks both equity and efficiency should expect from its more conservative-minded thinkers and politicians.

Whatever else the 2016 election has done, it has emancipated Republicans from one of their own worst self-inflicted blind spots. Health care may not be a human right, but the lack of universal health coverage in a wealthy democracy is a severe, unjustifiable, and unnecessary human wrong. 
 
In other words....it's past time to for politicians on both sides to quit playing politics with the health of the citizens of the greatest and wealthiest country in the history of mankind, roll up their sleeves, work together, and do the hard work of shaping national health care policy that ensures health care that is truly comprehensive and affordable for all of its citizens, the companies that provide heath care for their employees, and our state and national economies. The ACA was never perfect. It's seven years past time for our elected officials to work together to make it more nearly so.
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Posted: Mar 25, 2017 - 4:59am

 kcar wrote:

What Hospitals Waste

Experts say the United States might be squandering a quarter of the money spent on health care. That’s an estimated $765 billion a year...The annual waste, the report estimated, could have paid for the insurance coverage of 150 million American workers — both the employer and employee contributions.

As the article notes, $765 billion is more than the Dept. of Defense budget. 

 
Holy crap!
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Posted: Mar 25, 2017 - 12:02am

 kurtster wrote:

I pretty much agree with your conclusion.  Everyone has laid their cards on the table and names were taken.  If this doesn't bring the two sides together, nothing will.  Both sides must participate to get this done properly.

 
Your thinking is reasonable, but:

1. The two sides don't seem to want the same thing. The Democrats generally want to fix and improve Obamacare, even if that means added costs. The Republicans want to limit the size and costs of federal programs, even if that means the breadth and depth of healthcare coverage shrink.  

2. Freedom Caucus types seem quite willing to disrupt government power, even if it's held by their own party.

At some point, both parties should press hard for an alliance between individuals and government bodies, an alliance that will bargain with hospitals and insurance companies over costs, prices and waste.

Obamacare has tried to marshal all individuals into the healthcare system to spread the risk and expense of major healthcare. That was the first step.  

The next steps are to determine real costs that healthcare providers and insurers face and then limit prices paid by patients and government programs to a reasonable percentage on top of those costs. We can lower prices through competition between providers, but that doesn't always apply in healthcare. We can also limit prices by collectively bargaining with providers and insurers.

We can also force providers to stop wasting so much.

Another RPer—haresfur? ScottNN? I can't remember—posted the link to this propublica.com article. It's mind-boggling how much hospitals and other groups throw away. It's also a good source of saving money and getting prices paid by patients down. This may be where we can really bend the cost curve, something Obamacare hasn't really done AFAICS. 


What Hospitals Waste



Experts say the United States might be squandering a quarter of the money spent on health care. That’s an estimated $765 billion a year...The annual waste, the report estimated, could have paid for the insurance coverage of 150 million American workers — both the employer and employee contributions.

As the article notes, $765 billion is more than the Dept. of Defense budget. 


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Posted: Mar 24, 2017 - 11:38pm

 pigtail wrote:

Power to the people!{#War}

 
See, I think that's the problem with democracy. Lotsa folks tried to influence the outcome without being well educated on the topic.
In a situation like this, you need a combination of people who can look at it from many sides: economists, sociologists, medical experts - and they could do a fine job of creating some version of compromise that's best.

Instead, you get politicians, who were elected because of their party affiliation or their race or their gender or their mailing address.
If we were smarter, we'd get the most well educated or most well prepared to work on this incredibly tough problem. But, the GOP and FOX did a fine job of making people contemptible of the "elites." 
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Posted: Mar 24, 2017 - 10:08pm

 Skydog wrote:


 
Power to the people!{#War}
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Posted: Mar 24, 2017 - 7:18pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

 Why would they actually want to get rid of the ACA? It's been the GOP candidates' talisman for a decade.

 
As long as they can point OVER THERE to the thing that's GONNA EXPLODE! then it's the inevitable Armageddon that so many religions tell you is just around the corner, and you're only safe if you follow their doctrine.
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Posted: Mar 24, 2017 - 7:16pm

 kurtster wrote:

I pretty much agree with your conclusion.  Everyone has laid their cards on the table and names were taken.  If this doesn't bring the two sides together, nothing will.  Both sides must participate to get this done properly.

 
It'll be a like two overlapping circles, like a Venn diagram. Inside the middle are the folks from the left and right that can be grownups, and on the far left and far right are the extremists. They will be shunned as folks who prevent progress. Hippies and Hawks.
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