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Posted: Dec 7, 2019 - 11:42am

 Red_Dragon wrote:
Oh look, an actual troll.
 

just barely

clearly second or third string on the junior varsity squad
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Posted: Dec 7, 2019 - 7:52am



 KarmaKarma wrote:







No.  But you're an actual fool.  Perhaps you'll wake up from that one day, but I'm not counting on it.


Greta Thunberg is a child, not a scientist and repeats propaganda she’s been fed and gets 24/7 news coverage. 

On the other hand, we have Dr. Judith Curry, chair of the school of earth and atmosphere sciences, Georgia institute of Technology, 2001 to 2013, member of the National research councils climate research committee, has published over 140 scientific papers and books on climate and says its all a hoax. And she get’s no media coverage.

Unbelievable!

The fool is you.  And the leftist media has fooled you.  Or maybe you really didn't need fooling.

 

Oh look, an actual troll.
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Posted: Dec 6, 2019 - 11:56pm



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 buddy wrote:

Greta Thunberg Joins Protest At Site Of UN Climate Summit

 
"This week, world leaders are convening in Madrid for the UN’s COP25 summit, which runs through Dec. 13. The countries are working toward bolstering their individual commitments to reduce carbon emissions, as set by the historic 2015 Paris agreement to combat the climate crisis.
No officials from the administration of President Donald Trump — who last month formally began withdrawing the United States from the Paris agreement — are expected to attend.

Earlier this week, a delegation of congressional lawmakers, all Democrats, attended the summit and attempted to affirm the United States’ commitment to climate action, despite Trump’s actions."

"Thunberg also called on members of the media to not just focus on her. 

“I’m just activist, a climate activist,” she said. “A small part of a very big movement. And, yes, we need more climate activists.”

 

She is an actual hero.






No.  But you're an actual fool.  Perhaps you'll wake up from that one day, but I'm not counting on it.


Greta Thunberg is a child, not a scientist and repeats propaganda she’s been fed and gets 24/7 news coverage. 

On the other hand, we have Dr. Judith Curry, chair of the school of earth and atmosphere sciences, Georgia institute of Technology, 2001 to 2013, member of the National research councils climate research committee, has published over 140 scientific papers and books on climate and says its all a hoax. And she get’s no media coverage.

Unbelievable!

The fool is you.  And the leftist media has fooled you.  Or maybe you really didn't need fooling.

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Posted: Dec 6, 2019 - 3:07pm



 buddy wrote:

Greta Thunberg Joins Protest At Site Of UN Climate Summit

 
"This week, world leaders are convening in Madrid for the UN’s COP25 summit, which runs through Dec. 13. The countries are working toward bolstering their individual commitments to reduce carbon emissions, as set by the historic 2015 Paris agreement to combat the climate crisis.
No officials from the administration of President Donald Trump — who last month formally began withdrawing the United States from the Paris agreement — are expected to attend.

Earlier this week, a delegation of congressional lawmakers, all Democrats, attended the summit and attempted to affirm the United States’ commitment to climate action, despite Trump’s actions."

"Thunberg also called on members of the media to not just focus on her. 

“I’m just activist, a climate activist,” she said. “A small part of a very big movement. And, yes, we need more climate activists.”

 

She is an actual hero.
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Posted: Dec 6, 2019 - 1:26pm

Greta Thunberg Joins Protest At Site Of UN Climate Summit

 
"This week, world leaders are convening in Madrid for the UN’s COP25 summit, which runs through Dec. 13. The countries are working toward bolstering their individual commitments to reduce carbon emissions, as set by the historic 2015 Paris agreement to combat the climate crisis.

No officials from the administration of President Donald Trump — who last month formally began withdrawing the United States from the Paris agreement — are expected to attend.

Earlier this week, a delegation of congressional lawmakers, all Democrats, attended the summit and attempted to affirm the United States’ commitment to climate action, despite Trump’s actions."

"Thunberg also called on members of the media to not just focus on her. 

“I’m just activist, a climate activist,” she said. “A small part of a very big movement. And, yes, we need more climate activists.”

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Posted: Dec 5, 2019 - 1:43pm

Climate change doubters have a favorite target: climate models. They claim that computer simulations conducted decades ago didn’t accurately predict current warming, so the public should be wary of the predictive power of newer models. Now, the most sweeping evaluation of these older models—some half a century old—shows most of them were indeed accurate.

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Posted: Nov 23, 2019 - 3:20pm

Coal Knew, Too
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Posted: Nov 22, 2019 - 8:19pm



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 westslope wrote:
The USA followed by Canada boasts the lowest excise taxes on polluting fossil fuel products among the rich OECD countries.

In the current neo-liberal fantasy climate  - or is it climate fantasy? - (fuel) tax hikes are political suicide. And as a fan of "certain people have things in common", here's another.  

 
Yes, I am well aware of the popular resistance to higher Green/excise/Pigouvian taxes on polluting and deadly fossil fuels.  Despite the best attempts of western journalists and pundits to spin the so-called Arab Spring into something glorious and righteous it was essentially a reaction to the elimination of public subsidies on food and fuel that NEVER should have been introduced in the first place.   The negative fall-out from fossil fuel use is likely much greater in poor developing than it is in rich countries.   

Elites have done a poor job of selling green taxes to the public.

In passing, fuel is income elastic.  As a general rule, the more income you have the more fuel you consume.   That said, it is very popular in many democracies to transfer wealth to the materially comfortable and rich.  

As for neo-liberal, been searching for myself all my life and I am glad somebody else has found me — the neo-liberal — but I don't even know what that is.    Are the Nordic socialists neo-liberals?  

I do know that higher fuel taxes will spur the use of alternative energy sources.  In many urban areas, a bicycle would be the ecologically efficient choice and naturally the economically efficient choice.  Health outcomes and worker productivity would benefit.   Both climate and deadly small particulate emissions would decline.





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Posted: Nov 22, 2019 - 1:17pm

Fossil fuel production on track for double the safe climate limit
Most action to tackle the climate crisis involves reducing emissions, but Inger Andersen, head of the UN Environment Programme, said a focus on fossil fuel production was long overdue. Most of the action pledges made by countries under the Paris deal do not even mention changes to production.

The UK is a “striking” example of this mismatch, said Cleo Verkuijl, at the SEI’s centre in Oxford, UK. It was the first major economy to commit to net zero emissions by 2050, she said, but also subsidises fossil fuel production at home and abroad and intends to extract “every drop of oil and gas” from its North Sea fields. In recent years, the UK oil and gas industry has received £176m more annually in government support than it paid in taxes, the report said.

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Posted: Nov 21, 2019 - 6:41pm

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The USA followed by Canada boasts the lowest excise taxes on polluting fossil fuel products among the rich OECD countries.

In the current neo-liberal fantasy climate  - or is it climate fantasy? - (fuel) tax hikes are political suicide. And as a fan of "certain people have things in common", here's another.  
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Posted: Nov 21, 2019 - 5:42pm



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 westslope wrote:
She is a fan of Naomi Klein and the American cheap energy entitlement?   That bodes well.   I see a lot of common ground with the conservative right wing.

I don't see Oreskes referring to (or being "a fan of") either...

.......
 
Right, it is Tom who admires Naomi Klein.   Sorry, but her name is a red flag for me.

As for what they have in common, these cool 'n groovy virtue-signalling lefties and nasty reactionary conservatives?

The US Cheap Energy Entitlement and de facto support for the US obesity policy

The USA followed by Canada boasts the lowest excise taxes on polluting fossil fuel products among the rich OECD countries.    

The cool n' groovy liberals and lefties and progressives NEVER talk about raising excise taxes on gasoline or diesel.  Why should pure people of God use LESS fossil fuels?

  But demonize corporations?  Naturally.   Pure EVIL!   Just like the conservative rap on why a War on Drugs was necessary.   

Ya know why America is the most drug addled country on the face of the earth?     EVIL drug pushers and fascist-like corporations.  Americans are not to blame for the opioid crisis.  No sir!  It is the devil that walks among these greedy, profit-hungry corporations.  

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Posted: Nov 20, 2019 - 4:05pm

Australia is really getting hit hard with the wildfires - 2.5 million acres scorched and lots of precious habitat gone. Koala bears are really in trouble. You just don't see much of what's going on around the world on the news. It's ramping up fast all around us and the average joseph doesn't really get much info on it. Now we talk about going into space to inhabit another planet. How about not trashing this one first? You know? I mean, Come on!
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Posted: Nov 20, 2019 - 12:57pm

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She is a fan of Naomi Klein and the American cheap energy entitlement?   That bodes well.   I see a lot of common ground with the conservative right wing.

I don't see Oreskes referring to (or being "a fan of") either...

As for "common ground with the conservative right wing":
When it came to industry disinformation, the role of third-party allies was on full display at the House Committee on Oversight hearings on climate change in late October. As their sole witness, the Republicans on that committee invited Mandy Gunasekera, the founder and president of Energy45, a group whose purpose, in its own words, is to “support the Trump energy agenda.”

Energy45 is part of a group known, bluntly enough, as the CO2 Coalition and is a perfect example of what I’ve long thought of as zombie denialism in which older players spouting industry arguments suddenly reappear in new forms. In this case, in the 1990s and early 2000s, the George C. Marshall Institute was a leader in climate-change disinformation. From 1974-1999, its director, William O’Keefe, had also been the executive vice president and later CEO of the American Petroleum Institute. The Marshall Institute itself closed in 2015, only to re-emerge a few years later as the CO2 Coalition.

The comments of Republican committee members offer a sense of just how deeply the climate-change disinformation campaign is now lodged in the heart of the Trump administration and congressional Republicans as 2019 draws to an end and the planet visibly heats. Consider just six of their “facts”: (...)

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Posted: Nov 20, 2019 - 12:57pm



 westslope wrote:


 Proclivities wrote:


 westslope wrote:
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Incidentally, roughly 15% of adults in North America still smoke tobacco.  Despite the fact that doctors have been raising alarms since at least the early 1950s.  Despite the glaring, horrendous epidemiology of tobacco use.


 
True, but about 40-38% of Greeks, Serbians, Jordanians, Indonesians, Russians, Bosnians, and Chileans - and about 30% of Germans - regularly smoke cigarettes (Kiribati and Nauru have the highest rates for some reason).  The US smoking rate has steadily been decreasing for the last ten years or so, still it's obviously a substantial number.  I'm not sure if the smoke itself has much of an impact on climate change though the cultivation and production must have some environmental impact.

 
Tobacco is nasty, deadly, destructive drug but I do not believe anybody is finger-pointing tobacco for climate change.

My point with bringing up tobacco is two-fold. 

1.  People are reluctant and slow to pay attention to health professionals (read experts) and scientists. 

2.  Smoking directly affects personal health outcomes and could hurt the members of one's own immediate family.  If people are reluctant to change for their own self-interest, imagine how reluctant to change they are for the interests of others or the 'collectivity'.  

 


Okay, I see your reasoning, especially how people will tend to ignore scientific evidence and resist changing their habits.  Still, I imagine that sometimes there could be tendencies for people act for the "collective good" even if they are otherwise self-destructive - it may be a small number though - not sure how such a study could be carried out with a substantial number of subjects..


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Posted: Nov 20, 2019 - 12:48pm



 Proclivities wrote:


 westslope wrote:
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Incidentally, roughly 15% of adults in North America still smoke tobacco.  Despite the fact that doctors have been raising alarms since at least the early 1950s.  Despite the glaring, horrendous epidemiology of tobacco use.


 
True, but about 40-38% of Greeks, Serbians, Jordanians, Indonesians, Russians, Bosnians, and Chileans - and about 30% of Germans - regularly smoke cigarettes (Kiribati and Nauru have the highest rates for some reason).  The US smoking rate has steadily been decreasing for the last ten years or so, still it's obviously a substantial number.  I'm not sure if the smoke itself has much of an impact on climate change though the cultivation and production must have some environmental impact.

 
Tobacco is nasty, deadly, destructive drug but I do not believe anybody is finger-pointing tobacco for climate change.

My point with bringing up tobacco is two-fold. 

1.  People are reluctant and slow to pay attention to health professionals (read experts) and scientists. 

2.  Smoking directly affects personal health outcomes and could hurt the members of one's own immediate family.  If people are reluctant to change for their own self-interest, imagine how reluctant to change they are for the interests of others or the 'collectivity'.  

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Posted: Nov 20, 2019 - 12:41pm



 westslope wrote:


 R_P wrote:
Naomi Oreskes, Why Science Failed to Stop Climate Change
It’s a tale for all time. What might be the greatest scam in history or, at least, the one that threatens to take history down with it. Think of it as the climate-change scam that beat science, big time.

Scientists have been seriously investigating the subject of human-made climate change since the late 1950s and political leaders have been discussing it for nearly as long. In 1961, Alvin Weinberg, the director of the Oak Ridge National Laboratory, called carbon dioxide one of the “big problems” of the world “on whose solution the entire future of the human race depends.” Fast-forward nearly 30 years and, in 1992, President George H.W. Bush signed the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC), promising “concrete action to protect the planet.” (...)

 
She is a fan of Naomi Klein and the American cheap energy entitlement?   That bodes well.   I see a lot of common ground with the conservative right wing.

Incidentally, roughly 15% of adults in North America still smoke tobacco.  Despite the fact that doctors have been raising alarms since at least the early 1950s.  Despite the glaring, horrendous epidemiology of tobacco use.


 
True, but from 40-38% of Greeks, Serbians, Jordanians, Indonesians, Russians, Bosnians, and Chileans - and about 30% of Germans - regularly smoke cigarettes (Kiribati and Nauru have the highest rates for some reason).  The US smoking rate has steadily been decreasing for the last ten years or so, still it's obviously a substantial number.  I'm not how much of an impact the smoke itself has on climate change though the cultivation and production must have some environmental impact.

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Posted: Nov 20, 2019 - 12:17pm



 R_P wrote:
Naomi Oreskes, Why Science Failed to Stop Climate Change
It’s a tale for all time. What might be the greatest scam in history or, at least, the one that threatens to take history down with it. Think of it as the climate-change scam that beat science, big time.

Scientists have been seriously investigating the subject of human-made climate change since the late 1950s and political leaders have been discussing it for nearly as long. In 1961, Alvin Weinberg, the director of the Oak Ridge National Laboratory, called carbon dioxide one of the “big problems” of the world “on whose solution the entire future of the human race depends.” Fast-forward nearly 30 years and, in 1992, President George H.W. Bush signed the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC), promising “concrete action to protect the planet.” (...)

 
She is a fan of Naomi Klein and the American cheap energy entitlement?   That bodes well.   I see a lot of common ground with the conservative right wing.

Incidentally, roughly 15% of adults in North America still smoke tobacco.  Despite the fact that doctors have been raising alarms since at least the early 1950s.  Despite the glaring, horrendous epidemiology of tobacco use.

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Posted: Nov 20, 2019 - 11:55am

Naomi Oreskes, Why Science Failed to Stop Climate Change
It’s a tale for all time. What might be the greatest scam in history or, at least, the one that threatens to take history down with it. Think of it as the climate-change scam that beat science, big time.

Scientists have been seriously investigating the subject of human-made climate change since the late 1950s and political leaders have been discussing it for nearly as long. In 1961, Alvin Weinberg, the director of the Oak Ridge National Laboratory, called carbon dioxide one of the “big problems” of the world “on whose solution the entire future of the human race depends.” Fast-forward nearly 30 years and, in 1992, President George H.W. Bush signed the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC), promising “concrete action to protect the planet.” (...)

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Posted: Nov 15, 2019 - 12:32pm

Venice council flooded moments after rejecting climate crisis plan
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