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Posted: Jun 11, 2020 - 9:38am

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If you can't figure out where libertarians belong on your map it's because you map needs more dimensions.
 
Yes, they're so unfathomable and mysterious. Impossible to know where they stand. Who they like/dislike? Even their club magazine provides no clues.

Whatever the spectrum may look like, the bubbles will still be there too.
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Posted: Jun 11, 2020 - 7:40am

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Everyone on the political spectrum, in a climate of polarization, has their bubbles consisting of preferred (or trusted) news sources. And some bubbles are (way) smaller than others...

I don't think the NYT is particularly problematic or worrisome in that context. I can certainly see a centrist and establishmentarian streak as well.

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It's pretty hard to consider the staff as left-leaning anymore when the tea party and trump have shifted the right wing so far to the extreme that pretty much anyone, including true libertarians could be classified as left-leaning.

This is the problem with one-dimensional political thinking: it's left or it's right. The rainbow is reduced to shades of gray.

There is more than one way to be a fan of entrenched power. Left and right don't define it. Venezuela has an authoritarian regime, so does the Philippines. The NYT (as an institution—there a a few writers on staff who aren't completely comfortable with this, but it can't be long before they make the mob that seems to be running the place feel "unsafe") has no problem with concentration of power, it just wants it in the hands of people who think like they do.

If you can't figure out where libertarians belong on your map it's because you map needs more dimensions. Defining one's political identity based on what other people think is like setting your thermostat based on the temperatures in Jakarta and Moose Jaw.
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Posted: Jun 10, 2020 - 3:05pm

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I don't think we need to worry too much about Mr. Cotton being deplatformed any time soon. I suspect he's a beloved regular on platforms that cater to the right.

As such, that makes it all a bit of a straw man, seeing how Mr. Cotton's screed still exists (now with NYT mea culpa) and how the criticism in the article is more nuanced than simply censoring a frothing law-and-order hawk. It could've used some editing...

Not worried about Tom Cotton finding a platform, I'm worried that the NYT media bubble so many people are in is getting bricked up.

Here's a little more on the topic.

 
Everyone on the political spectrum, in a climate of polarization, has their bubbles consisting of preferred (or trusted) news sources. And some bubbles are (way) smaller than others...

I don't think the NYT is particularly problematic or worrisome in that context. I can certainly see a centrist and establishmentarian streak as well.
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Posted: Jun 10, 2020 - 2:55pm



 Lazy8 wrote:
R_P wrote:
I don't think we need to worry too much about Mr. Cotton being deplatformed any time soon. I suspect he's a beloved regular on platforms that cater to the right.

As such, that makes it all a bit of a straw man, seeing how Mr. Cotton's screed still exists (now with NYT mea culpa) and how the criticism in the article is more nuanced than simply censoring a frothing law-and-order hawk. It could've used some editing...

Not worried about Tom Cotton finding a platform, I'm worried that the NYT media bubble so many people are in is getting bricked up.

Here's a little more on the topic.

 

It's pretty hard to consider the staff as left-leaning anymore when the tea party and trump have shifted the right wing so far to the extreme that pretty much anyone, including true libertarians could be classified as left-leaning.
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Posted: Jun 10, 2020 - 1:19pm

R_P wrote:
I don't think we need to worry too much about Mr. Cotton being deplatformed any time soon. I suspect he's a beloved regular on platforms that cater to the right.

As such, that makes it all a bit of a straw man, seeing how Mr. Cotton's screed still exists (now with NYT mea culpa) and how the criticism in the article is more nuanced than simply censoring a frothing law-and-order hawk. It could've used some editing...

Not worried about Tom Cotton finding a platform, I'm worried that the NYT media bubble so many people are in is getting bricked up.

Here's a little more on the topic.

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Posted: Jun 5, 2020 - 5:55pm

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R_P wrote:

No no we can't have that! Some voices must be silenced, some opinions are too dangerous.

Shame on the NYT! What if people read those words and formed their own opinions? We can't have that.
 
I don't think we need to worry too much about Mr. Cotton being deplatformed any time soon. I suspect he's a beloved regular on platforms that cater to the right.

As such, that makes it all a bit of a straw man, seeing how Mr. Cotton's screed still exists (now with NYT mea culpa) and how the criticism in the article is more nuanced than simply censoring a frothing law-and-order hawk. It could've used some editing...
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Posted: Jun 5, 2020 - 5:09pm

R_P wrote:

No no we can't have that! Some voices must be silenced, some opinions are too dangerous.

Shame on the NYT! What if people read those words and formed their own opinions? We can't have that.
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Posted: Jun 5, 2020 - 4:59pm

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because squelching speech is en vogue?

sounds like something lindsey graham would say
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Posted: Jun 5, 2020 - 1:09pm

In publishing Tom Cotton, the New York Times has made a terrible error of judgment
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Posted: May 27, 2020 - 1:40pm

Because we care...

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Posted: May 23, 2020 - 12:31pm

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Greenwald is one of my journalistic heroes but he really needs an editor. This reads like he typed it into his phone, ran up against a deadline, closed his eyes and clicked "send".
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Posted: May 23, 2020 - 12:12pm

Ben Smith’s NYT Critique of Ronan Farrow Describes a Toxic, Corrosive, and Still-Vibrant Trump-Era Pathology: “Resistance Journalism” (Greenwald)
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Posted: Feb 3, 2020 - 12:06pm

The tactics from No 10 echo those of Trump in the US, who has been known to try to exclude journalists from reporting on his activities, and represents an escalation of Johnson’s tensions with the media, which have been increasing in recent weeks.

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Posted: Jan 28, 2020 - 7:19pm

What the El Mozote Massacre Can Teach Us About Trump’s War on the Press
The answer had been articulated by Richard Nixon years earlier. As was borne out by Nixon’s direct experience during Watergate, few things are more dangerous to conservative priorities than good journalism. Therefore, as a top Nixon aide later recalled, Nixon believed that it was necessary to “fight the press through … the nutcutters as (the president) called them, forcing our own news. Make a brutal, vicious attack on the opposition.”

The Reaganites shared this perspective. News outlets were “the opposition” that had to be brutally, viciously attacked, and individual journalists were fair game as a way to discredit their employers. Bonner was therefore caught in the White House crosshairs.

The pushback began with congressional testimony by Enders. “There is no evidence to confirm that government forces systematically massacred civilians,” he told a House subcommittee.

What about the number of victims? Bonner’s article had mentioned a list of 733 compiled by villagers, as well as a tally of 926 from a human rights organization. Elliott Abrams, who’d just taken office as assistant secretary of state for human rights and humanitarian affairs, informed the Senate that “the numbers, first of all, were not credible. … Our information was that there were only 300 people in the canton.” This was clear, conscious deceit on the part of Abrams. Both the Times and Post articles had mentioned that the massacre had taken place in several locations.

Then came the assault from the administration’s outside allies. On February 10, the Wall Street Journal ran a lengthy editorial headlined “The Media’s War.” Americans were “badly confused” about the situation in El Salvador thanks to the U.S. press. El Mozote was not a massacre, the Journal wrote, but a “massacre.” On the one hand, the number of dead had obviously been exaggerated and on the other, maybe the killing had been carried out by rebels dressed in government uniforms. Bonner was “credulous,” “a reporter out on a limb,” and, like reporters in Vietnam, a sucker for “communist sources.” One of the editorial’s authors appeared on PBS to proclaim that “obviously Ray Bonner has a political orientation.”

Accuracy in Media, the conservative media criticism organization, went further. Bonner, it declared, was waging “a propaganda war favoring the Marxist guerrillas in El Salvador.” Meanwhile, a Times editor later said, the administration was engaging in a “really vicious” whisper campaign about him.

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Posted: Dec 11, 2019 - 5:26pm

Sinclair Broadcast Group drops Boris Epshteyn's “must-run” segments
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Posted: Nov 25, 2019 - 1:00pm



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Fired from The New York Times over Trump
I was told there was concern, even at the publisher’s level, about one small edit I proposed to a story
Salon received the following statement from a spokesperson for The New York Times:

While, as a general matter of policy, we do not comment on personnel matters, Mr. Cunha makes claims in his story that merit a response. We can say that there was a broader pattern of issues including when he ignored our standards and removed the administration’s on-the-record response from a news article. Responsible news organizations allow the subjects of their coverage to respond.

Mr. Cunha’s insinuation that The New York Times has been soft on President Trump does not stand up to the facts. Without our newsroom covering Trump and his administration, the world would not know that Trump had ordered his staff to fire Mueller, or tried to have then FBI Director James Comey commit to a loyalty oath. They wouldn’t know about the "instances of outright fraud" in Trump’s tax practices, which led to investigations that are still unfolding. But aggressive coverage that holds power to account still needs to meet our standards for fairness and accuracy.

And far from courting Mr. Trump, our publisher A.G. Sulzberger has met with the president in person twice to voice concerns about the real and tragic consequences around the world of the president’s anti-press rhetoric.

 


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Posted: Nov 25, 2019 - 12:19pm

Fired from The New York Times over Trump
I was told there was concern, even at the publisher’s level, about one small edit I proposed to a story
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