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KarmaKarma

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Posted: Feb 25, 2021 - 5:38pm



 kurtster wrote:

And his fellow dems want to take the nuclear codes away from him.

Meanwhile, he's got kids locked up in cages at our open southern border and no one cares.  Well AOC does at least.  None of the people here who were so vocal and taken aback when Trump did it seem to care about this.  Figures, the usual double standard ...
 
Jen Psaki has questions she wants answered

Jen asks: "Also what is the legal authority for strikes? Assad is a brutal dictator. But Syria is a sovereign country."



"Kamala Harris was not informed prior to the Syrian bombing and is very upset about being left out of the loop, per WH official"

UH OH!

Yes, they do indeed want to take away Joe's nuclear football.

Here's another good question:


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Posted: Feb 25, 2021 - 5:24pm

 KarmaKarma wrote:


Biden bombs Syria on his 36th day in office

Bombs for Peace
 
And his fellow dems want to take the nuclear codes away from him.

Meanwhile, he's got kids locked up in cages at our open southern border and no one cares.  Well AOC does at least.  None of the people here who were so vocal and taken aback when Trump did it seem to care about this.  Figures, the usual double standard ...
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Posted: Feb 25, 2021 - 4:47pm

Biden bombs Syria on his 36th day in office

Bombs for Peace
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Posted: Feb 17, 2021 - 8:46am

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Posted: Feb 9, 2021 - 8:42pm



 westslope wrote:


 kcar wrote:


.....
"06 January revolutionary patriots"


Please tell me you're being sarcastic. Please. 
 
I would prefer the term facetious.....

To expand:  

Calling anybody a 'patriot' is an insult given the way I use the term.

My politics are anti-revolutionary.   Political revolution always involves violence including violence against powerless civilians.  

 

As long as you were kidding...
  
westslope

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Posted: Feb 9, 2021 - 5:13pm



 kcar wrote:


.....
"06 January revolutionary patriots"


Please tell me you're being sarcastic. Please. 
 
I would prefer the term facetious.....

To expand:  

Calling anybody a 'patriot' is an insult given the way I use the term.

My politics are anti-revolutionary.   Political revolution always involves violence including violence against powerless civilians.  

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Posted: Feb 9, 2021 - 5:13pm

kcar wrote:
"06 January revolutionary patriots"


Please tell me you're being sarcastic. Please. 

Dude, he's Canadian. Way too polite to be sarcastic.

Ironic, maybe.
kcar

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Posted: Feb 9, 2021 - 4:49pm



 westslope wrote:


 VV wrote:
The bar for Joe has been set by his predecessor pretty low. In order to be considered successful Biden only has to: Avoid inciting an insurrection and not ignore the pandemic. I guess we will have to wait on the first one but the second box is already checked.
 
That is an interesting twist on the 'soft bigotry of low expectations'.  In this case, it is applied to materially comfortable, accomplished white men.    


Hard to imagine Biden 'inciting' an insurrection.  But perhaps one could happen on his watch.   My current thinking is that if enough 06 January revolutionary patriots go to jail, a violent insurrection will not happen.  Don't believe that an impeachment of Trump will incite an insurrection.   Then, the last half decade has been full of surprises of the "I never thought I would see this in my lifetime" type.  

 

"06 January revolutionary patriots"


Please tell me you're being sarcastic. Please. 
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Posted: Feb 9, 2021 - 1:31pm



 VV wrote:
The bar for Joe has been set by his predecessor pretty low. In order to be considered successful Biden only has to: Avoid inciting an insurrection and not ignore the pandemic. I guess we will have to wait on the first one but the second box is already checked.
 
That is an interesting twist on the 'soft bigotry of low expectations'.  In this case, it is applied to materially comfortable, accomplished white men.    

Hard to imagine Biden 'inciting' an insurrection.  But perhaps one could happen on his watch.   My current thinking is that if enough 06 January revolutionary patriots go to jail, a violent insurrection will not happen.  Don't believe that an impeachment of Trump will incite an insurrection.   Then, the last half decade has been full of surprises of the "I never thought I would see this in my lifetime" type.  

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Posted: Feb 9, 2021 - 12:22pm

The bar for Joe has been set by his predecessor pretty low. In order to be considered successful Biden only has to: Avoid inciting an insurrection and not ignore the pandemic. I guess we will have to wait on the first one but the second box is already checked.
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Posted: Feb 9, 2021 - 12:17pm



 kurtster wrote:


So Russia, Russia, Russia is real then as far as you are concerned, right ? I'm saying this based on what you wrote above since you never replied to this below ...

 
Ok, since you are pressing me. Yes, it is real as far as myself and many others are concerned. Too much smoke for there not to be a fire.
 
I didn't answer as I don't have the inclination to engage in a lengthy discourse with you. Not interested in you trying to 'splain it to me right now.

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Posted: Feb 8, 2021 - 9:28pm

 kcar wrote:

Kurt—care to say why Trump shouldn't be convicted and disqualified from holding a federal office in the future? 
 
Nope.  

Believe I've addressed this somewhere already anyway.

Tired of repeating myself.
kcar

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Posted: Feb 8, 2021 - 9:09pm



 Ohmsen wrote:
kcar wrote:

Kurt—care to say why Trump shouldn't be convicted and disqualified from holding a federal office in the future? 
 
Europeans often 'keep smiling' on some. A saying even goes, Americans love to hurt, or even kill each other. Friends of mine even spread that thought with some pride. While my folks over here can't help but feel sad about it. 

kcar, why don't you go fight in a cage (or seek peace within yourself)? - The road might just end up being the same... 
 

"kcar, why don't you go fight in a cage (or seek peace within yourself)?"



Yeah, like I'm the problem. 

It's been barely a month since Trump egged on a bunch of protesters to occupy the Capitol building. Those idiots came within a hair's breadth of capturing and lynching Mike Pence. They would have killed Nancy Pelosi. 

But we still—STILL—have people who think the election was rigged, that Trump did nothing wrong and that he should be President again.

Trump has turned much of the GOP into his cult. His non-stop claims of fraud cost Americans over $500 million and badly damaged our reputation even more. Trump's guilt and the need to permanently prevent him from being in the Oval Office again is an open and shut case. Yet the GOP Senators will likely acquit him again. 

So you can cram your patronizing BS up your fundament. And while you're at it, you should start worrying about Germany's problem with its own extremist right—even in its military and security forces. 

https://www.npr.org/2020/12/10...

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-...

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/s...

https://www.theguardian.com/wo...

https://www.voanews.com/europe...
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Posted: Feb 8, 2021 - 8:04pm

kcar wrote:

Kurt—care to say why Trump shouldn't be convicted and disqualified from holding a federal office in the future? 
 
Europeans often 'keep smiling' on some. A saying even goes, Americans love to hurt, or even kill each other. Friends of mine even spread that thought with some pride. While my folks over here can't help but feel sad about it. 

kcar, why don't you go fight in a cage (or seek peace within yourself)? - The road might just end up being the same... 
kcar

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Posted: Feb 8, 2021 - 7:42pm


Kurt—care to say why Trump shouldn't be convicted and disqualified from holding a federal office in the future? 
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Posted: Feb 8, 2021 - 3:09pm



 Steely_D wrote:


 kurtster wrote:
 

Says the redneck stand-up comedian.
 

Just goes to show you how f*cked up everything Trump did and how many people it affected!  So yeah, if you the number of executive orders exceeds the number of days your in office, the former administrator WAS A dictator!
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Posted: Feb 8, 2021 - 2:43pm



 kurtster wrote:
 

Says the redneck stand-up comedian.
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Posted: Feb 8, 2021 - 2:35pm

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Posted: Feb 7, 2021 - 8:17am

I am beginning to wonder; does he hate his own people??  I am starting to take this personally.{#Headache}
 
kcar

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Posted: Jan 27, 2021 - 8:20pm



 kurtster wrote:

It has been completely disproved and is actually all on Hillary and the DNC with help from Obama's DOJ with Obama and Biden directly participating as has been established.

The latest document declassification proves this once and for all. Yet you and most others here still would bet your lives that it was all real and not a frame job on Trump. That is the disconnect.
 
Prove it, pretzel boy.

IIRC when  Trump's order to declassify that binder of documents was announced in the news, there was no indication as to what was in those documents.

"and is actually all on Hillary and the DNC with help from Obama's DOJ with Obama and Biden directly participating as has been established."

Wow, this bit especially reads like something out of a wet dream you had. Or a Qanon thread.

Here, Kurt, take a look at this article about the GOP-led Senate Foreign Relations Committee report on Russia and the Trump campaign.


G.O.P.-Led Senate Panel Details Ties Between 2016 Trump Campaign and Russia

A nearly 1,000-page report confirmed the special counsel’s findings at a moment when President Trump’s allies have sought to undermine that inquiry.



WASHINGTON — A sprawling report released Tuesday by a Republican-controlled Senate panel that spent three years investigating Russia’s interference in the 2016 election laid out an extensive web of contacts between Trump campaign advisers and Kremlin officials and other Russians, including at least one intelligence officer and others tied to the
country’s spy services.

...

It provided a bipartisan Senate imprimatur for an extraordinary set of facts: The Russian government disrupted an American election to help Mr. Trump become president, Russian intelligence services viewed members of the Trump campaign as easily manipulated, and some of Mr. Trump’s advisers were eager for the help from an American adversary.
...

Like the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, who released his findings in April 2019, the Senate report did not conclude that the Trump campaign engaged in a coordinated conspiracy with the Russian government — a fact that Republicans seized on to argue that there was “no collusion.”

But the report showed extensive evidence of contacts between Trump campaign advisers and people tied to the Kremlin — including a longstanding associate of the onetime Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, Konstantin V. Kilimnik, whom the report identified as a “Russian intelligence officer.”

...

It also included a potentially explosive detail: that investigators had uncovered information possibly tying Mr. Kilimnik to Russia’s major election interference operations, conducted by the intelligence service known as the G.R.U.

Democrats highlighted Mr. Kilimnik’s potential ties to the interference operations in their own appendix to the report, noting that Mr. Manafort discussed campaign strategy and shared internal campaign polling data with the Russian and later lied to federal investigators about his actions.

“This is what collusion looks like,” Democrats wrote.

...

The report’s findings about Mr. Kilimnik and other Russians in touch with Trump campaign advisers confirmed an article in The New York Times from 2017 that said there had been numerous interactions between the Trump campaign and Russian intelligence in the year before the election. F.B.I. officials had disputed the report.

Though there was no evidence of any agreement between the Russians and the Trump campaign to work together, there was clear coordination, said Senator Angus King, a Maine independent who caucuses with the Democrats and is a member of the Intelligence Committee.

“The Russians were doing things to disrupt American democracy and help the Trump campaign and the Trump campaign was doing things to amplify and utilize what the Russians were supplying,” Mr. King said in an interview. “There may not have been an explicit agreement but they were both consciously pursing the same end, which was the election of Donald  Trump. And for the Russians, the extra benefit was disrupting American democracy.”

...

The report is the product of one of the few congressional investigations in recent memory that retained bipartisan support throughout. Lawmakers and committee aides interviewed more than 200 witnesses and reviewed hundreds of thousands of documents, including intelligence reports, internal F.B.I. notes and correspondence among members of the Trump campaign. The committee convened hearings in 2017 and 2018, but most of its work took place out of public view.

The report suggested that Mr. Manafort was compromised by his financial ties with Russian and Ukrainian oligarchs, who themselves were connected to Mr. Kilimnik, the Russian intelligence operative.

It cited Mr. Manafort’s ties to Oleg Deripaska, a Russian oligarch described as a “proxy” for Russian state and intelligence services who claimed that Mr. Manafort owed him money. And it described at length Mr. Manafort’s relationships with a cluster of pro-Russia oligarchs in Ukraine, who had paid him tens of millions of dollars as a political
consultant in Ukraine.


“Manafort conducted influence operations that supported and were a part of Russian active measures campaigns, including those involving political influence and electoral interference,” the report said.

Before, during and after he was forced out as Mr. Trump’s campaign chairman, the report said, Mr. Manafort offered inside information and assistance to these Russian-aligned interests. Mr. Kilimnik was Mr. Manafort’s intermediary with both Mr. Deripaska and the Ukrainian oligarchs, according to the report. It recounted how he briefed Mr. Kilimnik at an August 2016 meeting on the Trump campaign’s strategy to defeat Hillary Clinton, describing efforts in the battleground states of Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Minnesota and the margins by which Mr. Trump might win.

The report also shed new light on the interaction between Russian intelligence and WikiLeaks — and between WikiLeaks and the Trump campaign. WikiLeaks, which released
tranches of stolen Democratic emails that helped damage Mrs. Clinton’s campaign, not only played a clear role in the election interference but  also “very likely knew it was assisting a Russian intelligence influence effort,” the report said.



Kurt, you should also check out the first piece for more details. It has charts showing the time and nature of contacts between Trump, Trump campaign members and Russians—including members of the Russian government.










Mueller Report Shows Depth of Connections Between Trump Campaign and Russians





Also this piece: 

Trump Campaign Aides Had Repeated Contacts With Russian Intelligence


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