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Posted: Apr 7, 2019 - 10:38am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

If on the other hand, you are just trying to save face. Sorry. not convinced.

 
Me ?  No.

I truly believe that oil and other hydrocarbons can indeed be abiotic.

I offered support samples for my beliefs.

No minds were changed today.  Like I said, no worries.

As a reminder, I was initially responding to this:
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 Red_Dragon wrote:
 ALL the energy on this planet came/comes from the sun. 
  
You questioned my reply to that statement, but not the statement itself.  I simply questioned your inference that all hydrocarbons were a result of solar activity.  We disagree.  But at least we agree that the above quoted statement is not true ?


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Posted: Apr 7, 2019 - 10:19am

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Posted: Apr 7, 2019 - 9:49am



 kurtster wrote:

I'll take that as a yes, it's settled science.

No worries on my part.
 

Kurster, you have a proclivity for taking strange scientific outliers and extrapolating from them to debunk what is, seeing that we are talking about sedimentary processes, as settled science. You are off chasing fake clouds again on this one. Sorry. 


It is possible for more complex hydrocarbons to form at depth from methane. This is known and accepted. But the regimes where this happens are primarily subduction zones, i.e. those places where the crust is getting sucked down into the mantle (or pushed), take your pick and is exposed to heat from the mantle. It cannot and does not explain the vast seams of hydrocarbon deposits in crustal regimes miles away from subduction zones that were laid down in sediments and turned into coal and oil by overburden. This is amply proven by the very fossils in the host rock. No mantle heat anywhere near them. Just the heat and pressure of being buried by a ton of other crap. A lot of it organic. Where do you think dead plants and animals go? 

I know a lot of geologists and not even the oil industry accepts the abiotic hypothesis. Why would they? It would make it a darned sight harder to find the next oil field.

If on the other hand, you are just trying to save face. Sorry. not convinced.
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Posted: Apr 7, 2019 - 9:36am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:


 kurtster wrote:


So you're 100% sure that it is settled science ?  I'm not.

 

.. and the beat goes on...  

 
I'll take that as a yes, it's settled science.

No worries on my part.
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Posted: Apr 7, 2019 - 9:26am



 kurtster wrote:


So you're 100% sure that it is settled science ?  I'm not.

Here try this ...

Fossils From Animals And Plants Are Not Necessary For Crude Oil And Natural Gas, Swedish Researchers Find

Wiki

and lastly ...

The Origin of Crude Oil or Petroleum: Biotic or Abiotic?

It's been well talked about here over 10 years ago.  It was dismissed then as who haw.  Things have changed since then.

https://radioparadise.com/community/forum/topic/5371


 

.. and the beat goes on...  
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Posted: Apr 7, 2019 - 9:06am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

So you are saying that all coal, oil, shale, etc, cannot exist without an organic component ?
 
Do you play the drums by any chance Kurtster?
 

So you're 100% sure that it is settled science ?  I'm not.

Here try this ...

Fossils From Animals And Plants Are Not Necessary For Crude Oil And Natural Gas, Swedish Researchers Find

Wiki

and lastly ...

The Origin of Crude Oil or Petroleum: Biotic or Abiotic?

It's been well talked about here over 10 years ago.  It was dismissed then as who haw.  Things have changed since then.

https://radioparadise.com/community/forum/topic/5371


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Posted: Apr 7, 2019 - 8:33am



 kurtster wrote:

So you are saying that all coal, oil, shale, etc, cannot exist without an organic component ?
 
Do you play the drums by any chance Kurtster?

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Posted: Apr 7, 2019 - 8:32am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

So you're saying that petrochemicals, et al, are indirect solar power ?
 
 
Kurtster, let's just stop now. you make me into a worse person than I want to be.

 Go check out where oil ultimately comes from.
 
So you are saying that all coal, oil, shale, etc, cannot exist without an organic component ?
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Posted: Apr 7, 2019 - 8:27am



 SeriousLee wrote:

Interesting. I did not know that.
 
"All the energy in oil, gas, and coal originally came from the sun, captured through photosynthesis. In the same way that we burn wood to release energy that trees capture from the sun, we burn fossil fuels to release the energy that ancient plants captured from the sun."  (http://techalive.mtu.edu/meec/module19/Page4.htm)

 

Seriously?  In our country they stopped teaching physical geography at some stage, looks like NZ wasn't the only country to do so. Well pardon me if I came across all haughty taughty.. I thought everyone knew that.
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Posted: Apr 7, 2019 - 8:20am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

So you're saying that petrochemicals, et al, are indirect solar power ?
 
 
Kurtster, let's just stop now. you make me into a worse person than I want to be.

 Go check out where oil ultimately comes from.

 
Interesting. I did not know that.
 
"All the energy in oil, gas, and coal originally came from the sun, captured through photosynthesis. In the same way that we burn wood to release energy that trees capture from the sun, we burn fossil fuels to release the energy that ancient plants captured from the sun."  (http://techalive.mtu.edu/meec/module19/Page4.htm)

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Posted: Apr 7, 2019 - 8:12am



 kurtster wrote:

So you're saying that petrochemicals, et al, are indirect solar power ?


 
 
Kurtster, let's just stop now. you make me into a worse person than I want to be.

 Go check out where oil ultimately comes from.


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Posted: Apr 7, 2019 - 8:08am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

What in the hell are you talking about ?

I thought that you said that, 90% of the world's energy is sourced directly or indirectly from the sun.

 

oh dearie.. what powers the water cycle? what powers the wind? 

 
So you're saying that petrochemicals, et al, are indirect solar power ?


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Posted: Apr 7, 2019 - 7:26am



 kurtster wrote:

What in the hell are you talking about ?

I thought that you said that, 90% of the world's energy is sourced directly or indirectly from the sun.

 

oh dearie.. what powers the water cycle? what powers the wind? 
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Posted: Apr 7, 2019 - 7:13am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:


 kurtster wrote:
 

double fail on your part:
a) I rounded to the nearest blockhead,
look at 2014 compared to 2015, nuclear accounts for roughly 10% in  2014 and roughly 5% in 2015 - I was actually being generous.

b) you are forgetting hydro

 
What in the hell are you talking about ?

I thought that you said that, 90% of the world's energy is sourced directly or indirectly from the sun.

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Posted: Apr 7, 2019 - 6:55am



 kurtster wrote:
 

double fail on your part:
a) I rounded to the nearest blockhead, ten percent.
look at 2014 compared to 2015, nuclear accounts for roughly 10% in  2014 and roughly 5% in 2015 - I was actually being generous.

b) you are forgetting hydro
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Posted: Apr 7, 2019 - 6:50am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

Show me that source, please.
 
my pleasure

 
Fail.
 with fossil fuels supplying 86% of the world's energy:
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Posted: Apr 7, 2019 - 6:37am



 kurtster wrote:

Show me that source, please.
 
my pleasure


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Posted: Apr 7, 2019 - 6:35am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

So the sun made Uranium and the resulting nuclear radiation / energy ?

And geothermal is solar powered ?

Did AOC tell you this ?  The science party, hah !

Energy is conserved.  It cannot be created nor destroyed.  It can only be converted into other forms.  

As usual, I could be wrong.  I did get my education in public schools.

Ra, Ra, Ra !!!
 

says the man who believes in chem trails..  but point taken, a mere 90% of the world's energy is sourced directly or indirectly from the sun.

 
Show me that source, please.
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Posted: Apr 7, 2019 - 6:30am



 kurtster wrote:

So the sun made Uranium and the resulting nuclear radiation / energy ?

And geothermal is solar powered ?

Did AOC tell you this ?  The science party, hah !

Energy is conserved.  It cannot be created nor destroyed.  It can only be converted into other forms.  

As usual, I could be wrong.  I did get my education in public schools.

Ra, Ra, Ra !!!


 

says the man who believes in chem trails..  but point taken, a mere 90% of the world's energy is sourced directly or indirectly from the sun.
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Posted: Apr 7, 2019 - 6:05am

 Red_Dragon wrote:
Solar and wind generated power are ultimately the only sustainable sources. ALL the energy on this planet came/comes from the sun. We need to stop mining the stored solar energy and start using the solar energy that is dumped on the planet on a daily - sustainable - basis.

 
So the sun made Uranium and the resulting nuclear radiation / energy ?

And geothermal is solar powered ?

Did AOC tell you this ?  The science party, hah !

Energy is conserved.  It cannot be created nor destroyed.  It can only be converted into other forms.  

As usual, I could be wrong.  I did get my education in public schools.

Ra, Ra, Ra !!!


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