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Posted: Jun 10, 2022 - 1:12pm

 R_P wrote:
Kinda makes sense.    The US gun/self-defence entitlement ain't goin' nowhere so firearms might be a good pick for an economy headed into recession, and a stock market that still has a ways to decline.  I have not looked carefully but would guess that firearm sales are reasonably recession proof.

It also makes sense to the extent that investors would rationally anticipate increased gun purchases prior to new restrictions (if they are ever introduced).

The suggestion that teachers pack a hand gun is absurd and dangerous.   

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Posted: Jun 10, 2022 - 11:26am

 Jiggz wrote:
Your ancestors who jumped out of LC's onto the beaches of Normandy are not proud of you.



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Posted: Jun 10, 2022 - 10:41am

 steeler wrote:


If, as it appears from your posts, this is more a uniquely American problem due, in your estimation, to a over-medicated populace, why do you think almost all other “westernized” countries have way more restrictions on gun ownership/possession?


I have been out and about in the countryside for a few days....late response duly apologised for and all protocols observed etc....I do think it it a uniquely American problem of relatively recent manifestation. for years your society functioned well, with gun laws as they are.
So, what changed?
Increased isolation and loneliness and mass medication of the populace. and a crappy diet becoming more and more the norm.
Other 'westernised' nations (nanny states) have way more restrictions because they have never had a Second Amendment equivalent in their founding documentation. So there was no backstop to disarming the population. That does not mean the people are happier than you nor that their future is in any way better than yours.
And, I get that you would like to see the Second Amendment scrapped and binned altogether and your country become another nanny state, but that does not answer the question of what changed, nor does it prohibit the truck being driven into crowds etc.

What changed?
Answer the question.

I think the misfits and the troubled feel more and more isolated, because you no longer have a sense of community and it is harder for people to feel as if they belong to a community or a larger group.
Even a church goes a long way towards solving this but your country has effectively removed that as a connective element. The cry goes out and rings long into the small hours about 'mental health!, mental health!', but you weren't an insane society in the past - so what has changed, that is primarily in America and not in other countries?

The troubled go to their doc and get....radical psychotropic drugs - profits to big pharma and their captured politicians, sure - but a heavy heavy toll on your society. That's a relatively recent thing (like from the 70's or 80's or whatever).
You tweak your back one day lifting a shopping bag from the trunk because you have no core or ab strength coz you are 200 pounds overweight and haven't moved your body since you finished school, and you go to the doc and...you get serious, trippy, addictive fucking painkillers!
And you take them!
Are you nuts?
No, you are hypnotised by your TV.

I heard an interview with a doctor a few days ago - he sounded Jamaican or Caribbean but it was on an American news source - and he predicted something like 400 mass shootings in the USA this year as a result of those lockdowns that you all loved so much ie...increased isolation.
We will see.

Its in your country so doesn't really affect me.
But it might affect you.

I am surprised that the main remedy here seems to be the gun law thing.
I thought you would be more invested than that, and tend towards focusing very intently on potential causes other than those given you by your media.
I really would have thought you would be more invested, or more concerned. than that. 
As I have said - trucks and crowds, acid, whatever....hey, poison in water supplies?

Dave is seemingly quite alert to possible incidents as he and P go about their lives - it's not a bad thing. Good for you, Dave. I have lived my life since 1986 just like that. Always looking for the threat. I can tell you that it becomes mighty tiring - always being 'ON'.
But it isn't normal and shouldn't be necessary in a civilised society - and if the population is disarmed, will you then have to focus your energies on avoiding crowded sidewalks or pedestrian crossings or drinking only water that you have purified yourself?
How tiring...

Gun control will not solve your problem, despite what your political leadership and media sources say.
Instead of being used as an issue to unite your country and society, it is being used, as often happens, against you and as a means to divide you further.

Do none of you find it odd that I could post some Tweet about one or other issue and be bundled up by one of your 3 letter agencies probably within hours, but I could go to the same agencies with a written manifesto saying I want to go and commit some crazy mass shooting, and they would let me back out onto the street to go right ahead and do it?
I am paraphrasing here, but many many of your mass killers have records, files etc and are known to your agencies.
It makes me think that the crazies are begging to be stopped before they do something, but basically nothing happens. Isn't that odd to you?
How many of the shooters are known, have been questioned, have been arrested, have been reported.....but nothing is done.
Doesn't that make you wonder?
You don't think maybe it is intended to keep you all at each others throats, hating on each other because they wear red and you prefer blue, and to keep you in a state of fear and borderline hysteria? 
It is pretty sad to watch, actually.

And - having said all that, I think that as a result of the increase in the drug-addled and socially isolated that populate your society, as a result of the massive division that you have allowed to happen to your society, I do think that there should be background checks on the competence and mental and medical capacities of new gun owners, and I suspect that most responsible gun owners would agree with me.
However, you have allowed and voted for your government institutions to become so politicised, that they can't be trusted to adequately weed out the drugged up, depressed psychotic prospective gun owner from a prospective gun owner who think differently to you and might support a different candidate to you, so yeh...there will be no pushing that turd back up the poop chute.

You are done.
Your country is fucked - you voted for it and now you get to enjoy it - so, have fun.

What did your TV tell you to do today?
Who did your TV tell you to hate today?
May as well take a pill and chill out...hook up that HFCS intravenous drip, and wait for the end....watch some more TV while it approaches.

What a waste of a once fine, proud and competent nation.
Your ancestors who jumped out of LC's onto the beaches of Normandy are not proud of you.

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Posted: Jun 10, 2022 - 8:12am

 rgio wrote:

Hopes and Prayers.  Mental Illness, not guns.



Heavy Rain does not cause flooding.  — Republican Party 2022
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Posted: Jun 9, 2022 - 2:32pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:
Hopes and Prayers.  Mental Illness, not guns.

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Posted: Jun 9, 2022 - 2:22pm

Maryland
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Posted: Jun 6, 2022 - 5:21am

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Posted: Jun 5, 2022 - 2:21pm

 R_P wrote:

imagine that
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Posted: Jun 5, 2022 - 2:19pm

Firearm stocks spike after mass shootings as investors dismiss the chance of tightening gun laws
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Posted: Jun 3, 2022 - 10:12am

Three dead including gunman in shooting outside Iowa church
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Posted: Jun 3, 2022 - 6:29am

So, where will today's Second Amendment Enthusiast exercise his rights and how many will he sacrifice to The Gun God?
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Posted: Jun 3, 2022 - 6:21am

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Maybe the pendulum has swung too far in pain management. Opiate addiction isn't the worst thing in the world (until you supply dries up).

My mom's old neighbor got hooked on Oxy. One day he went to the pharmacy and they denied to refill his script. He lost it (had a bad temper to begin with) flew into a rage, got in his car and tore out of the parking lot head on into a mother and kid coming down the road. He died and so did the mom. He left behind a wife, son in high school.

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Posted: Jun 2, 2022 - 7:02pm

 steeler wrote:

He was released on May 24 after having back surgery and had been complaining about back pain. A week after being released, he goes and kills the surgeon who operated on him (and others), presumably because of the back pain. The kicker: he bought the semi-automatic rifle he used that morning.
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Seems to me this scenario presents an argument for a waiting period of, say, at least three days between arranging purchase and obtaining the firearm. A waiting period may not stop a person like this guy from acting on his grievance, but a “cooling off period” possibly could prevent at least a few of these. And what is the downside? It seems to me that anyone who has an “urgent” need for a gun right away is likely to be someone who intends to use it on someone. That urgency, if expressed or otherwise made known, should be a red flag in and of itself.



Maybe the pendulum has swung too far in pain management. Opiate addiction isn't the worst thing in the world (until you supply dries up).
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Posted: Jun 2, 2022 - 2:33pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
 steeler wrote:

He was released on May 24 after having back surgery and had been complaining about back pain. A week after being released, he goes and kills the surgeon who operated on him (and others), presumably because of the back pain. The kicker: he bought the semi-automatic rifle he used that morning.
.
Seems to me this scenario presents an argument for a waiting period of, say, at least three days between arranging purchase and obtaining the firearm. A waiting period may not stop a person like this guy from acting on his grievance, but a “cooling off period” possibly could prevent at least a few of these. And what is the downside? It seems to me that anyone who has an “urgent” need for a gun right away is likely to be someone who intends to use it on someone. That urgency, if expressed or otherwise made known, should be a red flag in and of itself.



 
Painfully spot on.
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Posted: Jun 2, 2022 - 2:30pm

 steeler wrote:

He was released on May 24 after having back surgery and had been complaining about back pain. A week after being released, he goes and kills the surgeon who operated on him (and others), presumably because of the back pain. The kicker: he bought the semi-automatic rifle he used that morning.
.
Seems to me this scenario presents an argument for a waiting period of, say, at least three days between arranging purchase and obtaining the firearm. A waiting period may not stop a person like this guy from acting on his grievance, but a “cooling off period” possibly could prevent at least a few of these. And what is the downside? It seems to me that anyone who has an “urgent” need for a gun right away is likely to be someone who intends to use it on someone. That urgency, if expressed or otherwise made known, should be a red flag in and of itself.






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Posted: Jun 2, 2022 - 10:31am

 Red_Dragon wrote:
He was released on May 24 after having back surgery and had been complaining about back pain. A week after being released, he goes and kills the surgeon who operated on him (and others), presumably because of the back pain. The kicker: he bought the semi-automatic rifle he used that morning.
.
Seems to me this scenario presents an argument for a waiting period of, say, at least three days between arranging purchase and obtaining the firearm. A waiting period may not stop a person like this guy from acting on his grievance, but a “cooling off period” possibly could prevent at least a few of these. And what is the downside? It seems to me that anyone who has an “urgent” need for a gun right away is likely to be someone who intends to use it on someone. That urgency, if expressed or otherwise made known, should be a red flag in and of itself.

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Posted: Jun 2, 2022 - 10:08am

The suspect "came in with the intent to kill Dr. Phillips and anyone who came in his way," Franklin said. Authorities found a letter on Lewis that made it clear that the attack was targeted...."
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Posted: Jun 2, 2022 - 8:33am

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What, some alarm bells go off in one of your feeds or were you assigned to watch her tonight ?  

That's pretty funny.  Not sure what others get, but I have one daily feed and it's a business report on press releases.   Who needs politics in a feed?

I watch Fox every so often.  Primarily Tucker (for as long as I can put up with him).  It gives me a chance to prepare for the online regurgitation. 

You rarely, if ever, let me down.

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Posted: Jun 1, 2022 - 11:49pm

 kurtster wrote:
regarding the partisan divide on guns.

the left wants no guns, period.

the right wants to keep their guns as guaranteed by the 2nd amendment.

the left pretends to try and find a middle ground under the guise of gun control.

when the right brings up the blatant failures of gun control, the left just says we need more laws.

when the right brings up the failures of gun laws in places like Chicago as an example of how the most stringent laws do not work, at all, the left changes the subject and refuses to acknowledge the blatant failures let alone even discuss them.

when the right finds that the left does not want to discuss the failure of gun laws other than to say we need more laws and that will fix everything, the right does not take the left seriously on the issue.  especially when the laws on the books are hardly even enforced anymore.  only a fool would believe that more laws that will not be enforced will solve the problem.

the lack of enforcement is taken to be intentional by the right.  the lack of enforcement is done so the left can say, see we have all these laws and they do not work,  we need to confiscate the guns as it is the only sure way to fix the problem.

and here we are.

imo ...
 
Some of these claims appear to be pretty, um, sloppy:
  • no guns, period?  really?   not even justified use like in Australia, as Haresfur explained?
  • 2nd amendment .. you appear to be ignoring the prefatory clause here. There is a purpose and context to the "right to bear arms".
  • blatant failures of gun control so we don't need more gun control laws - yet gun control works fine in almost all other countries, why not in the States?
  • the left is intentionally not enforcing existing gun control laws so as to introduce a ban - this sounds a) outlandish and b) contradicts the very argument you made in the preceding paragraph, that gun control laws don't work per se.
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Posted: Jun 1, 2022 - 11:00pm

 R_P wrote:
 
yeah, I saw this live.  and no, I do not agree.

This is fresh roadkill.  Mere hours old.

What, some alarm bells go off in one of your feeds or were you assigned to watch her tonight ?  
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