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Posted: Jun 23, 2020 - 12:28pm


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Posted: Jun 22, 2020 - 9:46pm

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:wave:  hiya

 
{#Wave}{#Heartkiss}
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Posted: Jun 22, 2020 - 9:45pm

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If there was a real question in there somewhere ... 

You asked two and one had nothing to do with the other, yet you somehow thought they did.
 
OK, I'll bite. My first question was: "Why are you all in for Trump?" after you expressed solidarity with BIPOC (that's Black/Indigenous People of Color, if you weren't aware), starting a bit downthread with Red_Dragon's post about people who owned people. My second question, "What gives?" was more an emphasis or reiteration of my first question, which I expected you to understand. My apologies if that was not clear enough for you. I thought my questions had something to do with each other...because they did.

And then you replied that we all live on stolen land and took it all the way back to Eve (even if you were being sarcastic, way to blame it on a woman). That just smacked of whataboutism. My question, which I will reiterate, was this: Why are you all in for Trump? I am genuinely curious. I know I said I didn't care what your answer was, but I was pissed off that you sidetracked with "OMG, we ALL live on stolen land and let's ask the Europeans about being slave dealers!"
 
So I've given you what you wanted: my time and energy to explain what I actually meant and which you were playing too obtuse to understand.

Now give me what I want, which is an answer to my initial question: Why are you all in for Trump? (Hint: You can't be in solidarity with BIPOC and support Trump. Those things are mutually exclusive.)

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Posted: Jun 22, 2020 - 1:01pm

How Your School May Affect Your Politics
The new study by researchers at the University of Colorado, Dartmouth and Carnegie Mellon found that “a 10-percentage point increase in the share of minorities in a white student's assigned school decreased their likelihood of being...registered as a Republican by 12 percent.”

The analysis was based on data from Charlotte-Mecklenburg Schools — a school district that was at the center of an historic Supreme Court ruling upholding busing programs and that became a model of successful integration. That is, before the district wrote new boundaries and stopped its busing program.

In 1954, after the Supreme Court declared in Brown v. Board of Education that segregation in schools is unconstitutional, North Carolina issued a report insisting that integrating public schools "cannot be accomplished and should not be attempted,” and the legislature empowered local school boards to continue segregating schools.

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That all came to a crashing halt in the early 2000s, when the Supreme Court allowed a federal judge to end federal supervision of the Charlotte-Mecklenburg school district, killing its busing program. In 2018, a report by North Carolina Justice Center’s Education & Law Project found that the school district is now “by far the most racially segregated district in the state.” The group noted that “charter schools have contributed to increasing racial segregation.”

That same year, Republicans in the North Carolina legislature passed a bill offering a national model for resegregation, empowering wealthy white school districts to create their own publicly funded, privately administered charter schools. Officials from the Charlotte-Mecklenburg school district have pushed for its repeal.

The shift in the district fits into a national trend: In the last 30 years, the number of racially segregated schools has more than tripled, and more than a third of all African American and Latino students attend a school where 90 percent of their peers are non-white.

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Posted: Jun 22, 2020 - 9:02am



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{#Lol}
Fuck the majority of us living in the United States, then.
 
 

:wave:  hiya

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Posted: Jun 22, 2020 - 4:04am

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{#Rolleyes} You didn't answer my question, but don't bother at this point. I don't care.
 
If there was a real question in there somewhere ... 

You asked two and one had nothing to do with the other, yet you somehow thought they did.
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Posted: Jun 20, 2020 - 7:25pm



 AliGator wrote:

{#Rolleyes}
You didn't answer my question, but don't bother at this point. I don't care.
 

I know exactly how you feel, AliGator...  
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Posted: Jun 20, 2020 - 4:51pm

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You're kidding, right ?  It's not just white people.  It's everybody.  From everywhere.  From all around the world.

Just how far back are we going to go ?  How about we go after the EU for being the slave dealers who sold everyone the human crack cocaine ?

I know, it's all Eve's fault.  If you roll that way.  Otherwise it has to be the last guy's fault ...

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{#Rolleyes} You didn't answer my question, but don't bother at this point. I don't care.
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Posted: Jun 19, 2020 - 11:47pm

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So why are you all in for Trump? You acknowledge that most white people are living on stolen land. What gives?
 
You're kidding, right ?  It's not just white people.  It's everybody.  From everywhere.  From all around the world.

Just how far back are we going to go ?  How about we go after the EU for being the slave dealers who sold everyone the human crack cocaine ?

I know, it's all Eve's fault.  If you roll that way.  Otherwise it has to be the last guy's fault ...

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Posted: Jun 19, 2020 - 11:24pm

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My point exactly ... ;)
 
So why are you all in for Trump? You acknowledge that most white people are living on stolen land. What gives?
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Posted: Jun 19, 2020 - 10:56pm

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{#Lol} Fuck the majority of us living in the United States, then.
 
 
My point exactly ... ;)
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Posted: Jun 19, 2020 - 10:26pm

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And the same to anyone who lives on land stolen from Native Americans by means of war, slaughter or deceit.
 
{#Lol} Fuck the majority of us living in the United States, then.
 
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Posted: Jun 19, 2020 - 10:14pm



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Might I suggest the same for you ?  Echo chambers are not the exclusive property of Trump supporters.

Maybe we disagree with the term systemic ?  I see that as what was and is written into law such as Jim Crow laws and physical entities or organizations such as the KKK.  Both creations of the democratic party.
 
No, you may not.  I'm rubber and you're glue and trying to lure me down into some semantic rabbit hole is pretty lame even for you. Any high school debate coach would send you back to the drawing board.

Others have taken you to task, I need not repeat them. Besides, given you are standing strongly behind what you said, what more needs to be said?  Not worth my time.

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Posted: Jun 19, 2020 - 10:08pm

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 Fuck anyone who owned people.

 
And the same to anyone who lives on land stolen from Native Americans by means of war, slaughter or deceit.
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Posted: Jun 19, 2020 - 8:16pm



 kurtster wrote:

Might I suggest the same for you ?  Echo chambers are not the exclusive property of Trump supporters.

Maybe we disagree with the term systemic ?  I see that as what was and is written into law such as Jim Crow laws and physical entities or organizations such as the KKK.  Both creations of the democratic party.
 

"I see that as what was and is written into law such as Jim Crow laws and physical entities or organizations such as the KKK. Both creations of the democratic party."


Are you trotting out this sorry bu||$h*t AGAIN?!?!? 


I helped debunk this claim from you over a year ago. This is the most head-banging, frustrating thing about having a conversation with you: you make a claim, it gets debunked—often in GREAT detail—and then you "forget" or ignore the debunking and put up your claim again. 

The Democratic and Republican parties have traded places when it comes to Black-White relations and support of civil rights. Take a look at what the Democratic party has done starting with JFK's administration for Blacks and minorities whose civil rights have been suppressed. Do you see Blacks voting for Republican presidential candidates in significant numbers? No.  

Both parties have a lot to answer for when it comes to the lack of economic and political and civic progress for African-Americans. But the modern Democratic party has been trying to improve matters on those issues for a long time. 

You are stuck in the deepest of ruts. You complain over and over again about how you're ignored or disrespected—but your arguments don't change even when they're disputed or disproved. 
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Posted: Jun 19, 2020 - 8:15pm



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Yeah.  You're reading me correctly.

Seeing the day when a statue of George Washington was defaced and torn down kinda pushed some of the wrong buttons in me today.  This is a day I thought would never happen, at least in my lifetime.  Sorry, history ain't taking any time outs today.  Or this is how we are supposed to celebrate Juneteenth ?
 
George Washington OWNED people. He used their teeth to replace his own. Fuck him. Fuck anyone who owned people.

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Posted: Jun 19, 2020 - 6:59pm

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To the best of our knowledge, which party at present has the support of white supremacists? 

More importantly:

I am thinking your posts today are along the lines of pointing out what you see — here and everywhere — as the use of double standards. I am actually hoping that is the case. This is Juneteenth. We have been experiencing weeks of protests regarding race relations in this country. In my view, this is not the day to argue that Democrats are more responsible for systemic racism than Republicans. Not the day to argue that present-day whites should not be made to feel in any sense responsible for past racism. Not the day to argue that the history of whites in this country is being erased.
 
Yeah.  You're reading me correctly.

Seeing the day when a statue of George Washington was defaced and torn down kinda pushed some of the wrong buttons in me today.  This is a day I thought would never happen, at least in my lifetime.  Sorry, history ain't taking any time outs today.  Or this is how we are supposed to celebrate Juneteenth ?
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Posted: Jun 19, 2020 - 6:02pm



 kurtster wrote:

Might I suggest the same for you ?  Echo chambers are not the exclusive property of Trump supporters.

Maybe we disagree with the term systemic ?  I see that as what was and is written into law such as Jim Crow laws and physical entities or organizations such as the KKK.  Both creations of the democratic party.
 

To the best of our knowledge, which party at present has the support of white supremacists? 

More importantly:

I am thinking your posts today are along the lines of pointing out what you see — here and everywhere — as the use of double standards. I am actually hoping that is the case. This is Juneteenth. We have been experiencing weeks of protests regarding race relations in this country. In my view, this is not the day to argue that Democrats are more responsible for systemic racism than Republicans. Not the day to argue that present-day whites should not be made to feel in any sense responsible for past racism. Not the day to argue that the history of whites in this country is being erased.
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Posted: Jun 19, 2020 - 6:01pm



 kurtster wrote:

The democratic party is the creator of systemic racism in this country.
 
Parties change. Look at the Republican party.

I hope there is no place for old-school southern Democrats in the party today.

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Posted: Jun 19, 2020 - 6:00pm

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