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Posted: Mar 24, 2021 - 5:04am

 kurtster wrote:
 
 
I have a lot of experience with Asians in all capacities.  I roomed with a Phillipino in college and worked for many years for Koreans at a health club in the 90s as well as having various Asian friends over the years.   We are all the same, we are all different.  One thing that we all share to a certain extent is at the very least a recognition of all groups cultural differences and at the very worst out and out prejudice towards them.  Asians themselves can be extremely prejudicial not just to us wide eyed stupid Americans as the Koreans would half jokingly call us all the time whilst pointing out the various strange eccentricities of white people, but strangely the real vitriol is reserved for other Asians which I found surprising.   I had no problem with it for the most part because most of it was absolutely true and was presented in more of a jest than oppressive and mean.  As for the Asian culture in particular, I have always admired many aspects of their culture in particular the no nonsense and practical work ethic.  In our haste to not offend and to reverse obvious past prejudice and oppression, we have tried to stamp out obvious cultural differences between our groups and when you deny reality on so many fronts it is difficult to hear the valid complaints of social justice warriors.
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Posted: Mar 24, 2021 - 4:54am

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Posted: Mar 24, 2021 - 4:51am

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irony? neo-racist alison collins hate comes back to haunt her?

"We've been silenced by ignorant comments like this for far too long. Our efforts have been minimized for far too long. We've been gaslighted, scapegoated and invisiblized for far too long," Lam said at the meeting. "Words matter and the example we set, as entrusted by voters to have compassion and care about the kids we represent must be demonstrated with words and actions. I'm not alone when I say that I do not have confidence in Commissioner Collins' ability to govern a school district that is almost half AAPI with no bias."

"Commissioner Allison Collins' statement regarding the Asian American community is dangerous, hurtful and unbecoming," Moliga said. "I am requesting Commissioner Collins to take accountability for the racist statements, issue a heartfelt apology and gracefully resign from the SF Board of Education. This critical step will ensure that our communities and our students can begin recentering and healing."

 
Being born and raised in the SF Bay area shortly after WWII, I find this blatant disregard for the Asian community in the Bay Area somewhat incomprehensible.  It is not like they are recent arrivals.  They are as a whole quiet, respectful and very family oriented.  And non confrontational by my experience.  The specter of the Japanese internment was still an open wound during my childhood there.  The Asian influence I gained in my childhood there has become a large part of my fabric and being and an early positive influence that I have taken with me my whole life.  The black community in this area are recent arrivals compared to the long history of the Asians (Chinese and Japanese) that date back to the Gold Rush days of California, since before it became a state.  I have a hard time seeing how the local Black community can have a bone to pick with the local Asian community at any level other than jealousy of their hard fought and earned achievements.  They have suffered just as much as Black Americans and even more recently, having been locked up just because of their race even though they were American citizens.

Having kept an eye on things there from afar I can only conclude that this woman has a complete lack of any sense of history including more importantly, the local history and some serious entitlement issues that have no place in public service, especially in education dealing with people she openly hates and evidently purely on racist grounds.  She needs to go and even further, made an example of.

imho ...
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Posted: Mar 24, 2021 - 4:14am

irony? neo-racist alison collins hate comes back to haunt her?

"We've been silenced by ignorant comments like this for far too long. Our efforts have been minimized for far too long. We've been gaslighted, scapegoated and invisiblized for far too long," Lam said at the meeting. "Words matter and the example we set, as entrusted by voters to have compassion and care about the kids we represent must be demonstrated with words and actions. I'm not alone when I say that I do not have confidence in Commissioner Collins' ability to govern a school district that is almost half AAPI with no bias."

"Commissioner Allison Collins' statement regarding the Asian American community is dangerous, hurtful and unbecoming," Moliga said. "I am requesting Commissioner Collins to take accountability for the racist statements, issue a heartfelt apology and gracefully resign from the SF Board of Education. This critical step will ensure that our communities and our students can begin recentering and healing."






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Posted: Mar 23, 2021 - 1:44pm


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Posted: Mar 23, 2021 - 10:26am

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Posted: Mar 23, 2021 - 4:48am



 sirdroseph wrote:

We swim in the same Youtube waters. Sowell's work will continue thanks to the new black intellectuals that are rising.
{#Clap}
 

don't know all of sowell's stuff

i'm sure there are some things i probably disagree with (immigration?)

i've read a lot of his work/insight on history, economics and race and it is quite informative

the fact that he was a marxist when he was young and later dropped that belief has put a target on his work

coleman's grasp on reason and logic is very refreshing, wisdom beyond his years

he's doing some very good work   https://www.fairforall.org/
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Posted: Mar 23, 2021 - 4:21am

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there's a huge difference between the civil rights movement and the current stuff we see today

 
We swim in the same Youtube waters. Sowell's work will continue thanks to the new black intellectuals that are rising.{#Clap}
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Posted: Mar 23, 2021 - 4:07am

there's a huge difference between the civil rights movement and the current stuff we see today


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Posted: Mar 22, 2021 - 12:51pm

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 sirdroseph wrote:
 
I get the point about media/people/lefties...throwing out the race card any chance they get, but...
was there any evidence the black teens were racially motivated?
 
Absolutely none, it is irrelevant to the point.  It is the amount and slant of coverage of all acts of violence that take place even well before all of the facts are out regarding motive being dependent almost exclusively on the color of the skin of the perpetrator and of the victim that is at issue here.  In other words take the exact same incident where the victim and the assailants reverse in ethnicity and the gulf that traverses the difference in amount and type of media coverage and public response is quite expansive indeed.{#Eek}
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Posted: Mar 22, 2021 - 12:32pm



 sirdroseph wrote:
 
I get the point about media/people/lefties...throwing out the race card any chance they get, but...
was there any evidence the black teens were racially motivated?


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Posted: Mar 22, 2021 - 12:30pm



 rgio wrote:


 Steely_D wrote:
You know, I think that framing this guy who killed 8 people into a racist thing is missing the point. It's also diluting the message of racism by applying it too liberally, in circumstances where it doesn't belong.

Not all of the victims were Asian, so it's a little illogical to say he was specifically targeting them because of their race. In fact, he says it wasn't because of their race. ("but we shouldn't listen to his narrative!")

Instead, he targeted sex workers who were predominantly - in this setting - Asian women. So he's a violent loon who thought he should kill these people for whatever reason. But it wasn't an anti-Asian rampage at all.

So to keep the message of Asian racism attacks coherent, because they've been a huge problem in the CA Bay Area, they need to not fold this mass murder into that narrative.
 
Mr. Oliver...your rebuttal?


 

Quoting a bad cops bad press conference doesnt = racism.
I'm not saying it wasn't racist, but... have these questions all been answered:
did the shooter actually shout racist comments?
or, did he say it was because of his self loathing, sex habit?

The 2nd half of olivers rant just conflated the issue, and doesnt add any weight one way or the other.
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Posted: Mar 22, 2021 - 11:53am

Cherokee sheriff’s Capt. Jay Baker was removed as spokesman for the case after telling reporters the day after the shootings that Long had “a really bad day” and “this is what he did.” A Facebook page appearing to belong to Baker promoted a T-shirt with racist language about China and the coronavirus last year.

Sheriff Frank Reynolds released a statement acknowledging that some of Baker’s comments stirred “much debate and anger” and said the agency regretted any “heartache” caused by his words.

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Posted: Mar 22, 2021 - 11:20am



 miamizsun wrote:


don't know a lot about it

was waiting for the data to come out

but yes we are surrounded with narratives
 
The police detaining the husband of one of the victims cuffed (and a customer himself), for hours. Didn't even tell him that his wife (getting a massage in another room) was dead.

Name: Gonzalez. 


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Posted: Mar 22, 2021 - 11:10am



 Steely_D wrote:
You know, I think that framing this guy who killed 8 people into a racist thing is missing the point. It's also diluting the message of racism by applying it too liberally, in circumstances where it doesn't belong.

Not all of the victims were Asian, so it's a little illogical to say he was specifically targeting them because of their race. In fact, he says it wasn't because of their race. ("but we shouldn't listen to his narrative!")

Instead, he targeted sex workers who were predominantly - in this setting - Asian women. So he's a violent loon who thought he should kill these people for whatever reason. But it wasn't an anti-Asian rampage at all.

So to keep the message of Asian racism attacks coherent, because they've been a huge problem in the CA Bay Area, they need to not fold this mass murder into that narrative.
 
Mr. Oliver...your rebuttal?


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Posted: Mar 22, 2021 - 10:52am

 black321 wrote:
I knew there would be those who  drag trump into this.
Racism & trump = sales
 
Buyer's remorse is a biotch!
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Posted: Mar 22, 2021 - 10:43am

 black321 wrote:


 Steely_D wrote:
You know, I think that framing this guy who killed 8 people into a racist thing is missing the point. It's also diluting the message of racism by applying it too liberally, in circumstances where it doesn't belong.

Not all of the victims were Asian, so it's a little illogical to say he was specifically targeting them because of their race. In fact, he says it wasn't because of their race. ("but we shouldn't listen to his narrative!")

Instead, he targeted sex workers who were predominantly - in this setting - Asian women. So he's a violent loon who thought he should kill these people for whatever reason. But it wasn't an anti-Asian rampage at all.

So to keep the message of Asian racism attacks coherent, because they've been a huge problem in the CA Bay Area, they need to not fold this mass murder into that narrative.
 
Agreed.
Correlation does not = causation

And as the story below shows 
I knew there would be those who  drag trump into this.
Racism & trump = sales

 

don't know a lot about it

was waiting for the data to come out

but yes we are surrounded with narratives
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Posted: Mar 22, 2021 - 10:17am



 Steely_D wrote:
You know, I think that framing this guy who killed 8 people into a racist thing is missing the point. It's also diluting the message of racism by applying it too liberally, in circumstances where it doesn't belong.

Not all of the victims were Asian, so it's a little illogical to say he was specifically targeting them because of their race. In fact, he says it wasn't because of their race. ("but we shouldn't listen to his narrative!")

Instead, he targeted sex workers who were predominantly - in this setting - Asian women. So he's a violent loon who thought he should kill these people for whatever reason. But it wasn't an anti-Asian rampage at all.

So to keep the message of Asian racism attacks coherent, because they've been a huge problem in the CA Bay Area, they need to not fold this mass murder into that narrative.
 
Agreed.
Correlation does not = causation

And as the story below shows 
I knew there would be those who  drag trump into this.
Racism & trump = sales

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Posted: Mar 22, 2021 - 10:09am

The Atlanta attacks were not just racist and misogynist, they painfully reflect the society we live in
I am heartbroken but I’m not surprised.

The targeted killing of eight women in Atlanta, six of them Asian, is a brutal result of decades-long exclusion and oppression, legitimized in law and colonial reverberations, that allow a white-dominated settler society to thrive, justifying differential treatment of racialized migrants.

Let’s unpack this a bit

Many blame former U.S. president Donald Trump for calling COVID-19 the “Asian flu,” “Kung Flu” and “China Virus,” among other terms, for this increase in violent attacks and harassment. And while it’s certainly contributed, these violent attacks, harassment and hate expressed against people of Asian descent did not begin with Trump or the pandemic.

Here is where the toolkit built by critical race and feminist theorists can help us understand that the tragic deaths of these women are not new, not isolated, but represent racist, misogynist violence and are reflective of the society we live in.

Those who were killed were targeted not only because of their race and gender but also because of their perceived work and immigration status.

In other words, they were targeted because of their intersectional identities. (...)

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