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Posted: Feb 21, 2024 - 12:45pm

 rgio wrote:



Similar specs...I always like Lenovo's/Thinkpads.  Their site runs some deals...like this....30% off (whether that's real or not I can't comment).

Lenovo

EDIT - a larger one...with similar specs at half the price.


rgio - thank you for the advice. I looked at those and they are a bit pricey but I'm sure they are worth it!

I talked to the IT specialist at my university (I'm emeritus so still connected there). He reminded me that I need a graphics card (NVIDIA or AMD). So, I went off on a search and found something that I think will work, essentially a gaming computer.

HP Victus Gaming Laptop, 15.6" FHD 144Hz IPS Display, Intel Core i5-13420H, 32GB RAM, 1TB PCIe SSD, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050, Backlit Keyboard, Wi-Fi 6, Win 11 Pro, Blue, 32GB Hotface USB Card

So, I'll let you all know how it goes.

    rgio

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    Posted: Feb 21, 2024 - 11:38am



     geoff_morphini wrote:

    Hi all, I'm about to purchase a Windows laptop (my first in many years). I need it to run some GIS software and my wife is going to be using it for some microscope camera proprietary software. I'm quite familiar with Windows, having used it in my work, just haven't bought one myself. I thought some of you might have some advice.

    Here's what I'd like - 32GB ram, 1TB SSD, i7 Intel (could go with equivalent AMD), 15" or less (touchscreen not important), relatively lightweight

    Here's one I'm looking at 

    HP Pavilion 15 Laptop, 12th Generation Intel Core i7-1255U Processor, 32 GB RAM, 1 TB SSD, 15.6" Full HD Display, Fingerprint Reader, Wi-Fi & Bluetooth, HD Webcam,Backlit Keyboard,Windows 11 Pro


    I appreciate your input. I don't want to spend an arm and a leg on it, just want a good functioning laptop for limited use. Our everyday computers will still be Macs.

    Thanks




    Similar specs...I always like Lenovo's/Thinkpads.  Their site runs some deals...like this....30% off (whether that's real or not I can't comment).

    Lenovo

    EDIT - a larger one...with similar specs at half the price.
    geoff_morphini

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    Posted: Feb 21, 2024 - 11:14am

    Hi all, I'm about to purchase a Windows laptop (my first in many years). I need it to run some GIS software and my wife is going to be using it for some microscope camera proprietary software. I'm quite familiar with Windows, having used it in my work, just haven't bought one myself. I thought some of you might have some advice.

    Here's what I'd like - 32GB ram, 1TB SSD, i7 Intel (could go with equivalent AMD), 15" or less (touchscreen not important), relatively lightweight

    Here's one I'm looking at 

    HP Pavilion 15 Laptop, 12th Generation Intel Core i7-1255U Processor, 32 GB RAM, 1 TB SSD, 15.6" Full HD Display, Fingerprint Reader, Wi-Fi & Bluetooth, HD Webcam,Backlit Keyboard,Windows 11 Pro


    I appreciate your input. I don't want to spend an arm and a leg on it, just want a good functioning laptop for limited use. Our everyday computers will still be Macs.

    Thanks



    Beaker

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    Posted: Feb 17, 2024 - 8:58am

     kurtster wrote:
    The OS drives are Samsung 500 GB SSD 870 EVO's. One has been in service for a few years and the other that I just cloned it to is a brand new spare that has been sitting around for moments like this. Been using SSD's for the OS for nearly 10 years even though XP is not really set up for them.

    If you're using SSDs on XP, then you're very likely missing out on the firmware upgrades, almost always highly recommended.  Samsung Magician (and other SSD fw update utils, AFAIR) doesn't support XP, which means to upgrade the drive firmware, you'll need to pull the drive out and stuff it into something, like your SATA dock, and get it to talk to a newer OS.

     kurtster wrote:
    There are 4 / 2TB drives with about 4 partitions on each of them. I never did get the alleged XP fix to see drives bigger than 2TB running though. That alone would simplify my life cuz even with 8TB's I'm running low on space. I would love to put in 4 / 4TB drives.

    Good lord man!  Why aren't you deploying a 4 bay NAS?  It's doable, even with an outdated and insecure OS like XP.
    Offload the storage hosting to a more reliable device, compatible with anything.  Then your XP box is easier to maintain, which I assume you are using due to an obsolete version of some app managing your data/music.  NAS config isn't very hard.  Setting up a simple network with a NAS as a file server isn't hard, and costs are trivial, other than the acquisition cost of a suitable NAS.  On the cheap - buy a name brand used NAS and start there.

     kurtster wrote:
    Upon further thought ... when I initially got things somewhat up and running, I had disconnected the other 4 HDD's so that the only thing the BIOS could see was the OS drive. When I reconnected the 4 HDD's is likely when the BIOS boot order got reset

    Having a NAS holding your data will greatly simplify your life.  And a four bay NAS can be easily configured for RAID 1 mirroring (up to 2 sets of 2 HDDS) or RAID6.  Data protection built in - plus the ability to use the largest drives on the market.  With your NAS up and running, then you could focus on simplifying the XP box, and even cloning the XP box to a spare if/when the XP box decides to die.

    kurtster

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    Posted: Feb 16, 2024 - 1:06pm

     Beaker wrote:
     Unplug all USB stuff when reloading an image or reverting to a system restore point.  Reset bios to defaults.  Ensure your boot order in the bios is correct. Use minimal hardware config, until the OS is up and running.  It's important that you determine how this happened.  Accidental deletion of boot files, or a hard drive that is starting to fail - and can no longer see the boot sector.  You may wish to switch to a known good HDD before reloading the image.  Ensure your boot HDD is detecting properly in the bios.  Your MBR may be corrupt (poss HDD failing)  Fix your MBR. Reference link
     
    Thanks.  The OS drives are Samsung 500 GB SSD 870 EVO's. One has been in service for a few years and the other that I just cloned it to is a brand new spare that has been sitting around for moments like this.  Been using SSD's for the OS for nearly 10 years even though XP is not really set up for them.  Made it very much faster though.  I know about not defragging them and turning off the indexing function and some other adjustments for using SSD's.  All my HDD's are WD Blacks.  There are 4 / 2TB drives with about 4 partitions on each of them.  I never did get the alleged XP fix to see drives bigger than 2TB running though.  That alone would simplify my life cuz even with 8TB's I'm running low on space.  I would love to put in 4 / 4TB drives.  I just got done replacing 3 of the 2TB drives as a couple of them were 10 years old.  Got one more to do that was installed in 12 / 2018.

    The fix MBR I see a warning about deleting all of the partitions on the drive.  That would be a problem since all of the add on program software is on the other partition.  That way if I needed to do a reimage, it would be the OS only and the programs remain intact and fully functional without reinstalling them on the other partition.  It works as I have had to do this several times over the years.  In fact having the OS only on a separate partition is how the rest of my newer computers are set up, again for the same reason.

    I believe that when the USB crashed, I went and dug up the old master SSD which was only a 128 GB Samsung 850 Pro and the BOIS read it as a new drive and that is how it got reset.  Hopefully with now having a matched set of OS SSD drives this will no longer be a problem.

    Your advice on unplugging all USB devices for a restore is good advice and I saw that elsewhere during looking up stuff during this adventure.

    When I have some spare time, I'll break out the OS disc and try and run the Repair function and see what happens.  I will have the working back up clone in case it takes out the other partition.  My cloning capable SATA dock has been a life saver.

    Cheers !

    Upon further thought ... when I initially got things somewhat up and running, I had disconnected the other 4 HDD's so that the only thing the BIOS could see was the OS drive.  When I reconnected the 4 HDD's is likely when the BIOS boot order got reset
    Beaker

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    Posted: Feb 16, 2024 - 12:22pm

     kurtster wrote:

    Egads.  So here I am a two days later getting what I thought was things settled down.  Cloned back up and put in new optical drives.

    So put the OS drive back in and back to ntdlr.  Restart, enter bios again, find the right drive to boot and in.  Restart, back to ntdlr.  Restart into bios and look at boot settings find the boot OS is not an option for power 1 or 2.  Ok now what.  Never had this problem before.  Kept looking and found the power option settings and made the OS drive power 1 boot permanent.  Fixed. (I hope)  Never went that deep into the BIOS before.  Never had to.  How the BIOS got altered, I have no clue.

    The other problem with the USB plug and play drivers was the Error message, "This device cannot start. (Code 10)"  Common for USB and especially audio functions.  Some how it affected all kinds of things and was not resolved until I tried to reset the driver.

    So I then remember that XP still had the good old System Restore ability, and made a restore point for this happy time.  Sigh.  So clone the OS again and I think I'm done (in) and for now.

    Cheers !


    Unplug all USB stuff when reloading an image or reverting to a system restore point.  Reset bios to defaults.  Ensure your boot order in the bios is correct. Use minimal hardware config, until the OS is up and running. 

    It's important that you determine how this happened.  Accidental deletion of boot files, or a hard drive that is starting to fail - and can no longer see the boot sector.  You may wish to switch to a known good HDD before reloading the image.  Ensure your boot HDD is detecting properly in the bios.  Your MBR may be corrupt (poss HDD failing)  Fix your MBR.

    Reference link
    kurtster

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    Posted: Feb 16, 2024 - 12:03pm

     R_P wrote:
     kurtster wrote:

    ntldr is missing windows xp


    Check BIOS settings to see if your primary boot device is setup correctly and/or that you have a diskette/cd-rom inserted from which it is trying to boot instead.
     
    Egads.  So here I am a two days later getting what I thought was things settled down.  Cloned back up and put in new optical drives.

    So put the OS drive back in and back to ntdlr.  Restart, enter bios again, find the right drive to boot and in.  Restart, back to ntdlr.  Restart into bios and look at boot settings find the boot OS is not an option for power 1 or 2.  Ok now what.  Never had this problem before.  Kept looking and found the power option settings and made the OS drive power 1 boot permanent.  Fixed. (I hope)  Never went that deep into the BIOS before.  Never had to.  How the BIOS got altered, I have no clue.

    The other problem with the USB plug and play drivers was the Error message, "This device cannot start. (Code 10)"  Common for USB and especially audio functions.  Some how it affected all kinds of things and was not resolved until I tried to reset the driver.

    So I then remember that XP still had the good old System Restore ability, and made a restore point for this happy time.  Sigh.  So clone the OS again and I think I'm done (in) and for now.

    Cheers !
    kurtster

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    Posted: Feb 15, 2024 - 2:15am

     pete_shakey wrote:
     kurtster wrote:

    Been thru that.   Same message on 2 copies on separate SDDs.  Cloned one again on a brand new SDD and attempting a repair.  Got the clone to open up to normal, after getting no devices found at boot up which is most disturbing.   Should have gone into disk management and checked to see what the drives were assigned.  Ooops. Either the motherboard is flaking out or I don't know what else yet.  Last resort is another fresh SDD and try to do a total install from scratch. Gonna be a long (er) night.
    This link may help avoid full recovery.
    https://www.lifewire.com/resto...
     
    Thanks.  Already tried several methods similar to this.  The repair gets stuck at a certain point and will not move on.  I've got to look at the boot drive and see what letter it is assigned and if it is not C for some reason, reassign it somehow and try again, otherwise its going to be a total reinstall.  It is not a total loss as the only thing on the C partition is the XP OS, everything else is on other partitions and other drives. 

    Just got the clone to light up and C is C as it should be.  Still ain't right yet though.

    Update :  Fixed.  Not quite sure how.  Overcame the NTLDR with the clone and having the XP OS disc for boot from and it kept going.  The original problem was the USB phono preamp ADC quit working properly.  It was there, but the signal wasn't coming into the PC.  Even pulled out my back up ADC never used, same problem. Then the ADC was not even listed. Tried driver updates.  The last one was the USB Plug and Play driver.   That seemed to be the one.  The mouse has quit working a lot lately and had to get out a spare, then had to switch ports and reboot to get the old one working again.  Been lots of static and the power has been dicey with surges and stuff.  USB 2.0 audio is touchy all by itself.  So 7 hours later.  Yay.  Playing with OS discs the old fashioned way.  Time to retire the two opticals and replace them and clone the C drive that's working for the next time.  This has happened a couple of other times over the years but it is so long in between I forget how I fix it.  That's why I have a safety clone on standby.  But it didn't work this time.  Getting too old for this stuff.
    pete_shakey

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    Posted: Feb 15, 2024 - 1:41am

     kurtster wrote:

    Been thru that.   Same message on 2 copies on separate SDDs.  Cloned one again on a brand new SDD and attempting a repair.  Got the clone to open up to normal, after getting no devices found at boot up which is most disturbing.   Should have gone into disk management and checked to see what the drives were assigned.  Ooops.

    Either the motherboard is flaking out or I don't know what else yet.  Last resort is another fresh SDD and try to do a total install from scratch.

    Gonna be a long (er) night.


    This link may help avoid full recovery.
    https://www.lifewire.com/resto...
    kurtster

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    Posted: Feb 15, 2024 - 12:19am

     R_P wrote:
     kurtster wrote:

    ntldr is missing windows xp


    Check BIOS settings to see if your primary boot device is setup correctly and/or that you have a diskette/cd-rom inserted from which it is trying to boot instead.
     
    Been thru that.   Same message on 2 copies on separate SDDs.  Cloned one again on a brand new SDD and attempting a repair.  Got the clone to open up to normal, after getting no devices found at boot up which is most disturbing.   Should have gone into disk management and checked to see what the drives were assigned.  Ooops.

    Either the motherboard is flaking out or I don't know what else yet.  Last resort is another fresh SDD and try to do a total install from scratch.

    Gonna be a long (er) night.
    R_P

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    Posted: Feb 14, 2024 - 11:19pm

     kurtster wrote:

    ntldr is missing windows xp


    Check BIOS settings to see if your primary boot device is setup correctly and/or that you have a diskette/cd-rom inserted from which it is trying to boot instead.

    kurtster

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    Posted: Feb 14, 2024 - 10:43pm

    ntldr is missing windows xp
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    Posted: Jan 5, 2023 - 7:56am

     westslope wrote:

    Help please.

    I am looking for an 'App' that would allow text communication between an iPad and an Android smartphone or Windows 10 PC Workstation.

    The owner of the iPad does not have an iPhone.  I mention this because apparently if you have an iPhone, you can sync to an iPad and get WhatsApp to work.

    The owner of the iPad lives in a provincial hospice, lost both legs to a CN freight train a couple of years ago and has limited use of his hands.   I occasionally visit this man and bring him edibles.

    I am the one with the android and windows devices and would rather not have to buy an iPhone.

    Suggestions?



    If the iPad owner has a cellphone they can text from the iPad if they're logged into their Apple ID *and* have enabled SMS messaging in the "Messages" app. 

    rgio

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    Posted: Jan 5, 2023 - 5:17am

     westslope wrote:

    Help please.

    I am looking for an 'App' that would allow text communication between an iPad and an Android smartphone or Windows 10 PC Workstation.

    The owner of the iPad does not have an iPhone.  I mention this because apparently if you have an iPhone, you can sync to an iPad and get WhatsApp to work.

    The owner of the iPad lives in a provincial hospice, lost both legs to a CN freight train a couple of years ago and has limited use of his hands.   I occasionally visit this man and bring him edibles.

    I am the one with the android and windows devices and would rather not have to buy an iPhone.

    Suggestions?


    I used Pulse for several years, and it worked great.   

    https://home.pulsesms.app/over...

    Instructions on setting up an IOS alternative are here:  https://home.pulsesms.app/over...


    thisbody

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    Posted: Jan 5, 2023 - 2:08am

     westslope wrote:

    Help please.

    I am looking for an 'App' that would allow text communication between an iPad and an Android smartphone or Windows 10 PC Workstation.

    The owner of the iPad does not have an iPhone.  I mention this because apparently if you have an iPhone, you can sync to an iPad and get WhatsApp to work.

    The owner of the iPad lives in a provincial hospice, lost both legs to a CN freight train a couple of years ago and has limited use of his hands.   I occasionally visit this man and bring him edibles.

    I am the one with the android and windows devices and would rather not have to buy an iPhone.

    Suggestions?




    What about good old Email?
    Other than that, you could install Whatsapp on your Android (provided it is installed on the iPad and phone).
    Same goes for Signal Messenger, as well as other messenger apps.
    westslope

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    Posted: Jan 4, 2023 - 4:05pm

    Help please.

    I am looking for an 'App' that would allow text communication between an iPad and an Android smartphone or Windows 10 PC Workstation.

    The owner of the iPad does not have an iPhone.  I mention this because apparently if you have an iPhone, you can sync to an iPad and get WhatsApp to work.

    The owner of the iPad lives in a provincial hospice, lost both legs to a CN freight train a couple of years ago and has limited use of his hands.   I occasionally visit this man and bring him edibles.

    I am the one with the android and windows devices and would rather not have to buy an iPhone.

    Suggestions?

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    Posted: Dec 3, 2022 - 3:18pm

     ScottFromWyoming wrote:


    Well even more basic than that. The "missing" color book from Adobe that is the biggie is Pantone Solid Coated. That is a recipe book —literally— for printers to mix a wide range of spot color inks. Using a palette of uniform base colors, you would weigh out 3 parts Rubine, 1 part black, 1 part cobalt blue and get, I dunno, Pantone 498. The customer in Schenectady and the designer in LA and the printer in Taos are all looking at the same swatch in their (expensive) Pantone guides, so there are no surprises—as long as the guy mixing the ink knows how to use a scale and do a drawdown. 

    Pantone came out with a Process formula book that was all CMYK values, but it was different from Solid Coated and everyone referred to Solid Color numbers even though those were supposed to be spot colors only. Anyway, computers allowed people to export CMYK renditions of Solid Coated spot colors and everyone was happy even though those conversions aren't valid: your CMS settings can play havoc with how they're converted. So now rather than use the Process book, design firms specify a PMS color (Solid Coated) and then give what they want as a CMYK equivalent. So yes, access to Pantone for most designers is not needed; we only need that CMYK formula. Which should change depending on the paper used, but absolutely zero agencies address this, so I guess no one is as anal retentive about consistency as they used to be in the 80s when designers got flown around the world to do press checks. Before my time, unfortunately, but I have a friend who works for —Adobe— and she still gets to go on press checks in Vietnam.


    I almost got to go somewhere East when I was doing the watery bum cleaning toilet attachment work but after almost 2 years of paying me 70/hour they put someone on the payroll full time. I wasn't offered the job. I couldn't have commuted that far anyway. Story of my life. Lucky they tolerated me such as they did. 

    ScottFromWyoming

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    Posted: Dec 2, 2022 - 3:35pm

     rgio wrote:
    Pantone was founded in the 1960's to standardize color naming and application so businesses could share an understanding of the exact same thing without having to be in the same room.  They don't own the colors, but if you want to use their language you need to pay for it...especially in business.  There are plenty of other ways to share color now (RGB, Hex, etc,),  but if you want to use their naming scheme, you have to pay for it


    Well even more basic than that. The "missing" color book from Adobe that is the biggie is Pantone Solid Coated. That is a recipe book —literally— for printers to mix a wide range of spot color inks. Using a palette of uniform base colors, you would weigh out 3 parts Rubine, 1 part black, 1 part cobalt blue and get, I dunno, Pantone 498. The customer in Schenectady and the designer in LA and the printer in Taos are all looking at the same swatch in their (expensive) Pantone guides, so there are no surprises—as long as the guy mixing the ink knows how to use a scale and do a drawdown. 

    Pantone came out with a Process formula book that was all CMYK values, but it was different from Solid Coated and everyone referred to Solid Color numbers even though those were supposed to be spot colors only. Anyway, computers allowed people to export CMYK renditions of Solid Coated spot colors and everyone was happy even though those conversions aren't valid: your CMS settings can play havoc with how they're converted. So now rather than use the Process book, design firms specify a PMS color (Solid Coated) and then give what they want as a CMYK equivalent. So yes, access to Pantone for most designers is not needed; we only need that CMYK formula. Which should change depending on the paper used, but absolutely zero agencies address this, so I guess no one is as anal retentive about consistency as they used to be in the 80s when designers got flown around the world to do press checks. Before my time, unfortunately, but I have a friend who works for —Adobe— and she still gets to go on press checks in Vietnam.
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    Posted: Dec 2, 2022 - 12:41pm

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    There are plenty of other ways to share color now (RGB, Hex, etc,),  but if you want to use their naming scheme, you have to pay for it.  

    They aren't selling water in the desert, they're selling sand with names on it.  If you don't want theirs, grab some of the free stuff.

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    Posted: Dec 2, 2022 - 12:36pm

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    So you clearly don't understand the problem that Pantone solves. Or how the dying dead-trees printing industry means fewer people have that problem. Pantone will likely die in our lifetimes and maybe Adobe is putting a boot to their neck deliberately, but it's not surprising that Pantone would try to come up with a way to keep their income up. Do I wish Adobe would have kept up? Sure. And like I said, I don't know why they haven't. Probably a sweetheart deal from decades ago that Pantone wasn't making any money off of. The short version is: I don't need Pantone. It's nice, but not $20/month nice, and I'm sure 95% of Adobe users haven't ever thought about it. But that 5% who do need it? $20/month is a no-brainer. Pantone's probably done their math and said something like "If we were getting 50¢/month per user on the old contract, then $20/month for 5% of all users will double our income." It's not greed, it's just numbers.

    Saying it's a thing that can't be owned is like saying "how can they charge for cookbooks when I already have all the ingredients?" and then complaining when your chocolate chip cookies taste terrible because you put chicken in them.


    I do understand what calibrating of device colors (sreen, printer) means. I have no preferences there, as you seem to. I don't publish anything, anymore nowadays. But I do know, Adobe, as well as Pantone aren't needed if one is serious about professional output in desktop publishing. It only may seem more comfortable, and that comfort comes with a price.
    Regardless of - that's the way we've been used to doing it on Windows for decades...    

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