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Posted: May 10, 2012 - 7:30am

 hippiechick wrote:

He's starting his own FB page to show that women support him and what he says, and it's called

wait for it

Babes Sluts for Rush Limbaugh

I didn't make this up, I heard him say it on Rachel last night. 

 


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Posted: May 10, 2012 - 7:27am

 hippiechick wrote:

I personally think this was a carefully constructed plan, with Joebiden softening up the statement, then David Axelrod making his statement, and then Obama making his.

 


I would tend to agree with you. It's often obvious how timed things are and we all know that's what political strategists are for.

To Obama's detractors calling this empty because of his essentially relegating this to a state issue I say this; if you are for gay rights it is better that Obama enter into political gamesmanship than to commit further political suicide and allow in Romney who didn't miss the chtance to reaffirm his homophobia and his assertion that he has the moral certitude to stomp on civil rights and deny gay marriage.
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Posted: May 10, 2012 - 5:41am

Oops! Shep Smith blew the door open at Fox, making them change their headline

Fox News Anchor Shep Smith Says Obama “Now in 21st Century” on Gay Marriage; Calls Those Who Oppose it “On Wrong Side of History”


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Posted: May 10, 2012 - 5:34am

Great Daily Show piece, with a little Pee Wee Herman thrown in

 
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Posted: May 10, 2012 - 5:14am

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The more important question is how many ditto heads will he lose? Answer......0 {#Rolleyes}

 
He's starting his own FB page to show that women support him and what he says, and it's called

wait for it

Babes for Rush Limbaugh

I didn't make this up, I heard him say it on Rachel last night. 
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Posted: May 10, 2012 - 5:12am

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this man should really consider shutting the fuck up.  every time he opens his mouth he makes a bigger ass of himself.

 

The more important question is how many ditto heads will he lose? Answer......0 {#Rolleyes}
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Posted: May 10, 2012 - 5:10am

 justlistening wrote:

Better late than never. And, thank you VP Biden for having no filter on what you say and forcing Pres. Obama's hand.

 
I personally think this was a carefully constructed plan, with Joebiden softening up the statement, then David Axelrod making his statement, and then Obama making his.
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Posted: May 10, 2012 - 4:56am

 oldslabsides wrote:


this man should really consider shutting the fuck up.  every time he opens his mouth he makes a bigger ass of himself.

 
i've often wondered who made the decision to put this guy on armed forces radio

or why we should even have an armed forces radio (or any government radio)

 

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Posted: May 10, 2012 - 4:49am



this man should really consider shutting the fuck up.  every time he opens his mouth he makes a bigger ass of himself.
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Posted: May 10, 2012 - 4:36am

Some folks are calling Obama out on political double speak...

Civil Rights

Barack Obama’s Bullshit Gay Marriage Announcement


ABC News has only released one brief clip of Obama's conversation about gay marriage today, but it seems fairly clear from the network's coverage that his announcement amounts to much less than meets the eye. He now believes that gay couples should be able to marry. He doesn't believe they have a right to do so.This is like saying that black children and white children ought to attend the same schools, but if the people of Alabama reject that notion—what are you gonna do?

The key language in the ABC News write-up is this:

The president stressed that this is a personal position, and that he still supports the concept of states deciding the issue on their own.

On this afternoon's special broadcast, Jake Tapper echoed that point: "The president said he thought this was a state-by-state issue."

Well, before Roe v. Wade, abortion was a state-by-state issue, too. So was slavery. There are 44 states in which gay men and women are currently barred from marrying one another. Obama's position is that, while he would have voted the other way, those 44 states are perfectly within their rights to arbitrarily restrict the access of certain individuals to marriage rights based solely on their sexual orientation.

That is a half-assed, cowardly cop-out. There are currently at least three cases winding their way toward federal courts that address the issue of whether (among other things) the equal protection clause of the constitution guarantees gay men and women the same access to marriage rights as heterosexual men and women—the Proposition 8 case, in which David Boies and Ted Olson challenged California's ban on gay marriage, and several challenges to the Defense of Marriage Act, which bars gay men and woman from receiving federal marriage benefits and allows states to refuse to recognize valid gay marriages. Obama's Justice Department has admirably declined to defend the constitutionality of DOMA. But the position he enunciated today is in opposition to Boies and Olson: Obama is saying that if he were a judge, he would have rejected Boies and Olson's constitutional arguments and affirmed the right of Californians to enshrine bigotry in their state constitution.

Equality is not a state-by-state issue. There is no reason other than ignorance and hatred that two men can get married in New York and not North Carolina. At a time when vindictive hucksters are rolling out anti-gay marriage amendments across the nation, and when conflicting state and federal laws portend an insoluble morass of divorce, custody, and estate issues, and when gay Americans are turning to the U.S. Constitution and the courts to seek an affirmation of their humanity, "it's a state-by-state issue" is a shameful dodge.

Is it a politically wise dodge? Maybe. This was obviously a hastily arranged interview—we're told that ABC News' Robin Roberts, who is close to Michelle Obama, was only tapped in the last 48 hours by the White House to come down—designed to clean up the mess left by Biden's pro-gay marriage comments in as advantageous way as possible. And for Obama to declare that he considers North Carolina and other states' bans on gay marriage to be unconstitutional would probably energize the GOP base. But those bans are unconstitutional. And anyone who supports their legitimacy—as Obama just did, in no uncertain terms—even if they oppose the policy, is adopting the retrograde position in the contemporary gay marriage debate. Obama is moving backward, not forward.


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Posted: May 9, 2012 - 8:54pm

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Better late than never. And, thank you VP Biden for having no filter on what you say and forcing Pres. Obama's hand.

 
Yep!
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Posted: May 9, 2012 - 8:39pm

Oh and North Carolina, shameful, just shameful . It makes me embarrased for you and angry.
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Posted: May 9, 2012 - 8:36pm

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THANK YOU, PRESIDENT OBAMA!

 


Better late than never. And, thank you VP Biden for having no filter on what you say and forcing Pres. Obama's hand.
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Posted: May 9, 2012 - 7:41pm

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She's got a very slow pulse.
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Posted: May 9, 2012 - 7:39pm

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Forgive if it's been posted before.



"...but dear god, we should not be putting civil rights issues to a popular vote, to be subject to the sentiments, the passions, of the day."

 
he's got that right
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Posted: May 9, 2012 - 7:25pm

Forgive if it's been posted before.



"...but dear god, we should not be putting civil rights issues to a popular vote, to be subject to the sentiments, the passions, of the day."


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Posted: May 9, 2012 - 7:17pm

 Manbird wrote:

Yes. It was a sliver.

 

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Posted: May 9, 2012 - 7:13pm

 oldviolin wrote:

what, no kiss?

 
Yes. It was a sliver.
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Posted: May 9, 2012 - 7:09pm

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it's official

i just banned NC

 
what, no kiss?
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Posted: May 9, 2012 - 7:05pm

it's official

i just banned NC
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