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westslope

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Posted: Dec 21, 2021 - 11:26am

 Steely_D wrote:

........

Does that remind you of any other terrorist organization that rhymes with Jaliban?




If the Taliban is a "terrorist organization" then so is the USA.  If fact, the USA is the world's greatest terrorist nation-state. 

Nobody kills civilians like the American state does.  Nobody.   When it comes to killing innocent civilians, America is the GREATEST.  


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Posted: Dec 21, 2021 - 10:14am

"Ambush"
"Kill shot"
"Boom! He is dead! He is dead!"
yes, this is metaphor. An extremely poorly chosen, but intentional, one.

Basically telling the frothing not-very-subtle Second Amendment Remedies base "We disagree and so we should kill you."

Does that remind you of any other terrorist organization that rhymes with Jaliban?


rgio

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Posted: Dec 21, 2021 - 10:00am

 kurtster wrote:

Yer full - o -shit, as usual. 

Actually, more than usual.

I say that based upon what I read at the link you posted.



See for yourself... then let us know who's full of shit.  The Fauci comments start around the 1 min. mark.

You can agree with all of the conspiracy BS about GOF...but does this guy basically tell a large audience that someone should kill Fauci?

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Posted: Dec 21, 2021 - 9:35am

 kurtster wrote:

Yer full - o -shit, as usual. 

Actually, more than usual.

I say that based upon what I read at the link you posted.


Not sure how you can read what he posted and watch the video from TPUSA and not come away thinking this Watters guy is a criminal but hey, you're The Amazing Kurtster™, contortionist extraordinaire.
kurtster

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Posted: Dec 21, 2021 - 9:26am

 Red_Dragon wrote: 
Yer full - o -shit, as usual. 

Actually, more than usual.

I say that based upon what I read at the link you posted.
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Posted: Dec 21, 2021 - 7:51am

Jesse Watters encourages right-wing zealots to assassinate Anthony Fauci
black321

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Posted: Dec 8, 2021 - 8:52am

 Red_Dragon wrote:

Think this belongs in a homeless thread instead (person who set the fire was homeless).
Too many cities are not doing enough to humanely handle the homeless/rampant drug use in our cities.
There is a portion of the homeless population who have effectively taken over many of our public spaces - sidewalks, parks...
In Denver, Union Station, which received a 1/2 billion dollar makeover a few years ago, is rampant with open drug use, loitering, dangerous behavior, often resulting in garbage left behind when they finally do leave. Most people avoid the area if they can, rather than enjoy the open spaces, outdoor seating, shops and restaurants that is intended for all.
The city council seems immobilized to do anything about it...as if this portion of the homeless population are innocent victims of their circumstance.
There’s a fine line between providing necessary assistance, and enabling.
As for most homeless folks, they are trying to get by, and I have much empathy for them. Here again, our systems seem to be failing as too many don't get the resources for a basic existence. 

rgio

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Posted: Dec 8, 2021 - 8:48am

 Red_Dragon wrote:
That's not just any tree... it's the All American Christmas Tree.  (no natural trees were harmed in the burning...just petroleum and glass)

Fox was using it to show what happens in cities run by the Dems when you Defund the Police, and liberal prosecutors and judges don't punish criminals.

The good news is that they are going to Build Back Better!!!

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Posted: Dec 8, 2021 - 8:17am

Giant Christmas tree outside Fox News headquarters set afire
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Posted: Dec 4, 2021 - 1:03pm

Fox News’ answer to Biden disavowing lockdowns: Just straight-up lie about it
Lazy8

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Posted: Dec 3, 2021 - 11:15pm

 kurtster wrote:
A) A conflation. Vaccines are not therapies. Therapies are treatments post infection, not before. A huge error on your part. Fauci has done everything in his power to prevent the development of therapies for the resulting Covid 19 infection that comes from the SARS-CoV-2 virus . He has denigrated them and anyone pursuing their use and development. With him it has been vaccines are the only way. Natural immunity is worthless. Therapies are misinformation and quackery.

Hogwarts awards MAGA House ten pedantry points for exposing this YUGE error. It will withhold them until you can substantiate anything else in this paragraph. Go ahead, show us where he said any such thing.

And...which therapies are you referring to? Hydroxychloroquine? Ivermectin? Bleach? UV rays? Or is there some Amway product that's this month's miracle cure?

"everything in his power"...what power is that, exactly? What can his office do besides issue a memo?
B) You speak of the FDA. My understanding is that the only way a drug gets emergency approval by the FDA is if there are no alternative treatments available. Fauci has well known financial interests in vaccines. It is in his financial interest to quash any kind of treatments or therapies of the Covid 19 infection. And via his position, he has done everything possible to do just that. A very apparent conflict of interest. Fauci has been the bottleneck / impediment regarding the development of therapies.

Yes, I speak of the FDA, a federal agency with actual rulemaking and enforcement power. The agency that has the power to prosecute you for shipping a covid test they haven't taken their leisurely time to approve.

If you have some kind of evidence that Fauci has a financial interest in vaccines maybe you should present it. And evidence, btw, is something other people can verify. Go ahead. It's "well-known", right? So produce it.

While you're at it you could show us this astonishing power he has to suppress medicines. Does he oversee the FDA approval process? Does he write regulations? How does he accomplish this nefarious deed? If he's a bottleneck, what's flowing thru him?

He has also lied to Congress regarding his involvement with Gain Of Function research at the Wuhan Lab.

Lying means he would have had to know what he said wasn't true. This is a very detailed article about the controversy by The Intercept, the publication that sued NIH to get the records that everyone else is poring over to find a smoking gun. It definitely contradicts Fauci's testimony, but comes well short of accusing him of lying. You should read it. You won't, but you should.

C) You greatly minimize the impact of Fauci's words and very public advice. The use of authority / force via Public Health concerns using his "advice" has gone as far as overriding the Constitution with illegal mandates of which we are now finally getting some push back as these things are finally moving through the courts.

Yes, good to see at least a few courts recognize that the federal government's power is not infinite. And if Dr. Fauci advocates unconstitutional means to affect public health goals, well, it's a good thing he doesn't have the power to create policy. Or enforce it.

You know why his words have impact? Because he knows what he's talking about. That's damned handy in a situation like this.


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Posted: Dec 2, 2021 - 8:36pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
 kurtster wrote:
Well then.  That makes him infallible, above any reproach and the expert of everything he speaks ... Or The newest poster boy for the Peter Principle.

What about it would make him Josef Mengele?C) His position does not have statutory authority. He cannot give an order and compel you to follow it. His role is information, specifically to advise the president—a role he has filled for 7 presidents. His word is not law, it's advice. The demonization of this man baffles me. When a new disease emerges it's a mystery to everyone, including the people who are tasked with understanding it and advising people who make policy.

A) They can try and get ahead of it by doing research to understand possible threats or therapies (like MRNA vaccines, a technique 30 years in the making), and this is a huge help.

But the actual disease will still be new and its behavior unknown. That means when an advisor is asked to give his best guess on what to do it is just that—a guess. An educated guess, but a guess. As we learn we revise those guesses.B) That doesn't make the earlier guesses lies. He has said things you didn't want to hear. That doesn't make him wrong, it doesn't make him a nazi war criminal, and it doesn't make him a movie villain. He is visible in ways that, say, the directors of the CDC and the FDA aren't but these agencies have a lot more to do with the conduct of the government than he does, and they bear a lot of the blame for the progress of the disease in the US. The FDA is why we don't have readily-available home test kits for covid. The CDC was the bottleneck in early testing to track the disease's progress as it emerged. Fauci is not.
 
A)  A conflation.  Vaccines are not therapies.  Therapies are treatments post infection, not before.  A huge error on your part.  Fauci has done everything in his power to prevent the development of therapies for the resulting Covid 19 infection that comes from the SARS-CoV-2 virus  .  He has denigrated them and anyone pursuing their use and development.  With him it has been vaccines are the only way.  Natural immunity is worthless.  Therapies are misinformation and quackery. 

B) You speak of the FDA.  My understanding is that the only way a drug gets emergency approval by the FDA is if there are no alternative treatments available.  Fauci has well known financial interests in vaccines.  It is in his financial interest to quash any kind of treatments or therapies of the Covid 19 infection.  And via his position, he has done everything possible to do just that.  A very apparent conflict of interest.

Fauci has been the bottleneck / impediment regarding the development of therapies.

He has also lied to Congress regarding his involvement with Gain Of Function research at the Wuhan Lab.

C)  You greatly minimize the impact of Fauci's words and very public advice.  The use of authority / force via Public Health concerns using his "advice" has gone as far as overriding the Constitution with illegal mandates of which we are now finally getting some push back as these things are finally moving through the courts.
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Posted: Dec 2, 2021 - 2:58pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

{#Eek}
  /picks chin up off the floor.  You mean the rapid-fire tests, right? We have about 20 stashed here in our pantry. We get them given to us free (government policy) as Nico (nearing 3 years old) is in daycare. But aside from that you can pick up any number you want at the local drugstore, cost about €1.75 a pop.

Health care in the US is a profit-oriented enterprise. That is why we have the best health care in the world! 
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Posted: Dec 2, 2021 - 2:51pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


I got a 2-pack for $14 at Walmart last week*; apparently Uncle Joe is pushing to make insurance reimburse that cost.

*Charlie tested negative


We picked up a dozen packs or so a month ago, no problem. (Had a wedding coming up and wanted everyone to be comfy.)
They were about $25 for a pair.
Then we made a quick trip to Iceland and they were everywhere for about $3 a test in grocery stores.

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Posted: Dec 2, 2021 - 2:47pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
 Lazy8 wrote:

The FDA is why we don't have readily-available home test kits for covid. 


I got a 2-pack for $14 at Walmart last week*; apparently Uncle Joe is pushing to make insurance reimburse that cost.

*Charlie tested negative
 
{#Eek}  /picks chin up off the floor.  You mean the rapid-fire tests, right? We have about 20 stashed here in our pantry. We get them given to us free (government policy) as Nico (nearing 3 years old) is in daycare. But aside from that you can pick up any number you want at the local drugstore, cost about €1.75 a pop.
rgio

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Posted: Dec 2, 2021 - 12:10pm

 kcar wrote:


Well put.

My amateur take is that conservative political reaction tends to find a person or people to serve as an evil agent for complex events and the federal government's response to those events. 

People don't fully understand Covid or pandemics and aren't convinced that they need to cooperate with everyone else by wearing masks, socially distancing, getting vaccine shots, etc.

Americans are rarely asked to work together, so public health programs and mandates can come across as threats to individual freedoms. It's much easier to whip people up for political gain if you can personify that threat as an elite politician or unelected bureaucrat. Fauci is a prime example. The GOP demonized Nancy Pelosi as a socialist destroyer of family values and lover of fringe minorities. Hillary Clinton got smeared as a power-hungry monster intent on destroying the working class. Obama was a socialist who hated white people.

All these people got fashioned as symbols and promoters of forces that seemed to threaten normalcy and prosperity—forces like gay rights/BLM, economic globalization, challenges to white male power, federally mandated healthcare,
etc. 

      100% correct

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Posted: Dec 2, 2021 - 11:15am

 Lazy8 wrote:

What about it would make him Josef Mengele?

His position does not have statutory authority. He cannot give an order and compel you to follow it. His role is information, specifically to advise the president—a role he has filled for 7 presidents. His word is not law, it's advice.

The demonization of this man baffles me. When a new disease emerges it's a mystery to everyone, including the people who are tasked with understanding it and advising people who make policy. They can try and get ahead of it by doing research to understand possible threats or therapies (like MRNA vaccines, a technique 30 years in the making), and this is a huge help. But the actual disease will still be new and its behavior unknown. That means when an advisor is asked to give his best guess on what to do it is just that—a guess. An educated guess, but a guess. As we learn we revise those guesses.

That doesn't make the earlier guesses lies.

He has said things you didn't want to hear. That doesn't make him wrong, it doesn't make him a nazi war criminal, and it doesn't make him a movie villain. He is visible in ways that, say, the directors of the CDC and the FDA aren't but these agencies have a lot more to do with the conduct of the government than he does, and they bear a lot of the blame for the progress of the disease in the US. The FDA is why we don't have readily-available home test kits for covid. The CDC was the bottleneck in early testing to track the disease's progress as it emerged. Fauci is not.


Well put.

My amateur take is that conservative political reaction tends to find a person or people to serve as an evil agent for complex events and the federal government's response to those events. 

People don't fully understand Covid or pandemics and aren't convinced that they need to cooperate with everyone else by wearing masks, socially distancing, getting vaccine shots, etc.

Americans are rarely asked to work together, so public health programs and mandates can come across as threats to individual freedoms. It's much easier to whip people up for political gain if you can personify that threat as an elite politician or unelected bureaucrat. Fauci is a prime example. The GOP demonized Nancy Pelosi as a socialist destroyer of family values and lover of fringe minorities. Hillary Clinton got smeared as a power-hungry monster intent on destroying the working class. Obama was a socialist who hated white people.

All these people got fashioned as symbols and promoters of forces that seemed to threaten normalcy and prosperity—forces like gay rights/BLM, economic globalization, challenges to white male power, federally mandated healthcare,
etc. 
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Posted: Dec 2, 2021 - 11:10am

 black321 wrote:
 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Read the book, Spillover, by David Quammen and you'll understand just how nearly inevitable it is that a natural origin did or will happen. So the finger-pointing is almost beside the point—a curiosity. We need to get this behind us, learn from it how to prevent the next one, and what to do when our protection fails. 
The next big and murderous human pandemic, the one that kills us in millions, will be caused by a new disease—new to humans, anyway. The bug that's responsible will be strange, unfamiliar, but it won't come from outer space. Odds are that the killer pathogen—most likely a virus—will spill over into humans from a nonhuman animal. (2012)

Yes, and the growing issues with antibiotic resistance.
The virus, and those getting sick can care less if it was from a lab or bat.
But this story is important in terms of the narrative. Are those in charge making decisions based on politics, or even just out of expediency?
 Who knows what's been sleeping under all that ice?

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Posted: Dec 2, 2021 - 10:39am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
I got a 2-pack for $14 at Walmart last week*; apparently Uncle Joe is pushing to make insurance reimburse that cost.

*Charlie tested negative

Best I can get is shipping one in. Local Walgreens and Walmart have no stock. My insurance company wants to ship me one but it's the mail-it-off-for-PCR kind.

The point is these would have been available over a year ago had it not been for the FDA. They could be as common as N95 masks now.

*Good news on the Charlie front!
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Posted: Dec 2, 2021 - 9:09am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Read the book, Spillover, by David Quammen and you'll understand just how nearly inevitable it is that a natural origin did or will happen. So the finger-pointing is almost beside the point—a curiosity. We need to get this behind us, learn from it how to prevent the next one, and what to do when our protection fails. 
The next big and murderous human pandemic, the one that kills us in millions, will be caused by a new disease—new to humans, anyway. The bug that's responsible will be strange, unfamiliar, but it won't come from outer space. Odds are that the killer pathogen—most likely a virus—will spill over into humans from a nonhuman animal. (2012)


Yes, and the growing issues with antibiotic resistance.
The virus, and those getting sick can care less if it was from a lab or bat.
But this story is important in terms of the narrative. Are those in charge making decisions based on politics, or even just out of expediency?


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