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rgio

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Posted: Dec 22, 2021 - 9:00am

 Lazy8 wrote:
This is the kind of phony controversy that makes people distrust anything that comes out of the Team Blue media.

It's also the kind of thing that "real" news outlets wouldn't stand for.

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Posted: Dec 22, 2021 - 8:44am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
*sigh*

You don't seem to disagree that Watters' language was something to be fired for.
Why is that?

Is it not because it's language that could be misconstrued as a literal call for Fauci to be killed? I agree that that's exactly what it sounds like: just ever-so-slightly NOT a literal call for Fauci to be killed, knowing that someone out there will miss the nuance knowwhatImean? knowwhatImean? wink wink nudge nudge. Many many someones, but thankfully we're generally not a nation of violent crazies who take orders to kill from TV personalities. Generally. But cast a wide enough net, it's plain that he's calling for *someone, anyone* to assassinate a doctor for saying doctor stuff.

The kind of people you're worried about would have heard it in the original context, not surgically snipped to wind knickers.

BTW the first time I heard the term "killshot" was in a racquetball lesson, and a quick googling reveals that there is a racquetball gear vendor by that name. Also an Eminem diss track, an Elmore Leonard novel that was way better than the movie made out of it (true of most Elmore Leonard novels), a Nike tennis shoe, and  (not making this up) a company that makes cornhole beanbags.

This is the kind of phony controversy that makes people distrust anything that comes out of the Team Blue media.

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Posted: Dec 22, 2021 - 8:09am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

 But cast a wide enough net, it's plain that he's calling for *someone, anyone* to assassinate a doctor for saying doctor stuff.




Even if he’s not doing it intentionally, it shows a remarkable lack of judgement in light of his audience.

Never forget the suggestion that if things don’t go their way they should consider “Second Amendment remedies.” Was that a call to assassinate? Well…yes. Yes it was. And Kyle Rittenhouse a hero? And abortion-providing doctors being attacked? And “when do we get to use our guns?” And the man storming the pizza parlor with weapons to liberate the children in the non-existent basement? 

The GOP has proven itself to be as violent and intolerant as the Taliban. So, a reasonable person these days would be careful to avoid such language.


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Posted: Dec 22, 2021 - 7:16am

 kurtster wrote:


The actual headline to the article would have been just fine.

Dr. Fauci Says Fox News Channel’s Jesse Watters ‘Should Be Fired On The Spot’

Instead, you went way over the top trolling for a reaction and got one.

You are the troll here. Period.


*sigh*

You don't seem to disagree that Watters' language was something to be fired for.
Why is that?

Is it not because it's language that could be misconstrued as a literal call for Fauci to be killed? I agree that that's exactly what it sounds like: just ever-so-slightly NOT a literal call for Fauci to be killed, knowing that someone out there will miss the nuance knowwhatImean? knowwhatImean? wink wink nudge nudge. Many many someones, but thankfully we're generally not a nation of violent crazies who take orders to kill from TV personalities. Generally. But cast a wide enough net, it's plain that he's calling for *someone, anyone* to assassinate a doctor for saying doctor stuff.
rgio

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Posted: Dec 22, 2021 - 5:31am

 miamizsun wrote:

some people watching might believe

It only takes one.

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Posted: Dec 22, 2021 - 4:48am

 steeler wrote:
Context matters. No one is disputing that “kill shot” can be and has been used as a metaphor.
 
that's right (i just watched the video below) 

the irony is that it seems as though he wants people to aggressively pursue gotcha material
and send it back to a preferred news outlet to pimp out
ground breaking? no, just more foolish tabloid behavior
i worry about the wrasslin' buy in component 
some people watching might believe
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Posted: Dec 21, 2021 - 7:26pm


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Posted: Dec 21, 2021 - 7:18pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:

I think that's exactly what he was doing.
 
And you knew exactly what you were doing when you rewrote your little headline to link to the article.

 Red_Dragon wrote: 

The actual headline to the article would have been just fine.

Dr. Fauci Says Fox News Channel’s Jesse Watters ‘Should Be Fired On The Spot’

Instead, you went way over the top trolling for a reaction and got one.

You are the troll here. Period.
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Posted: Dec 21, 2021 - 4:21pm

 miamizsun wrote:


i haven't had time to watch anything about this however, i used a search engine
and in about 60 seconds of scanning i found this
probably a poor choice of words by the speaker but i don't hthink he's calling for someone to get offed

CNN Loved The ‘Kill Shot’ Metaphor Until Fox News’ Jesse Watters Used It Against Fauci








I think that's exactly what he was doing.
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Posted: Dec 21, 2021 - 3:54pm

 miamizsun wrote:


i haven't had time to watch anything about this however, i used a search engine
and in about 60 seconds of scanning i found this
probably a poor choice of words by the speaker but i don't hthink he's calling for someone to get offed

CNN Loved The ‘Kill Shot’ Metaphor Until Fox News’ Jesse Watters Used It Against Fauci








Please read the context of ALL of those examples. None can be construed as some sort of directive to the general public to take matters into their own hands. Mr Watters encouraged Joe Public to ambush Fauci and go for the kill shot. 
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Posted: Dec 21, 2021 - 2:40pm

 miamizsun wrote:
respect their authority!

Indeed.

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Posted: Dec 21, 2021 - 2:39pm

 R_P wrote:

Oh noes, "tyrannical health bureaucrats!!111"



respect their authority!
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Posted: Dec 21, 2021 - 2:32pm

 miamizsun wrote:
i haven't had time to watch anything about this however, i used a search engine
and in about 60 seconds of scanning i found this
probably a poor choice of words by the speaker but i don't hthink he's calling for someone to get offed

CNN Loved The ‘Kill Shot’ Metaphor Until Fox News’ Jesse Watters Used It Against Fauci


Oh noes, "tyrannical health bureaucrats!!111"

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Posted: Dec 21, 2021 - 2:31pm

 miamizsun wrote:


i haven't had time to watch anything about this however, i used a search engine
and in about 60 seconds of scanning i found this
probably a poor choice of words by the speaker but i don't hthink he's calling for someone to get offed

CNN Loved The ‘Kill Shot’ Metaphor Until Fox News’ Jesse Watters Used It Against Fauci







Context matters. No one is disputing that “kill shot” can be and has been used as a metaphor.


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Posted: Dec 21, 2021 - 2:23pm

Don't beat around the bush. Violence solves problems.

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Posted: Dec 21, 2021 - 2:22pm

 kurtster wrote:

The "kill shot" I see referenced is regarding taking a video capturing a moment were Fauci is set up and caught as in "dead to rights"  Maybe I am the only one here old enough to have heard that expression before.

Its a flipping metaphor.  Listen to the shit coming out of the WH regarding the unvaxxed fer chrissakes.  You'd think that they were talking about the Jews as scapegoats in the prelude to WW II.

Phony outrage.  Kinda like the printing targets blamed on Palin when Giffords got shot.


i haven't had time to watch anything about this however, i used a search engine
and in about 60 seconds of scanning i found this
probably a poor choice of words by the speaker but i don't hthink he's calling for someone to get offed

CNN Loved The ‘Kill Shot’ Metaphor Until Fox News’ Jesse Watters Used It Against Fauci






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Posted: Dec 21, 2021 - 2:03pm

 kurtster wrote:

The "kill shot" I see referenced is regarding taking a video capturing a moment were Fauci is set up and caught as in "dead to rights"  Maybe I am the only one here old enough to have heard that expression before.

Its a flipping metaphor. 
Listen to the shit coming out of the WH regarding the unvaxxed fer chrissakes.  You'd think that they were talking about the Jews as scapegoats in the prelude to WW II.

Phony outrage.  Kinda like the printing targets blamed on Palin when Giffords got shot.

Try telling TSA that you will take a kill shot on one of them if you miss your plane and see what it gets you.

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Posted: Dec 21, 2021 - 2:01pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


wink wink nudge nudge yeah I get it. Safe to say that every one of the 330 million people in this country gets that it's a metaphor. So if you're speaking metaphorically, literally saying to take "the kill shot" but meaning something like "go ask the nice man a question," it's unreasonable to think that someone might misunderstand? I'm not sure there's a precedent for anything that so you may be right.


Indeed. Fauci has been the recipient of numerous death threats and has security as a result. At best, then, this is a case of extremely poor word choices. Watters would have to be oblivious and stupid, or abjectly dishonest, to assert otherwise — along with anyone else making such a claim.


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Posted: Dec 21, 2021 - 1:35pm

 kurtster wrote:

Its a flipping metaphor.  


wink wink nudge nudge yeah I get it. Safe to say that every one of the 330 million people in this country gets that it's a metaphor. So if you're speaking metaphorically, literally saying to take "the kill shot" but meaning something like "go ask the nice man a question," it's unreasonable to think that someone might misunderstand? I'm not sure there's a precedent for anything that so you may be right.

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Posted: Dec 21, 2021 - 1:14pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

Yer full - o -shit, as usual. 

Actually, more than usual.

I say that based upon what I read at the link you posted.


Not sure how you can read what he posted and watch the video from TPUSA and not come away thinking this Watters guy is a criminal but hey, you're The Amazing Kurtster™, contortionist extraordinaire.
 
The "kill shot" I see referenced is regarding taking a video capturing a moment were Fauci is set up and caught as in "dead to rights"  Maybe I am the only one here old enough to have heard that expression before.

Its a flipping metaphor.  Listen to the shit coming out of the WH regarding the unvaxxed fer chrissakes.  You'd think that they were talking about the Jews as scapegoats in the prelude to WW II.

Phony outrage.  Kinda like the printing targets blamed on Palin when Giffords got shot.
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