I was just setting the record straight for those who were saying that Trump was the only one contesting an election.
That it was and still is widespread on the democrat side of the fence.
No, sorry False Equivalence King, it is not widespread on the Democratic side of the fence.
You may have had people saying that when Trump was first elected and they were stinging from the defeat. Did Clinton try (and fail) to contest the results in court? Is Clinton still running around doing interviews or speaking at functions crying that the election was stolen from her? Clinton conceded her loss (while Trump never has) and Trump continues to lie that the election was stolen from him to this day. Unlike Republicans the Democrats did recognize Trump as the duly elected President. Ask most current Republicans in the Senate and Congress today whether Biden is the duly elected president and a good majority of them will either say "No" or duck the question entirely.
I know that you would love for both sides to be equally broken? f*cked up? dysfunctional? But there is only one side that is holding that title right now and it's not even close.
It is ok for Clinton, et al. to say that Trump stole the 2016 election and say that he is an illegitimate president but it is not ok for Trump to say that the 2020 election was stolen.
eh...still confused.
It's not OK for either...but then again, only one of them is running for president.
I’m a bit confused? Is it not ok for Clinton to have argued trump’s presidency was illegitimate, but it is ok for trump to argue biden’s stole the election, and those who stormed the capitol are not only victims, but heros?
You have it backwards.
It is ok for Clinton, et al. to say that Trump stole the 2016 election and say that he is an illegitimate president but it is not ok for Trump to say that the 2020 election was stolen.
By Colby Itkowitz September 26, 2019at 5:03 p.m. EDT
Hillary Clinton dismissed President Trump as an âillegitimate presidentâ and suggested that âhe knowsâ that he stole the 2016 presidential election in a CBS News interview to be aired Sunday.
The former secretary of state, who lost the presidency to Trump, offered a scathing assessment of the president, his 2016 win and the latest allegations that he tried to obtain incriminating information from a foreign government about Joe Biden, a possible 2020 opponent, according to excerpts released by CBS from a wide-ranging pretaped interview for its âSunday Morningâ show,
Clinton was asked whether it angers her that none of the current Democratic candidates invoke her on the campaign trail while Trumpâs rally crowds still break out into âlock her upâ chants.
âNo, it doesnât kill me because he knows heâs an illegitimate president,â she said. âI believe he understands that the many varying tactics they used, from voter suppression and voter purging to hacking to the false stories â he knows that â there were just a bunch of different reasons why the election turned out like it did.â
In June, former president Jimmy Carter used similar language to diminish Trumpâs presidency. Carter said that in his view Trump lost the 2016 election and was put in office by the Russians. Asked if he considered Trump to be illegitimate, Carter said, âBased on what I just said, which I canât retract.â
Iâm a bit confused?
Is it not ok for Clinton to have argued trumpâs presidency was illegitimate,
but it is ok for trump to argue bidenâs stole the election, and those who stormed the capitol are not only victims, but heros?
Yeah, she did officially concede but she was out there for years saying Trump stole the election. You seem to forget that.
You also forget that Trump left office as he was supposed to. He did not have to led out of the WH at gun point as the way you all seem to make it to be.
It's really tiresome to keep up with your half truths, but apparently necessary. As noted before, we don't get to just 'make shit up'.
The Democrats noted several significant inputs by foreign actors, and also that they won the popular vote despite losing the electoral college. They didn't litigate it for years and sell t-shirts and bumper stickers with the meme. He did not 'leave as he was supposed to', he didn't concede as every other candidate has done in history, and he tried every avenue available to maintain his power. These things are not the same.
By Colby Itkowitz September 26, 2019at 5:03 p.m. EDT
Hillary Clinton dismissed President Trump as an “illegitimate president” and suggested that “he knows” that he stole the 2016 presidential election in a CBS News interview to be aired Sunday.
The former secretary of state, who lost the presidency to Trump, offered a scathing assessment of the president, his 2016 win and the latest allegations that he tried to obtain incriminating information from a foreign government about Joe Biden, a possible 2020 opponent, according to excerpts released by CBS from a wide-ranging pretaped interview for its “Sunday Morning” show,
Clinton was asked whether it angers her that none of the current Democratic candidates invoke her on the campaign trail while Trump’s rally crowds still break out into “lock her up” chants.
“No, it doesn’t kill me because he knows he’s an illegitimate president,” she said. “I believe he understands that the many varying tactics they used, from voter suppression and voter purging to hacking to the false stories — he knows that — there were just a bunch of different reasons why the election turned out like it did.”
In June, former president Jimmy Carter used similar language to diminish Trump’s presidency. Carter said that in his view Trump lost the 2016 election and was put in office by the Russians. Asked if he considered Trump to be illegitimate, Carter said, “Based on what I just said, which I can’t retract.”
Yeah, she did officially concede but she was out there for years saying Trump stole the election. You seem to forget that.
You also forget that Trump left office as he was supposed to. He did not have to led out of the WH at gun point as the way you all seem to make it to be.
It's really tiresome to keep up with your half truths, but apparently necessary. As noted before, we don't get to just 'make shit up'.
The Democrats noted several significant inputs by foreign actors, and also that they won the popular vote despite losing the electoral college. They didn't litigate it for years and sell t-shirts and bumper stickers with the meme. He did not 'leave as he was supposed to', he didn't concede as every other candidate has done in history, and he tried every avenue available to maintain his power.
Yeah, she did officially concede but she was out there for years saying Trump stole the election. You seem to forget that.
You also forget that Trump left office as he was supposed to. He did not have to led out of the WH at gun point as the way you all seem to make it to be.
Its amusing to hear you excuse election denial when it is on your side. Half of the democrats claimed the election in 2016 was stolen, from Hillary on down the line. Most of the democrat members of Congress boycotted Trump's inauguration and did not show up for that in protest. Election denial is election denial. And then there is Stacey Abrahms in Georgia who still thinks she had her election stolen from her.
Regarding your statement about the lack of a jury trial was because Trump's attorneys didn't want one is totally false and I addressed that weeks ago. Yet as usual you don't believe I even know what day of the week it is. The reason that AG James picked the crime she chose to charge Trump with was because it did not allow for a trial by jury. Check your facts because you all keep saying that Trump was stupid for not requesting a jury trial. He did not have that option. The deck was stacked against him with this charge and this particular judge.
# TooBigToRig
So what's amusing, is that your innocent, unfairly persecuted, martyr of a candidate has done everything in his power to delay everything. It's a bit shocking that they didn't do that in this case.
âItâs not entirely clear whether Trump would have been entitled to a jury trial under New York law â that would depend on nuanced legal determinations about the nature of the remedy sought by the attorney general,â said Elie Honig, a CNN senior legal analyst and former federal and New Jersey prosecutor. âBut Trumpâs legal team absolutely could have requested a jury, litigated the issue, and then appealed had they lost.â
Trump and FOX want you to believe they had no choice, but they litigate everything... and this would have given Trump grounds for appeal, which would have delayed things...possibly long enough to get back in the White House.
The one thing you never seem to admit is that he's a criminal. Everyone in NY might have a hard-on to screw Trump...but he's guilty. Is the judgment too big? Should he have had a jury? Should he be allowed to name clerks and have them harassed? All of those issues don't take away from the fact he's a grifting fraudster, and he got caught.
Poor Donnie...everyone is out to get him. You conveniently forget he's been screwing people for decades, and the crimes are now against people he can't outspend, scare, or outlast. I guess you're willing to overlook that, so long as he agrees with your "principles".
Its amusing to hear you excuse election denial when it is on your side. Half of the democrats claimed the election in 2016 was stolen, from Hillary on down the line. Most of the democrat members of Congress boycotted Trump's inauguration and did not show up for that in protest. Election denial is election denial. And then there is Stacey Abrahms in Georgia who still thinks she had her election stolen from her.
Regarding your statement about the lack of a jury trial was because Trump's attorneys didn't want one is totally false and I addressed that weeks ago. Yet as usual you don't believe I even know what day of the week it is. The reason that AG James picked the crime she chose to charge Trump with was because it did not allow for a trial by jury. Check your facts because you all keep saying that Trump was stupid for not requesting a jury trial. He did not have that option. The deck was stacked against him with this charge and this particular judge.
Here's a weird thing that might explain some of your confusion - I had to search specifically to find a fox news link and it was still down in the results and there aren't many. But here's your guys anyway:
It's amusing to see your "hold her to her words" posture when you've spent the last 8 years explaining why Trump didn't mean what he said. Is the AG using "illegitimate" a bad look...absolutely... but she is doing it as part of a campaign. You know...let the people decide. You can't be part of the RNC or the Trump White House 2.0 unless you profess that the 2020 election was stolen. You're upset about one AG saying the 2016 election was stolen when running for office, meanwhile, you can't be part of an entire party now without agreeing to a proven lie about 2020? Not that it matters to you...but she didn't find him guilty... a judge did. There was no jury because his lawyers didn't want one. James brought the charges (her job), and the court found him guilty. That means she was right, and your boy is a liar and a crook. I know that doesn't bother you, but some of us still care about right and wrong.
Its amusing to hear you excuse election denial when it is on your side. Half of the democrats claimed the election in 2016 was stolen, from Hillary on down the line. Most of the democrat members of Congress boycotted Trump's inauguration and did not show up for that in protest. Election denial is election denial. And then there is Stacey Abrahms in Georgia who still thinks she had her election stolen from her.
Regarding your statement about the lack of a jury trial was because Trump's attorneys didn't want one is totally false and I addressed that weeks ago. Yet as usual you don't believe I even know what day of the week it is. The reason that AG James picked the crime she chose to charge Trump with was because it did not allow for a trial by jury. Check your facts because you all keep saying that Trump was stupid for not requesting a jury trial. He did not have that option. The deck was stacked against him with this charge and this particular judge.
A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly against the city. But the traitor moves among those within the gates freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears no traitor; he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their garments, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation; he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city; he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared.
commonly attributed to Cicero but not actually in his writings.
A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly against the city. But the traitor moves among those within the gates freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears no traitor; he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their garments, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation; he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city; he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared.
commonly attributed to Cicero but not actually in his writings.
Yep. NY AG James during her 2018 campaign stump speeches repeatedly called Trump an illegitimate president and promised to take him down using whatever means possible if elected. .
But that's ok when the election deniers and politically motivated prosecutions are on your side, right ?
It's amusing to see your "hold her to her words" posture when you've spent the last 8 years explaining why Trump didn't mean what he said. Is the AG using "illegitimate" a bad look...absolutely... but she is doing it as part of a campaign. You know...let the people decide.
You can't be part of the RNC or the Trump White House 2.0 unless you profess that the 2020 election was stolen. You're upset about one AG saying the 2016 election was stolen when running for office, meanwhile, you can't be part of an entire party now without agreeing to a proven lie about 2020?
Not that it matters to you...but she didn't find him guilty... a judge did. There was no jury because his lawyers didn't want one. James brought the charges (her job), and the court found him guilty. That means she was right, and your boy is a liar and a crook. I know that doesn't bother you, but some of us still care about right and wrong.
Yep. NY AG James during her 2018 campaign stump speeches repeatedly called Trump an illegitimate president and promised to take him down using whatever means possible if elected.
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But that's ok when the election deniers and politically motivated prosecutions are on your side, right ?
Conversely, itâs not OK to see something you think is wrong, be a prosecutor, and promise to help correct it?
I mean, isnât that the same speech we get about the open borders?
