kcar wrote: 
Sure they did, it started when they were deadly silent when Pres Regan fired the air traffic controllers (btw they are still sleep deprived and over-worked) and really got a kick in the behind with Pres Clinton's 'fast track' deal for NAFTA
The Dems then totally abandoned the working class when they saw they could be the party of 'identity politics' and exploit the fears of people who are not male, white, christian and hetero, (and the GOP exploits the fears who are of those types)
It probably doesn't matter to anyone living outside of Michigan but Hillary was the first Dem Pres candidate that did not come to Detroit and march in the Labor Day parade but here we saw it as getting the bird flipped at us.
Trump took MI's 16 electorial votes by 10,704 popular votes
 

The childish nonsense continues unabated. So very presidential.

 Skydog wrote: 
I assure you that American foreign policy has looked out for and protected American business interests overseas long before Poppy Bush. However, that thrust is hardly the only one guiding our foreign policy, and to look at our government's international positions and actions primarily through the lens of serving business interests is to seriously distort reality. 

"But they forgot or didn't care about working people in this country hence the Bernie and Trump phenoms" 

The Democratic party did not abandon the working class here. The GOP did and continues to do so.

Obama's government tried very, very hard to get a bigger and better-designed stimulus package through Congress; doing so would have shortened the length and severity of the Great Recession. The votes to have an optimally sized stimulus were not there and the Republicans demanded that part of the stimulus take the form of tax cuts which did not have as large a stimulus effect as other parts of the package.

Obama also tried repeatedly to create jobs-creating programs to help people left behind by the recovery. He went out of his way to emphasize this project during State of The Union addresses. The Republican party never gave his ideas any consideration and never offered any similar programs. Obama also spent a hellacious amount of political capital on the passage of the ACA, which has had significant successes despite failing to sufficiently enforce enrollment requirements and struggling to hold costs down. Affordable health care is a significant economic (and medical) boost to working class people.

So let's stop talking about how the Democrats stiffed the working class. Part of the problem was the nature of The Great Recession. In general, economic recoveries from financial bubbles are weak, prolonged and leave working class people behind. The financial bailouts of investment companies and banks lead to uneven rates of recovery, popular anger, the rise of right-wing politics, and political fracturing.

This New Republic piece builds on the work of three economists who linked financial crises to the rise of right-wing politics in various countries. It also offers pre-election observations about trends in American politics.

The Real Roots of the Rising Right

(emphasis in the excerpt below is mine)
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 Red_Dragon wrote: 
Obviously Mike Pence is, as it was said he would do, running the transition team.  Pence is a political thug, imo.

 steeler wrote: 
fox/hen house

 Red_Dragon wrote: 
sounds more like a pick for Department of Energy.
Was  the CEO of Exxon not available? 

Donald Trump Picks Scott Pruitt, Ally of Fossil Fuel Industry, to Lead E.P.A.

 Red_Dragon wrote: 
yep, I knew about the Boeing statement and thought, is Trump going to continue being in campaign mode for 4 years?
just like in a campaign when your opponet makes an accusation you respond fast and undercut him with accusations of your own

look out Chuck Scumer, your old friend will be gunning for you and even you Mitch McConnell better watch what you say publicly 

There’s More To This Boeing Deal Than Meets The Eye….Much More

 black321 wrote:
At least it appears GW has a conscious, unlike Cheney. 

 kcar wrote:
At least it appears GW has a conscious, unlike Cheney. 

 Skydog wrote: 




Yep, I see it the same way.

 sirdroseph wrote 
I have to agree somewhat, it does seem like our foreign policy is designed to make the world safe for our companies to do business in and they justify it by creating jobs around the world to create stability therefore creating peace.
It's the "new world order" as first brought to our attention by G.H.W. Bush  and endorsed by both Dems and the GOP
But they forgot or didn't care about working people in this country hence the Bernie and Trump phenoms

 Red_Dragon wrote: 





I don't know, seems like Trump has a legitimate point with this one, our current foreign policy is all kind of f*cked up as it stands now so there is that....... I also find it amusing the sudden empathy towards the Chinese government embraced by democrats as of late. lol Or in other words, if receiving a congratulatory call from another government is grounds for war, you're gonna have a bad time!

TIME Man Of The Year award goes to,.........our President-Elect.
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 "Because of Donald John Trump, whatever happens next, it will never be like it was before."
                                               -TIME Magazine 

'nuff said

 Red_Dragon wrote: 

I think Dubya finally realized he was a world-class f*#!up when someone leveled with him after he left office. That would explain why he decided to retire from public life for a while and "paint."

Trump? He's never gonna figure it out.  

 Red_Dragon wrote: 
Flynn's son did get fired, eventually. He still thought the Comet Ping Pong pedophile "story" should be treated as legit, even after the guy from NC fired a rifle inside the restaurant. 


Trump Fires Adviser’s Son From Transition for Spreading Fake News

The uproar over Mr. Flynn’s Twitter post cast a harsh spotlight on the views that he and his father, Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn, aired on social media throughout the presidential campaign. Both men have shared fake news stories alleging that Mrs. Clinton committed felonies, and have posted their own Twitter messages that at times have crossed into Islamophobia.

But their social media musings apparently attracted little attention from Mr. Trump or his transition team before a North Carolina man fired a rifle on Sunday inside Comet Ping Pong, which was the subject of false stories tying it and the Clinton campaign to a child sex trafficking ring.

Hours after the episode, the younger Mr. Flynn, 33, went on Twitter to say that until “Pizzagate” was proved false, it remained a story.