Kaw wrote: 

At this point, I have to ask how many people are using the account  under the name "Kaw." Your written English went from this sub-standard level

Trump is Russian hacks. We need moar money for weapons because Russian army. We need laws against privacy because Russian spies. Be affraid! Be very affraid! Look what they have done already! Look at that maniac that will be our president!

to your partly well-written Dec. 18 post @11:34 am.  The glaring difference in grammar and spelling between the two posts erodes your credibility. The sheer laziness of thought in your Dec 16, 2016 - 4:29am post and its lack of evidence to support your claims also undermine your Dec. 18 claim that "I am someone working in this field of expertise."  If that claim is true—and I have serious doubts that it is—you are clearly being paid too much for your work. 

It's not "my evidence", Kaw. It's part of the evidence that the CIA and FBI considered before concluding that the Russian government and individuals contracted by that government hacked into American computer systems. Was Crowdstrike also in on this "lie" that linked Fancy Bear with the Russian government? Note that Fancy Bear has attacked non-American governmental bodies and companies as well American ones, so your lazy claim that the US government is just trying to fuel Cold-War-type conspiracy theories doesn't stand up. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fancy_Bear

Fancy Bear (also known as APT28, Pawn Storm, Sofacy Group, Sednit and STRONTIUM) is a cyber espionage group. Cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike has said with a medium level of confidence that it is associated with the Russian military intelligence agency GRU.

Likely operating since the mid-2000s, Fancy Bear's methods are consistent with the capabilities of nation-state actors. The threat group is known to target government, military, and security organizations, especially Transcaucasian and NATO-aligned states. Fancy Bear is thought to be responsible for cyber attacks on the German parliament, the French television station TV5Monde, the White House, NATO, and the Democratic National Committee.

As for your speculation that the Russian government wouldn't have used methods and individuals who could be traced, consider the following quote from this article:
There are several factors used to attribute these hacks to someone working on behalf of Russian intelligence. In the case of Fancy Bear, attribution is based on details from a number of assessments by security researchers. (These include: focus of purpose, the targets, long-term investment, language and location).

...

These don't necessarily point to Fancy Bear being directly operated by Russian intelligence. Other information operations out of Russia (including the "troll factory" operated out of St. Petersburg to spread disinformation and intimidate people) have had tenuous connections to the government.

Scott DePasquale and Michael Daly of the Atlantic Council suggested in an October Politico article that the DNC hack and other information operations surrounding the US presidential campaign may have been the work of "cyber mercenaries"—in essence, outsourcing outfits working as contractors for Russian intelligence. There is also an extremely remote possibility that all of this has been some sort of "false flag" operation by someone else with extremely deep pockets and a political agenda.

 
FYI—The intelligence agencies of the American government openly admit that they do electronic surveillance on computer networks, cellphone networks, etc.
 
Your English has improved considerably over two days, but you seem to struggle with logical thought and written expression of it. I'm not sure what your point is in the excerpt below from today's post: 

Would the Russian covernment seriously use a hacker group this low quality to influence the US elections? That owns domain names that are somehow traceable? Usually the servers behind those domains get hacked so the author is untraceable. Domain names are certainly not registered by the hackers themselves. Also those servers are used for 24 hours or so and then abandoned.

Here's how I read your excerpt: so hackers use traceable domain names. But the servers behind those domain names get hacked...so you can't trace "the author." And domain names aren't registered by hackers themselves, according to you. Oh and those servers that get hacked are used for 24 hours and then abandoned. So the Russian government couldn't have been involved! 

Do you drink a lot when you're posting here? Because you certainly don't do a very good job of showing how the Russian government couldn't have hired Fancy Bear or otherwise hid behind Fancy Bear's work. 
Consider how quickly the American press, with the help of CIA sources, revealed manipulation and distortion of intelligence (by Dick Cheney, Doug Feith and others) that led to the invasion of Iraq. Are you seriously suggesting that the US government could get away with lying about Russian hacking? Sources like Snowden would reveal such an effort in a heartbeat.

You wrote 

The evidence that fancy bear actually even exists is still a secret. We just have to believe the CIA and FBI for that. 

Fancy Bear has been known for at least 10 years to private companies and public intelligence organizations outside the US. 
 
https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bears-midst-intrusion-democratic-national-committee/  

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Passcode/2016/0615/Meet-Fancy-Bear-and-Cozy-Bear-Russian-groups-blamed-for-DNC-hack

If you want me or anyone else here to take you seriously, try providing credible evidence to back up your claims. Fantasies about the American government conspiring to make false claims about the presidential election don't count. You can't even provide a semi-intelligent rationale for the US government to do such a thing. 

 Kaw wrote: 
Your reply is spot on.  And as Assange has said, his source is not Russian.  I believe Assange.  

Funny how no one has said any of the information revealed is made up or false.  It is authentic.

What the most likely source of all the DNC info, other than Podesta's emails which were accessed in the method you described above, is a DNC insider who supported Sanders and got all of the dirt out into the sunshine for all to see as revenge for rigging the primaries for Hillary and against Bernie.

Until I see proof otherwise, this is what I am going to believe.

Adding to this, the FBI has confirmed the the RNC was not hacked in spite of many attempts.  That is why we only have info from the Democratic side of the fence.  The Democrats just don't know shit about cyber security.  That is my story and I'm sticking to it.
 
 

A cabinet to serve the common people...

 kcar wrote: 
I wasn't aware of your lengthy reply. Sorry.

Your evidence consist of a succesful phishing attempt using a bit.ly url. Something that is done by for example Nigerian scammers on a daily basis. The 'proof' is that the 'hackers' used bit.ly 7000 times. Again just like the average scammer. That's also barely hacking in my book. You can call it social hacking but it is far from advanced. Especially when they are stupid enough to use an US based company as a backbone. All executed by a malicious group called fancy bear or 'fantazii medved' in the Russian language. In other words: Medved the fantasy hacker. Isn't that name ironic? Would the Russian covernment seriously use a hacker group this low quality to influence the US elections? That owns domain names that are somehow traceable? Usually the servers behind those domains get hacked so the author is untraceable. Domain names are certainly not registered by the hackers themselves. Also those servers are used for 24 hours or so and then abandoned.

Normally government sponsored hacks are highly advanced containing advanced abuses of security weaknesses that are unknown by all other parties. They are stealthy too. Many times only logs of unknown internet traffic is left after a good break in. They certainly don't give interviews and brag like: https://motherboard.vice.com/read/dnc-hacker-guccifer-20-interview Sometimes they make a mistake like abusing weaknesses of certain hardware that has a specific origin. That's how certain advanced hacks are traced back to China. The only way the hacker could know that breach was by having access to the design of the chip/software and that was both made in China.

Trump has not spoken negatively about Russia. The hacks that could have been done by any average hacker are linked to Russia, the old reliable enemy of the USA. How convenient.
The evidence that fancy bear actually even exists is still a secret. We just have to believe the CIA and FBI for that.
Technically your lengthy reply contains a modus operandi. Not evidence.
In Europe we are not allowed to store confidencial information on servers that are linked to companies from the USA. China is still OK. USA isn't. Why? The NSA. The only proofed very serious hacks, break-ins and bugged computers upto the national government of Germany was from the NSA. Belgium was also hacked. There is a suspicion that France was hacked too. The Netherlands was at least bugged by the NSA. And we know this for sure because of Snowden. Tracing back a government issued hack is in practise almost impossible. That also makes the certainty of the claims from the CIA and FBI not so believable.

Source? I am someone working in this field of expertise.

 miamizsun wrote: 
I'd love to see the entire "defense" industry go the way of the dinosaurs, but...

My point was that in making the industry nervous he's making an oblique assault on a constituency he claims to embrace - 'Merican workers.

 Steely_D wrote: 
no!

well if i think about it rationally maybe

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 Red_Dragon wrote: 
behind the scenes...

we've got to make war great again, especially on a budget, but how?

can any of our geniuses make smart patriotic weapons that can discriminate by race, religion and sexual preference?

historically we've killed, maimed and murdered at large and really haven't worried about the cost

we need to negotiate, wait for sales and clip coupons to be sure we're getting the absolute best bang for our buck

"I just think that everyone is sitting here trying to pretend that this is normal. This is not normal. This is dangerous."

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 Steely_D wrote: 
Things that last are usually earned, which is a good thing.  Overnight change generally is not durable.  Such as changes made by executive fiat.  They can be undone the same way they are created.

I know we are only just getting started on all the hate towards Trump and his supporters.  But what kind of backlash will it generate.  That will be an even more interesting thing to watch.

There is some very concerning lunacy going on which is one of the reasons Trump was actually elected.  Such as things like this ...

 Activists at Ohio State Protest Killing of Student Who Launched Campus Terror Attack

 Protesters at Ohio State University are upset that police killed the student responsible for last month’s terrorist attack on campus as he was trying to stab others, calling him a victim of police violence.
...
 “So what would you have them do?” ... “Do nothing until he stabbed more people?”

Pardon the lack of a respectable link to the story as it does not seem to be getting any coverage in the MSM for some reason.  

I dunno WTF is going on in people's minds anymore.  But thinking like that illustrated above is just plain crazy, imo.  I certainly do not want someone running the country who thinks the same as these protesters, such as Ms. Clinton, to be sure.  I believe that I am far from alone in my thinking.

Don’t call it post-truth. There’s a simpler word: lies

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We're about to have a petulant six year-old for president.

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He may not spell very well but he's got a hell of a lot more money than any of the grammar nazis criticizing him.

I guess that good spelling has little to do with making money ... or being POTUS ...

Just have to make it past Monday.  Then I guess that all the people who promised to leave the country if he gets elected will actually leave at long last.  

Gud riddenz. 

If you plan to rule by Tweet, you could at least learn to spell Donnie.

 Kaw wrote: 
Your post seems to have come from a fact-free echo chamber. Not sure where its location is on the globe...  Keep working on your English, though! You're getting there...

Here's a good summary of the evidence. 

https://motherboard.vice.com/read/how-hackers-broke-into-john-podesta-and-colin-powells-gmail-accounts

On March 19 of this year, Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman John Podesta received an alarming email that appeared to come from Google.

The email, however, didn’t come from the internet giant. It was actually an attempt to hack into his personal account. In fact, the message came from a group of hackers that security researchers, as well as the US government, believe are spies working for the Russian government. At the time, however, Podesta didn’t know any of this, and he clicked on the malicious link contained in the email, giving hackers access to his account.

...

The phishing email that Podesta received on March 19 contained a URL, created with the popular Bitly shortening service, pointing to a longer URL that, to an untrained eye, looked like a Google link.

Inside that long URL, there’s a 30-character string that looks like gibberish but is actually the encoded Gmail address of John Podesta. According to Bitly’s own statistics, that link, which has never been published, was clicked two times in March.

 

That’s the link that opened Podesta’s account to the hackers, a source close to the investigation into the hack confirmed to Motherboard.

...

The data linking a group of Russian hackers—known as Fancy Bear, APT28, or Sofacy—to the hack on Podesta is also yet another piece in a growing heap of evidence pointing toward the Kremlin. And it also shows a clear thread between apparently separate and independent leaks that have appeared on a website called DC Leaks, such as that of Colin Powell’s emails; and the Podesta leak, which was publicized on WikiLeaks.

All these hacks were done using the same tool: malicious short URLs hidden in fake Gmail messages. And those URLs, according to a security firm that’s tracked them for a year, were created with Bitly account linked to a domain under the control of Fancy Bear.

...

That link is only one of almost 9,000 links Fancy Bear used to target almost 4,000 individuals from October 2015 to May 2016. Each one of these URLs contained the email and name of the actual target. The hackers created them with with two Bitly accounts in their control, but forgot to set those accounts to private, according to SecureWorks, a security firm that’s been tracking Fancy Bear for the last year.

 

SecureWorks was tracking known Fancy Bear command and control domains. One of these lead to a Bitly shortlink, which led to the Bitly account, which led to the thousands of Bitly URLs that were later connected to a variety of attacks, including on the Clinton campaign. With this privileged point of view, for example, the researchers saw Fancy Bear using 213 short links targeting 108 email addresses on the hillaryclinton.com domain, as the company explained in a somewhat overlooked report earlier this summer, and as BuzzFeed reported last week.

 

Using Bitly allowed “third parties to see their entire campaign including all their targets— something you'd want to keep secret,” Tom Finney, a researcher at SecureWorks, told Motherboard.

 

It was one of Fancy Bear’s “gravest mistakes,” as Thomas Rid, a professor at King's College who has closely studied the case, put it in a new piece published on Thursday in Esquire, as it gave researchers unprecedented visibility into the activities of Fancy Bear, linking different parts of its larger campaign together.

 

You can also check out these articles: 
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/obama-russia-election-hack.html 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-orders-review-of-russian-hacking-during-presidential-campaign/2016/12/09/31d6b300-be2a-11e6-94ac-3d324840106c_story.html

WaPo article: FBI backs CIA view that Russia intervened to help Trump win election
12/16/16:

(excerpt):

FBI Director James B. Comey and Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. are in agreement with a CIA assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election in part to help Donald Trump win the presidency, according to U.S. officials.

Comey’s support for the CIA’s conclusion reflects the fact that the leaders of the three agencies have always been in agreement on Russian intentions, officals said, contrary to suggestions by some lawmakers that the FBI disagreed with the CIA.

“Earlier this week, I met separately with (Director) FBI James Comey and DNI Jim Clapper, and there is strong consensus among us on the scope, nature, and intent of Russian interference in our presidential election,” CIA Director John Brennan said in a message to the agency’s workforce, according to U.S. officials who have seen the message.

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