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Posted: Jan 15, 2016 - 5:56am

 Coaxial wrote:

Then why are you here?

 
I'm an RP listener that likes Trump. Is there a reason I shouldn't be here? 
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Posted: Jan 15, 2016 - 5:52am

 rotekz wrote:

As if the Trump machine would concern itself with the RP forum. {#Roflol}  

 
Then why are you here?
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Posted: Jan 15, 2016 - 5:50am

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It's nice that you work for the Trump machine but you are pretty much pissing in the wind around here. {#Good-vibes}

 
As if the Trump machine would concern itself with the RP forum. {#Roflol}  
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Posted: Jan 15, 2016 - 5:32am

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The Republican establishment plans to rob Trump at the RNC by engineering a brokered convention that ultimately leads to a Hillary win. They would rather trade with Hillary than lose power and influence with Trump who will refuse their money.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/14/would-a-brokered-convention-stop-donald-trump/

 
It's nice that you work for the Trump machine but you are pretty much pissing in the wind around here. {#Good-vibes}
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Posted: Jan 15, 2016 - 1:21am

The Republican establishment plans to rob Trump at the RNC by engineering a brokered convention that ultimately leads to a Hillary win. They would rather trade with Hillary than lose power and influence with Trump who will refuse their money.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/14/would-a-brokered-convention-stop-donald-trump/
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Posted: Jan 15, 2016 - 12:13am

Another great Scott Adams blog post that discusses Trump's charisma and how consistent behaviour patterns can overcome a perceived lack of empathy in some voters minds.
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/137221841136/charisma-vs-danger-master-persuader-series

 


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Posted: Jan 14, 2016 - 11:43pm

Uh-oh. It looks like New York is not too enamoured with Cruz' comment about Trump supporters. 



 
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Posted: Jan 14, 2016 - 7:26pm

"The police are the most mistreated people in this country."
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Posted: Jan 14, 2016 - 3:55pm

 rotekz wrote:
At the 2015 general election the pollsters got it completely wrong. It destroyed their reputations. Yet you have linked a Telegraph news story that is based on these pre-election polls. The news story and predictions within have no credibility now. 

It may very well have been wrong, but we don't know because we don't have the actual numbers. There was a decline from 2005 to 2010 in Labour votes (68%) among migrants and it may have persisted. Or it may not have.
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Posted: Jan 14, 2016 - 3:47pm

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I didn't say they preferred Tory, merely that the Tories won and that migrants were moving away from Labour. Indecisiveness, along with the rest of the electorate, would have to mean less loyalty to Labour, no?

 
At the 2015 general election the pollsters got it completely wrong. It destroyed their reputations. Yet you have linked a Telegraph news story that is based on these pre-election polls. The news story and predictions within have no credibility now.


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Posted: Jan 14, 2016 - 3:30pm

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So I take it that you will not mind us all referring to you as an illegal American?

 
Sure, why not.  I bet that most are thinking of me as a nazi since I support Trump based on what has been posted earlier.

Doesn't change the issue however.   Seeings how your an open border guy an all, I bet that you have long ago removed all the locks on your doors to show support for that cause.


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Posted: Jan 14, 2016 - 3:14pm

 rotekz wrote:
The part you quoted was not from the conclusion section and cannot be described as the conclusion of the report. Also crucial part of your quoted section is as follows:
There is no evidence that BAME support is shifting decisively in the direction of a different political party. Rather, many BAME voters are now as unsure about which way to vote as the rest of the electorate.
It is a prediction of INDECISIVENESS and nothing more.

There is no evidence or data to show that migrants now prefer to vote Tory.
 
You're right, it was from patterns and intentions, just before the conclusion. I didn't say they preferred Tory, merely that the Tories won and that migrants were moving away from Labour. Indecisiveness, along with the rest of the electorate, would have to mean less loyalty to Labour on their part, no?
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Posted: Jan 14, 2016 - 3:09pm

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No, I already pointed out that the report reached a different conclusion then you did. I did not and would not say they no longer vote for Labour. The majority probably still does, but the report, once again, makes the case that the trend is away from Labour. The tables (as well as the list of minority MPs) already showed there is some (limited) variety.

Well, the BBC does make up stuff on occasion, but that's not really relevant here.

 
The part you quoted was not from the conclusion section and cannot be described as the conclusion of the report. Also the crucial part of your quoted section is as follows:
There is no evidence that BAME support is shifting decisively in the direction of a different political party. Rather, many BAME voters are now as unsure about which way to vote as the rest of the electorate.
It is a prediction of INDECISIVENESS and nothing more.

There is no evidence or data to show that migrants now prefer to vote Tory. 


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Posted: Jan 14, 2016 - 2:52pm

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The first two sets of data were from the report that YOU linked. Are you trying to say your report is no good? The BBC report used 2010 election data. Do you accuse the BBC of making stuff up? The fourth set of data came from the electoral commission after the 2005 election. Again are you trying to say they got it wrong? This smacks of desperation.

Now. Produce 2015 data that shows migrants no longer vote Labour. Until you do the figures that we have are those of the 2005 and 2010 general election that show migrants overwhelmingly voting for Labour. If you are going to say they no longer do you have to back it up with figures that show it.
 
No, I already pointed out that the report reached a different conclusion then you did. I did not and would not say they no longer vote for Labour. The majority probably still does, but the report, once again, makes the case that the trend is away from Labour. The tables (as well as the list of minority MPs) already showed there is some (limited) variety.

Well, the BBC does make up stuff on occasion, but that's not really relevant here.
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Posted: Jan 14, 2016 - 2:44pm

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So you consider a single photo which may well have been photoshopped as comprehensive data to establish the voting habits of a certain class of people?

EDIT: Richard caught this as well.{#Arrowu}
 
They were screenshots of the report that Richard himself linked in the first place. Read it.
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Posted: Jan 14, 2016 - 2:44pm

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I might have missed it, but what was your (cold) hard data? Surely not the article by "Migrant Watch"? Or, for that matter, the tables from the report that conclude that there is a trend away from Labour among migrants?

The main winners in the elections were UKIP (like Trump, not likely to be supported by migrants) and the SNP. Big losers: LibDems, and Labour in Scotland (likely due to the SNP).

Until we have data for 2015, your air is as hot as mine.

 
The first two sets of data were from the report that YOU linked. Are you trying to say your report is no good? The BBC report used 2010 election data. Do you accuse the BBC of making stuff up? The fourth set of data came from the electoral commission after the 2005 election. Again are you trying to say they got it wrong? This smacks of desperation.

Now. Produce 2015 data that shows migrants no longer vote Labour. Until you do the figures that we have are those of the 2005 and 2010 general election that show migrants overwhelmingly voting for Labour. If you are going to say they no longer do you have to back it up with figures that show it.

 
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Posted: Jan 14, 2016 - 2:31pm

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I am the only person using actual data. 
 
So you consider a single photo which may well have been photoshopped as comprehensive data to establish the voting habits of a certain class of people?

EDIT: Richard caught this as well.{#Arrowu}

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Posted: Jan 14, 2016 - 2:28pm

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I am the only person using actual data. You are talking about a theoretical trend for indecisiveness. It amounts to nothing whilst all the voting data shows overwhelming support for Labour. You have nothing to show that migrants changed their previous propensity to vote Labour. Produce voting figures to show migrants no longer favour Labour.
 
I might have missed it, but what was your (cold) hard data? Surely not the article by "Migrant Watch"? Or, for that matter, the tables from the report that conclude that there is a trend away from Labour among migrants?

The main winners in the elections were UKIP (like Trump, not likely to be supported by migrants) and the SNP. Big losers: LibDems, and Labour in Scotland (likely due to the SNP).

Until we have data for 2015, your air is as hot as mine.
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Posted: Jan 14, 2016 - 2:17pm

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The report already showed the trend based on a study up to 2015 (you would need to look at the cited study).

I don't know if there's concrete data for 2015 post-election w.r.t. minorities/migrants. More data will likely not convince you anyway.

And that's based on the trend of your previous posts. {#Wink}.

 
I am the only person using actual data. You are talking about a theoretical trend for indecisiveness. It amounts to nothing whilst all the voting data shows overwhelming support for Labour. You have nothing to show that migrants changed their previous propensity to vote Labour. Produce voting figures to show migrants no longer favour Labour.
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Posted: Jan 14, 2016 - 2:10pm

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Please provide figures that show migrants no longer overwhelmingly vote Labour. Actual data. Until you do it's all hot air.

This is a presumption and is not followed up with any data. Hard data is needed. All previous data shows overwhelming migrant support for Labour.
 
The report already showed the trend based on a study up to 2015 (you would need to look at the cited study).

I don't know if there's concrete data for 2015 post-election w.r.t. minorities/migrants. More data will likely not convince you anyway.

And that's based on the trend of your previous posts. {#Wink}
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