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Posted: Jan 16, 2016 - 7:31pm

 porphyrius wrote:

So, I lost this really well designed reply to this post, all intellectual and everything, with references and other trappings of the intelligentia to make me look smart. So, instead, I'm gonna wing it - here goes.

Trump appeals to our baser desires as a human animal. He hits primeval brain spots, and exploits them. Not bad, not good, just that's the truth. All of us are products of our environment, intelligence, and experience, and as such, we (as a society, or race) are fallible, regardless of social standing, income, or what have you. We are all intellectually compromised, no matter what.

Anyway, I kinda like Trump, because he's not afraid of being intellectually compromised - he already knows he is, and then spouts shit that nobody in their right minds would ever utter. Trump may well be the James Dean of politics. Whatever.

I give the exact same kudos to Bernie. He's a Stoic in the face of extinction, and yet still survives. There's nothing not to like about the guy, regardless of politics, which I am pretty sure is a way overrated subject.

God Bless America   {#Smile}

ps Hillary can go fuck herself

 



 
Popped in to backscroll and see what's been going on since my last visit.  Sheeshuz.

Anyway, I basically agree with what you said.  Right now the way I feel about things is that if I can't have Trump, I'll take Sanders. Either we stop this train right now or we speed it up and get to where we are presently going quicker.  And what you said about Hillary ...

Truman was President when I was born.  I've seen the same movie too many times.  I'm too old to deal with this crap anymore.  All the ethics and values that I was raised to hold near and dear are now hateful and harmful to the world I'm told.  A heritage in this country that goes back 375 years, all hated and worse.  Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.  Party on, Garth ...

 


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Posted: Jan 16, 2016 - 1:35pm

 rotekz wrote:
That was 1 out of 4 items. You have ignored the other three.

Here's some more:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/book-review-ataturk-in-the-nazi-imagination-by-stefan-ihrig-and-islam-and-nazi-germanys-war-by-david-motadel-1421441724

‘It’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion,” Hitler complained to his pet architect Albert Speer. “Why did it have to be Christianity, with its meekness and flabbiness?” Islam was a Männerreligion—a “religion of men”—and hygienic too. The “soldiers of Islam” received a warrior’s heaven, “a real earthly paradise” with “houris” and “wine flowing.” This, Hitler argued, was much more suited to the “Germanic temperament” than the “Jewish filth and priestly twaddle” of Christianity.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler#Hitler.27s_views_on_Islam

Plans to destroy Christianity

Bullock wrote that, "once the war was over,promised himself, he would root out and destroy the influence of the Christian Churches".Phayer wrote that "By the latter part of the decade of the thirties church officials were well aware that the ultimate aim of Hitler and other Nazis was the total elimination of Catholicism and of the Christian religion. Since the overwhelming majority of Germans were either Catholic or Protestant this goal had to be a long-term rather than a short-term Nazi objective." According to Shirer, "under the leadership of Rosenberg, Bormann and Himmler—backed by Hitler—the Nazi regime intended to destroy Christianity in Germany, if it could, and substitute the old paganism of the early tribal Germanic gods and the new paganism of the Nazi extremists". 


It would probably end up being a full-time job to check all your nonsense.

It is well-known that the Nazis initially appealed to Christianity (I called it "opportunistically" below while pointing out that +90% of Germans were Christians) and gave their own twist to it. The regime changed its tune over its course. However it is a far cry from being driven by Muslim beliefs, regardless of how much you'd like to believe and misrepresent it.

Instead, as you point out with the second quote, it relied somewhat on pagan mystical views as part of glorifying Germany's heroic past to promote their new 1000 year Reich (Empire).
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Posted: Jan 16, 2016 - 1:34pm


Here's a timely blog from Scott Adams on Trump's motives.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/137375194651/the-biggest-trump-story-that-you-missed-master

If I asked you to describe Donald Trump’s supporters in one word, you might say angry. As I have taught you in the Master Persuader series, if most people have the same explanation for a thing, they’re probably right.

Now suppose I asked you for one word to describe what the opponents of Donald Trump dislike about him the most. This time your answers are all over the map. Some say he’s a fascist. Some say he’s xenophobic. Or racist. Some say he’s only in it for the money, or the ego. Some say he’s a narcissist. Others believe he is secretly working with the Clinton campaign to guarantee Hillary’s victory. Some say he is just bitter, or stupid. Some expect him to announce it was all a joke and quit.

That’s a lot of reasons. But I submit to you that all of those reasons – as varied as they seem – have one thing in common. And that one thing can be embodied in one word.

Motive.




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Posted: Jan 16, 2016 - 1:12pm

That was 1 out of 4 items. You have ignored the other three.

Here's some more:

Why Hitler Wished He Was Muslim

http://www.wsj.com/articles/book-review-ataturk-in-the-nazi-imagination-by-stefan-ihrig-and-islam-and-nazi-germanys-war-by-david-motadel-1421441724

‘It’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion,” Hitler complained to his pet architect Albert Speer. “Why did it have to be Christianity, with its meekness and flabbiness?” Islam was a Männerreligion—a “religion of men”—and hygienic too. The “soldiers of Islam” received a warrior’s heaven, “a real earthly paradise” with “houris” and “wine flowing.” This, Hitler argued, was much more suited to the “Germanic temperament” than the “Jewish filth and priestly twaddle” of Christianity.
 
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler#Hitler.27s_views_on_Islam

Plans to destroy Christianity

Bullock wrote that, "once the war was over,promised himself, he would root out and destroy the influence of the Christian Churches".Phayer wrote that "By the latter part of the decade of the thirties church officials were well aware that the ultimate aim of Hitler and other Nazis was the total elimination of Catholicism and of the Christian religion. Since the overwhelming majority of Germans were either Catholic or Protestant this goal had to be a long-term rather than a short-term Nazi objective." According to Shirer, "under the leadership of Rosenberg, Bormann and Himmler—backed by Hitler—the Nazi regime intended to destroy Christianity in Germany, if it could, and substitute the old paganism of the early tribal Germanic gods and the new paganism of the Nazi extremists".

 


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Posted: Jan 16, 2016 - 12:45pm

 rotekz wrote:
Look at this warning on Wikipedia for Hitlers views on Islam. Even they admit the rot.

 

If you could understand how Wikipedia works, you'd know that anyone can add such a disclaimer/note while backing it up on the talk page. It does not mean "Wikipedia" admits to anything. You are however welcome to set the record straight by providing sources that enhance your argument. Alternatively, you could simply rely on such reputable sources as Breitbart or maybe Conservapedia.

So many arguments and so many twistings of the truth.
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Posted: Jan 16, 2016 - 12:39pm

Look at this warning on Wikipedia for Hitlers views on Islam. Even they admit the rot.

 
 

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Posted: Jan 16, 2016 - 12:23pm

 rotekz wrote:
Wikipedia is SJW controlled unfortunately and many sections are completely unreliable.
 

I think I'd rather trust Wikipedia or primary sources than your unsourced/mendacious memes:
"Therefore, I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator: By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work."

or alternatively:
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord"

It's pretty obvious we're in Breitbart territory when we hear about SJWs (and libtards, etc.)
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Posted: Jan 16, 2016 - 12:13pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
This is what happens when you put a hair trigger on the "call Hitler"  button:

There are actual fascists. What will you call them? What credibility will you have left when you do?
 
It's pretty standard fare for the right to blame liberals/the left (for everything and anything).


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Posted: Jan 16, 2016 - 12:12pm



Wikipedia is SJW controlled unfortunately and many sections are completely unreliable.




Unfortunately, American gun control proponents like quoting Professor Harcourt out of context in order to feed their argument. If you read the full context of Harcourt’s report, it is clear the Nazis’ gun control laws were used to oppress the Jewish people.

“If you read the 1938 Nazi gun laws closely and compare them to earlier 1928 Weimar gun legislation – as a straightforward exercise of statutory interpretation – several conclusions become clear. First, with regard to possession and carrying of firearms, the Nazi regime relaxed the gun laws that were in place in Germany at the time the Nazis seized power. Second, the Nazi gun laws of 1938 specifically banned Jewish persons from obtaining a license to manufacture firearms or ammunition. Third, approximately eight months after enacting the 1938 Nazi gun laws, Hitler imposed regulations prohibiting Jewish persons from possessing any dangerous weapons, including firearms.”

Some sites will quote Hitler as saying, “To conquer a nation, you must first disarm its citizens.” While Hitler apparently never said this quote, what he actually did say was far worse.

“The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let’s not have any native militia or native police.”


Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2686274/obama-crying-during-speech-compared-to-adolf-hitler-fake-tears-nazis-gun-control-laws-video/#rPMF3vo4eYfmX8cl.99

 

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Posted: Jan 16, 2016 - 11:48am

 rotekz wrote:
Accusations of racism, misogyny etc.. are a silencing tactic used to avoid debating issues. It's been overused and doesn't work any more.

Also here's two uncomfortable truths about Hitler seeing as you are bringing him up.

1. He used gun control, starting with a very teary emotional speech, to disarm the German populace before taking absolute control.

2. He LOVED Islam saying it was the only religion he respected. He said he was fighting for Allah. Makes sense really considering just how much he hated Jews.

The media are suggesting those dancing girls at Trump's rally are little Nazi's.
link
 


1. Nazi gun control theory - Wikipedia

2. Hitler was a Catholic, and talked (opportunistically) of God (and "The Lord") in his infamous manifesto to a very receptive audience. Germany at the time was a country of +90% Christians. Anti-semitism was rife at the time (and had been for centuries) and by plenty of people incl. Christians (both Protestants and Catholics) and not just in Europe either. 'Allah' is just the Arabic word for God, however it was not 'Allah' that was on the Army's belt buckles.

Hitler's anti-semitism was linked first and foremost to the loss/defeat of WW I. He blamed the Communists (and their "Jew-inspired" (see Marx) ideology).
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Posted: Jan 16, 2016 - 11:04am

 Red_Dragon wrote:

This is what happens when you put a hair trigger on the "call Hitler"  button:
| Aug 27, 2015

The new era of liberal political correctness — in which colleges designate "free speech zones," words like "American" and "mother" are considered discriminatory, and children are suspended from school for firing make-believe weapons — has reached critical mass. If not for the loony sensitivities foisted upon us by the left, someone like Trump would be immediately dismissed as unprofessional and unserious, an incoherent blurter. Instead, he's the equally extreme response to extreme correctness — if everything is offensive in Liberalville, then nothing will be offensive in Trumpland.

It's all absurd, of course. Trump says things that are unequivocally offensive, and regularly. But conservatives (and even comedians) have reached their limit on political correctness. And so Trump supporters will justify nearly everything he says, no matter how bizarre or unbecoming.

Remember, too, liberals taught us a valuable lesson about political correctness that many conservatives haven't forgotten: It's only offensive if you don't like the person saying it. When conservatives tried to accept the liberal rules of political correctness, pointing out Vice President Joe Biden's too-numerous-to-count slurs and gaffes, there was a collective shrug from the left.

So, if the rules are demonstrably stupid, and they only exist for the right, why play by them?

This is how Trump supporters came to be. They have taken the governor off the racecar.


When anybody you disagree with is a fascist then the word fascist just means someone you disagree with.

There are actual fascists. What will you call them? What credibility will you have left when you do?

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Posted: Jan 16, 2016 - 10:40am

Accusations of racism, misogyny etc.. are a silencing tactic used to avoid debating issues. It's been overused and doesn't work any more.

Also here's two uncomfortable truths about Hitler seeing as you are bringing him up.

1. He used gun control, starting with a very teary emotional speech, to disarm the German populace before taking absolute control.

2. He LOVED Islam saying it was the only religion he respected. He said he was fighting for Allah. Makes sense really considering just how much he hated Jews.

 


The media are suggesting those dancing girls at Trump's rally are little Nazi's.
link


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Posted: Jan 16, 2016 - 10:15am

 rotekz wrote:
This is not America? Not American even? Really? 
 

 

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Posted: Jan 16, 2016 - 10:14am


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Posted: Jan 16, 2016 - 10:01am

This is not America? Not American even? Really? 
 
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Posted: Jan 16, 2016 - 9:22am

Just as Trump predicted, Ted Cruz gets his first 'Birther Lawsuit'. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/15/2781159/

How many more will follow and will Trump's main rival be legally forced to quit the race?
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Posted: Jan 16, 2016 - 8:45am

 Red_Dragon wrote:



 

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Posted: Jan 16, 2016 - 8:25am

 rotekz wrote:

Thanks!



 

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Posted: Jan 16, 2016 - 8:01am

 DaveInVA wrote:

You have to post the embed code from the link under the video and then preview before posting or it won't display.

 
Thanks!




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