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Posted: Jan 18, 2016 - 1:04pm

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The irony is that we Americans extol diversity and freedom of  speech and religion as being central to our culture, yet we seem not only to fear the same, but view those attributes as actual threats to that culture. 

 
Put simply, the issue is that we've all seen freedom allow enemies in, and then they destroy the culture.

Disneyland wouldn't look like it does if it tolerated "freedom." There have to be rules that perpetuate the culture/business/society that we want to maintain.

On a big scale, that's what Americans fear: openness will let in the destruction of the culture they cherish (even if it's fictitious). 
 
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Posted: Jan 18, 2016 - 12:32pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

I prefer Kelly:
 

 
There's a lot of truth in that. 
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Posted: Jan 18, 2016 - 12:09pm

 rotekz wrote:

Freedom of speech is in mortal danger across the globe. You only have to look at universities and 'safe space' culture to realize how our youth have become disturbingly indoctrinated. Even Obama has spoken out against the madness.

I endlessly pimp Ben Garrison cartoons, but with good reason.

 

 
I prefer Kelly:
 
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Posted: Jan 18, 2016 - 11:22am

 steeler wrote:

The irony is that we Americans extol diversity and freedom of  speech and religion as being central to our culture, yet we seem not only to fear the same, but view those attributes as actual threats to that culture. 

 
Freedom of speech is in mortal danger across the globe. You only have to look at universities and 'safe space' culture to realize how our youth have become disturbingly indoctrinated. Even Obama has spoken out against the madness.

I endlessly pimp Ben Garrison cartoons, but with good reason.

 


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Posted: Jan 18, 2016 - 11:12am

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It's all very primal, isn't it?  Unconsciously demonizing our neighbor because they're different...we still think we live in small tribes that can be invaded by the enemy at any moment. 

 
The irony is that we Americans extol diversity and freedom of  speech and religion as being central to our culture, yet we seem not only to fear the same, but view those attributes as actual threats to that culture. 
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Posted: Jan 18, 2016 - 11:04am

 steeler wrote:
The problem for all of us — left, right, center — is our inability to discuss issues without becoming offended by opposing viewpoints. That leads to demonizing those holding those viewpoints. The more we seek to justify that as a necessary means to defend our "culture," the further down the rabbit hole we fall. 


 
It's all very primal, isn't it?  Unconsciously demonizing our neighbor because they're different...we still think we live in small tribes that can be invaded by the enemy at any moment. 
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Posted: Jan 18, 2016 - 11:00am


This is a movement! {#Cheesygrin} 




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Posted: Jan 18, 2016 - 10:54am

The problem for all of us — left, right, center — is our inability to discuss issues without becoming offended by opposing viewpoints. That leads to demonizing those holding those viewpoints. The more we seek to justify that as a necessary means to defend our "culture," the further down the rabbit hole we fall. 

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Posted: Jan 18, 2016 - 10:35am

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That was a good list.
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Posted: Jan 18, 2016 - 9:01am

"We want our protection money!" ~ Don the Mob Boss
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Posted: Jan 18, 2016 - 7:44am

Trump rally in Liberty University, Virginia this morning just getting going. Where do they find all these RACISTS! {#Roflol}







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Posted: Jan 18, 2016 - 7:32am

These days accusations of racism are thrown at nearly everything.

15 Moronic Things Liberals Call Racism Since Obama Was Elected

1) Criticizing the IRS: "Republicans are using as their latest weapon in the war against the black man. ‘IRS’ is the new 'N****r.'" — Martin Bashir
2) Having a Republican National Convention during a hurricane: "They are happy to have a party with black people drowning." — Yahoo News Washington bureau chief David Chalian on the Republican National Convention, which was going on at the same time as Hurricane Isaac.
3) Wanting to own a gun to prevent break-ins: "I am loathe to bring up what is in our head because we don’t like to talk about it so much. But on this particular day, on Martin Luther King Day, I think this needs to be said. That imaginary person that’s going to break into your home and kill you, who does that person look like? You know, it’s not freckle-faced Jimmy down the street, is it really? I mean, that’s not what really, that’s not what really people, we never really want to talk about the racial or the class part of this, in terms of how it’s the poor or it’s people of color that we imagine that we’re afraid of. Why are we afraid? What is that, and it’s been a fear that has existed for a very, very long time." — Michael Moore
4) Mentioning the "Constitution" or "respect for the Founding Fathers:" "The language of GOP racial politics is heavy on euphemisms that allow the speaker to deny any responsibility for the racial content of his message,” Williams wrote. “References to a lack of respect for the ‘Founding Fathers’ and the ‘Constitution’ also make certain ears perk up by demonizing anyone supposedly threatening core ‘old-fashioned American values.’" — Juan Williams
5) Calling Obama "angry:" "That really bothered me. You notice (Romney) said anger twice. He’s really trying to use racial coding and access some really deep stereotypes about the angry black man. This is part of the playbook against Obama, the ‘otherization,’ he’s not like us. I know it’s a heavy thing, I don’t say it lightly, but this is ‘n*ggerization.’" — Touré
6) Saying that Barack Obama lies: "Surrounded by middle-aged white guys — a sepia snapshot of the days when such pols ran Washington like their own men’s club — Joe Wilson yelled “You lie!” at a president who didn’t. But, fair or not, what I heard was an unspoken word in the air: You lie, boy!" — Maureen Dowd
7) Noting that Obama is privileged: "Spotlighting his elite education is tantamount to racial bigotry because it insinuates that 'he took the place of someone else through affirmative action, that someone else being someone white.'" — Jonathan Capehart
8) Saying that unions boss Obama around: "The Republican Party is saying that the President of the United States has bosses, that the union bosses this President around, the unions boss him around. Does that sound to you like they are trying to consciously or subconsciously deliver the racist message that, of course, of course a black man can’t be the real boss?" — Lawrence O’Donnell
9) Supporting voter ID: “If you go back to the year 2000, when we had an obvious disaster and – and saw that our voting process needed refinement, and we did that in the America Votes Act and made sure that we could iron out those kinks, now you have the Republicans, who want to literally drag us all the way back to Jim Crow laws and literally – and very transparently – block access to the polls to voters who are more likely to vote Democratic candidates than Republican candidates. And it’s nothing short of that blatant.” — Debbie Wasserman Schultz
10) Saying "I want my country back:" "Do you remember tea baggers? It was just so much easier when we could just call them racists. I just don’t know why we can’t call them racists, or functionally retarded adults. The functionally retarded adults, the racists – with their cries of, ‘I want my country back. You know what they’re really saying is, ‘I want my white guy back.’ They apparently had no problem at all for the last eight years of habeas corpus being suspended, the Constitution being on, illegal surveillance, lied to on a war or two, two stolen elections – yes, the John Kerry one was stolen too. That’s not tin-foil hat time. ” — Janeane Garofalo
11) Being fans of Herman Cain: "One of the things about Herman Cain is, I think that he makes that white Republican base of the party feel okay, feel like they are not racist because they can like this guy. I think he(he’s) giving that base a free pass. And I think they like him because they think he’s a black man who knows his place. I know that’s harsh, but that’s how it sure seems to me." — Karen Finney
12) Fighting for the 2nd Amendment: "I believe the NRA is the new KKK. And that the arming of so many black youths, uh, and loading up our community with drugs, and then just having an open shooting gallery, is the work of people who obviously don’t have our best interests ." — Jason Whitlock
13) Republicans trying to keep Obama from being reelected:"Look at, look, the Tea Partiers, who are controlling the Republican Party….Their stated policy, publicly stated, is to do whatever it takes to see to it that Obama only serves one term. What’s, what does that, what underlines that? ‘Screw the country. We’re going to (do) whatever we (can) do to get this black man, we can, we’re going to do whatever we can to get this black man outta here.’… It is a racist thing." — Morgan Freeman
14) Disliking the fact that Obama is President: "They can’t stand the idea that he’s president, and a piece of it is racism. Not that somebody in one racial group doesn’t like somebody in another racial group, so what? It’s the sense that the white race must rule, that’s what racism is, and they can’t stand the idea that a man who’s not white is president. That is real, that sense of racial superiority and rule is in the hearts of some people in this country." — Chris Matthews
15) Disliking Barack Obama: "I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he’s African-American." —Jimmy Carter


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Posted: Jan 18, 2016 - 6:38am

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When I read this article, I thought of my experiences here at Radio Paradise. It was here on the forum pages of this website that I met the most ardent defenders of political correctness and the righteousness of the left. Starting with the 2004 election, I felt angry and isolated after my interactions with people here. I have since left that phase of my life behind, but I can understand how people that are still confronting political correctness and are upset about it could support a man like Trump and what he stands for. I think that a lot of Americans are fed up. They are fed up with all of it, but particularly with people telling them how to think and how they are stupid when they don't agree with the party line. Thus, Trump is their savior: someone who is not afraid to say things that are controversial and is smart enough to give as good as he gets on the political attack front. He is the guy you wished you were when a smug uber liberal taunts you during an internet argument. He is the guy that you wish you had in your corner when when you say something out loud and are immediately triple and quadruple teamed by the PC policemen who dice you up with their long knives. I don't post many political things on Facebook anymore and have unfriended most of the RP attack dogs that follow me there to pick fights and defend the Liberal Realm, but I can see how there are a lot of people that are feeling their ideals and way of life being threatened and want a champion. 

That being said, I do not condone Donald Trump's actions and words. He appeals to our darker side as a country. I won't vote for him. In fact, I fear for what will happen to our country if he gets elected. But I know that Trump did not come from a vacuum, and his success has to be attributed to a larger phenomenon than some would understand and admit. Is it too late to avoid a Trumpian fate? Hopefully not, but karma is a bitch, so we had better prepare for the backlash. 

And for me, I'm going back to my listener and lurker status. {#Wave}  

 
This a thousand times over. And it is truly unfortunate that he can get this much traction.

And all the angst over "political correctness" is overblown too. Replace that word with "politeness" and everything you said would still be true except that is it simply what's expected. You can have too much politeness as well. 

But I hope that this is the last gasp of a dying breed. It's getting riled up because it has been repressed so much by better new paradigm. I imagine most dynasties don't go away easy, so it shouldn't be a surprise. But it will still be ugly. 
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Posted: Jan 18, 2016 - 6:09am

 Mugro wrote:

When I read this article, I thought of my experiences here at Radio Paradise. It was here on the forum pages of this website that I met the most ardent defenders of political correctness and the righteousness of the left. Starting with the 2004 election, I felt angry and isolated after my interactions with people here. I have since left that phase of my life behind, but I can understand how people that are still confronting political correctness and are upset about it could support a man like Trump and what he stands for. I think that a lot of Americans are fed up. They are fed up with all of it, but particularly with people telling them how to think and how they are stupid when they don't agree with the party line. Thus, Trump is their savior: someone who is not afraid to say things that are controversial and is smart enough to give as good as he gets on the political attack front. He is the guy you wished you were when a smug uber liberal taunts you during an internet argument. He is the guy that you wish you had in your corner when when you say something out loud and are immediately triple and quadruple teamed by the PC policemen who dice you up with their long knives. I don't post many political things on Facebook anymore and have unfriended most of the RP attack dogs that follow me there to pick fights and defend the Liberal Realm, but I can see how there are a lot of people that are feeling their ideals and way of life being threatened and want a champion. 

That being said, I do not condone Donald Trump's actions and words. He appeals to our darker side as a country. I won't vote for him. In fact, I fear for what will happen to our country if he gets elected. But I know that Trump did not come from a vacuum, and his success has to be attributed to a larger phenomenon than some would understand and admit. Is it too late to avoid a Trumpian fate? Hopefully not, but karma is a bitch, so we had better prepare for the backlash. 

And for me, I'm going back to my listener and lurker status. {#Wave}  

 
I'm kinda hoping either Trump or Sanders wins.  No one really wants clinton, bush, rubio...maybe it's time to give the people what they want and let em tear this place up (tongue in cheek?).
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Posted: Jan 18, 2016 - 5:23am

And **sigh** every time I try to articulate why people are attracted to such an obvious social neanderthal and epic asshole even while making the disclaimer that I do not agree with most of the content of his personal barbs and off the cuff thinkless (new word maybe?) remarks, I still have to disclaim that I would never vote for him and he would make a terrible President.  Having said that, the idea of his lack of filter in social situations and the fresh direction he steers the conversation of the candidates (candidate?) that can actually prevail in this rigged system is important and quite frankly this is why I am glad he is running.  It is way bigger than any of the candidates that are on the main stage, it is all about the process and content of the debate.


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Posted: Jan 18, 2016 - 4:43am

 Mugro wrote:

When I read this article, I thought of my experiences here at Radio Paradise. It was here on the forum pages of this website that I met the most ardent defenders of political correctness and the righteousness of the left. Starting with the 2004 election, I felt angry and isolated after my interactions with people here. I have since left that phase of my life behind, but I can understand how people that are still confronting political correctness and are upset about it could support a man like Trump and what he stands for. I think that a lot of Americans are fed up. They are fed up with all of it, but particularly with people telling them how to think and how they are stupid when they don't agree with the party line. Thus, Trump is their savior: someone who is not afraid to say things that are controversial and is smart enough to give as good as he gets on the political attack front. He is the guy you wished you were when a smug uber liberal taunts you during an internet argument. He is the guy that you wish you had in your corner when when you say something out loud and are immediately triple and quadruple teamed by the PC policemen who dice you up with their long knives. I don't post many political things on Facebook anymore and have unfriended most of the RP attack dogs that follow me there to pick fights and defend the Liberal Realm, but I can see how there are a lot of people that are feeling their ideals and way of life being threatened and want a champion. 

That being said, I do not condone Donald Trump's actions and words. He appeals to our darker side as a country. I won't vote for him. In fact, I fear for what will happen to our country if he gets elected. But I know that Trump did not come from a vacuum, and his success has to be attributed to a larger phenomenon than some would understand and admit. Is it too late to avoid a Trumpian fate? Hopefully not, but karma is a bitch, so we had better prepare for the backlash. 

And for me, I'm going back to my listener and lurker status. {#Wave}  

 
You are not alone!{#Wave}
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Posted: Jan 18, 2016 - 4:26am

 Lazy8 wrote:
 Red_Dragon wrote:

This is what happens when you put a hair trigger on the "call Hitler"  button:
| Aug 27, 2015

The new era of liberal political correctness — in which colleges designate "free speech zones," words like "American" and "mother" are considered discriminatory, and children are suspended from school for firing make-believe weapons — has reached critical mass. If not for the loony sensitivities foisted upon us by the left, someone like Trump would be immediately dismissed as unprofessional and unserious, an incoherent blurter. Instead, he's the equally extreme response to extreme correctness — if everything is offensive in Liberalville, then nothing will be offensive in Trumpland.

It's all absurd, of course. Trump says things that are unequivocally offensive, and regularly. But conservatives (and even comedians) have reached their limit on political correctness. And so Trump supporters will justify nearly everything he says, no matter how bizarre or unbecoming.

Remember, too, liberals taught us a valuable lesson about political correctness that many conservatives haven't forgotten: It's only offensive if you don't like the person saying it. When conservatives tried to accept the liberal rules of political correctness, pointing out Vice President Joe Biden's too-numerous-to-count slurs and gaffes, there was a collective shrug from the left.

So, if the rules are demonstrably stupid, and they only exist for the right, why play by them?

This is how Trump supporters came to be. They have taken the governor off the racecar.


When anybody you disagree with is a fascist then the word fascist just means someone you disagree with.

There are actual fascists. What will you call them? What credibility will you have left when you do?


 
When I read this article, I thought of my experiences here at Radio Paradise. It was here on the forum pages of this website that I met the most ardent defenders of political correctness and the righteousness of the left. Starting with the 2004 election, I felt angry and isolated after my interactions with people here. I have since left that phase of my life behind, but I can understand how people that are still confronting political correctness and are upset about it could support a man like Trump and what he stands for. I think that a lot of Americans are fed up. They are fed up with all of it, but particularly with people telling them how to think and how they are stupid when they don't agree with the party line. Thus, Trump is their savior: someone who is not afraid to say things that are controversial and is smart enough to give as good as he gets on the political attack front. He is the guy you wished you were when a smug uber liberal taunts you during an internet argument. He is the guy that you wish you had in your corner when when you say something out loud and are immediately triple and quadruple teamed by the PC policemen who dice you up with their long knives. I don't post many political things on Facebook anymore and have unfriended most of the RP attack dogs that follow me there to pick fights and defend the Liberal Realm, but I can see how there are a lot of people that are feeling their ideals and way of life being threatened and want a champion. 

That being said, I do not condone Donald Trump's actions and words. He appeals to our darker side as a country. I won't vote for him. In fact, I fear for what will happen to our country if he gets elected. But I know that Trump did not come from a vacuum, and his success has to be attributed to a larger phenomenon than some would understand and admit. Is it too late to avoid a Trumpian fate? Hopefully not, but karma is a bitch, so we had better prepare for the backlash. 

And for me, I'm going back to my listener and lurker status. {#Wave}  
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Posted: Jan 17, 2016 - 11:41pm

 kurtster wrote:

Political correctness has killed the ability to have any discussions of facts, devoid of theory and emotion, which is my interpretation of pragmatism.  

 

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Posted: Jan 17, 2016 - 11:00am

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kurtster wrote:

   Seeings how your an open border guy an all

  
You're confusing me with a libertarian. I'm a pragmatist.

I'm all for keeping out dangerous criminals. That's why we have a thorough and reasonably effective screening process for refugees.

As for immigrants from Mexico, if we build the wall as Trump suggests, we will prevent the net emigration back to Mexico from the US that has been occurring, resulting in more of them being in the US than would be here if we don't build a wall. But don't worry, a lower percentage of them are criminals compared to your fellow illegal descendants of anchor babies, so keeping them on this side of the wall should benefit us with respect to crime. Indeed, we have waves of immigration that have occured to thank for lower crime rates. Only problem is, immigrants who stay often start families, and after a generation or two of pumping out "native born" illegal Americans, their descendants (being natives) would be expected to be more crimey. We could pass a law to require vasectomy as a prerequisite for citizenship, but eventually that would drive population down so much we would have even more problems with filling job openings, and would have to expand work visa programs, I imagine.

 
Riiiiight.  If you say so.

I have a hard time understanding how not believing that there is such a thing as illegal immigration to the US in the first place does not mean embracing open borders.  I used to think that I am a pragmatist first and foremost, but since someone brought the thought of being pragnostic to my attention, I'm starting to rethink some things.  The religious attachments to the term prognostic don't apply to me, rather that pragmatism is dead and I have lost faith in it.  

Political correctness has killed the ability to have any discussions of facts, devoid of theory and emotion, which is my interpretation of pragmatism.  The case of jihad ... it is not a criminal act, it is a state of war.  To treat it like a street crime is just plain insane.  It may implement street crimes to achieve its ends, but to trivialize these crimes as just work place violence, prevents the understanding of its true nature.  

At any rate, this can has been kicked down the road since the Amnesty deal made during Reagan's term has turned out to be nothing more than lies and broken promises.  No one was talking about fixing it since then that could draw national attention to it, until Trump showed up.  And by fixing it, I don't mean passing a 2,000 page omnibus legaleeze blank check for bureaucrats to make the decisions and create regulations.  10 pages should be enough, with everything spelled out in no uncertain terms.  Uncertainty is the enemy of peace and resolution.  IMO, the last 7 years have brought about the deliberate growth of uncertainly to instill fear and divide into our national fabric and destroy us from within by turning us against each other.  Furthermore, political correctness has made the conversations necessary to fix the divide impossible to have.  

If there is no such thing as an illegal immigrant, then we don't have an immigration problem.
 
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