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Posted: Sep 19, 2017 - 10:51am

There are no easy answers to this issue, but in response to the neighbour analogy, I can tell you what I would NOT do:  kill my neighbour's family.  
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Posted: Sep 19, 2017 - 10:45am

 miamizsun wrote:




 
BAM! Next question!
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Posted: Sep 19, 2017 - 10:40am

 buzz wrote:

Not stupid? Do you think he is mentally stable? You are betting with a lot of people lives while you sit comfortably out of range. Firing an ICBM over Japan is an act of war. What if one of his "stunts" goes wrong? What about your neighbor continually threatening your family while improving his aim? Would you wait until he pops a cap in your wife?
 
What would Hillary or Bernie have done? How would they have handled the problem better? How did Obama's policy of strategic patients work out? No better than the policies of Bush or Clinton before him.
 
What if your neighbor fires a shot over your house? Would that change anything?
 
Questions. I got shitloads of 'em.
 
I'd like to hear from the Libertarians also.  

 


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Posted: Sep 19, 2017 - 10:33am

 Red_Dragon wrote:

He understands how the awful game is played.

The genie is out of the bottle; there is no way North Korea is going to eliminate its nuclear capability. The world has to learn to live with another country with the bomb, just as it's learned to deal with all the other countries with th bomb. The US having a president with the tact of a poorly-disciplined 6 year-old doesn't help.

 
How do you KNOW
 
 
off to work. y'all have a nice day. 
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Posted: Sep 19, 2017 - 10:29am

 buzz wrote:

Not stupid? Do you think he is mentally stable? You are betting with a lot of people lives while you sit comfortably out of range. Firing an ICBM over Japan is an act of war. What if one of his "stunts" goes wrong? What about your neighbor continually threatening your family while improving his aim? Would you wait until he pops a cap in your wife?
 
What would Hillary or Bernie have done? How would they have handled the problem better? How did Obama's policy of strategic patients work out? No better than the policies of Bush or Clinton before him.
 
What if your neighbor fires a shot over your house? Would that change anything?
 
Questions. I got shitloads of 'em.
 
I'd like to hear from the Libertarians also.  

 
He understands how the awful game is played.

The genie is out of the bottle; there is no way North Korea is going to eliminate its nuclear capability. The world has to learn to live with another country with the bomb, just as it's learned to deal with all the other countries with th bomb. The US having a president with the tact of a poorly-disciplined 6 year-old doesn't help.
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Posted: Sep 19, 2017 - 10:25am

 Red_Dragon wrote:

I bet is that if the rest of the world accepts the fact of North Korea's nuclear status, North Korea will stop the threats. Kim is not stupid; he understands that as long as he possesses the weapons, no one will use theirs against him. This is how the madness of nuclear weapons has worked for decades.

 
Not stupid? Do you think he is mentally stable? You are betting with a lot of people lives while you sit comfortably out of range. Firing an ICBM over Japan is an act of war. What if one of his "stunts" goes wrong? What about your neighbor continually threatening your family while improving his aim? Would you wait until he pops a cap in your wife?
 
What would Hillary or Bernie have done? How would they have handled the problem better? How did Obama's policy of strategic patients work out? No better than the policies of Bush or Clinton before him.
 
What if your neighbor fires a shot over your house? Would that change anything?
 
Questions. I got shitloads of 'em.
 
I'd like to hear from the Libertarians also.  
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Posted: Sep 19, 2017 - 10:08am

 buzz wrote:

Other nations don't threaten to use their nukes against others. NOKO does. 
 
How long would you tolerate your neighbor threatening to kill you and your family? Lots of people own weapons, hammers, and hands but don't threaten to use them. What if your neighbor continually threatened your family while he was taking target practice?  

 
My bet is that if the rest of the world accepts the fact of North Korea's nuclear status, North Korea will stop the threats. Kim is not stupid; he understands that as long as he possesses the weapons, no one will use theirs against him. This is how the madness of nuclear weapons has worked for decades.


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Posted: Sep 19, 2017 - 10:04am

 Red_Dragon wrote:

How about this. North Korean IS a nuclear power now. Let's start treating it like one. Do we impose sanctions and make threats against the other nuclear powers in an effort to get them to give up their insane weapons of mass destruction? No. We live with the elephant in the room and deal with them like we deal with other nations.

 
Other nations don't threaten to use their nukes against others. NOKO does. 
 
How long would you tolerate your neighbor threatening to kill you and your family? Lots of people own weapons, hammers, and hands but don't threaten to use them. What if your neighbor continually threatened your family while he was taking target practice?  
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Posted: Sep 19, 2017 - 9:59am

 buzz wrote:
First off, I'm not supporting or agreeing with Trump. All I'm doing is asking questions that nobody has answered. It's easy to mock Trump and his policies, any moron can do that. We have tried diplomacy for 25 years. What do we do if/when Kim drops a bomb on someone? What if it's a nuke? What if his last missile test had gone wrong and killed a lot of Japanese? NOKO continues to threaten us and It's neighbors. At what point does the world make it stop? Before or after the deaths of millions? Mocking is easy and produces nothing. I know this, it's been a hobby of mine for years. I would like to hear something real.

 
How about this. North Korean IS a nuclear power now. Let's start treating it like one. Do we impose sanctions and make threats against the other nuclear powers in an effort to get them to give up their insane weapons of mass destruction? No. We live with the elephant in the room and deal with them like we deal with other nations.
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Posted: Sep 19, 2017 - 9:51am

First off, I'm not supporting or agreeing with Trump. All I'm doing is asking questions that nobody has answered. It's easy to mock Trump and his policies, any moron can do that. We have tried diplomacy for 25 years. What do we do if/when Kim drops a bomb on someone? What if it's a nuke? What if his last missile test had gone wrong and killed a lot of Japanese? NOKO continues to threaten us and It's neighbors. At what point does the world make it stop? Before or after the deaths of millions? Mocking is easy and produces nothing. I know this, it's been a hobby of mine for years. I would like to hear something real.
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Posted: Sep 19, 2017 - 9:45am

 Red_Dragon wrote:

I don't know, but it certainly wouldn't involve "total destruction".

 
Yea, not sure when the last time was that a world leader threatened the total destruction of one country in a UN address. Trump doesn't have a diplomatic bone in his body. He drives nails with a sledgehammer. And what's this "Rocket Man" nonsense?... it's like he's creating a Marvel villain. 
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Posted: Sep 19, 2017 - 9:28am

 buzz wrote:

Just out of curiosity, how would you deal with N Korea?

 
I think it's a good question because it's easy to say "that's wrong" (and it is) but you need your eyes on the end game. If you just move around saying "you suck and you suck and you suck and you suck" it might feel good to vent - but that's a crap long range plan.
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Posted: Sep 19, 2017 - 9:17am

 buzz wrote:

Just out of curiosity, how would you deal with N Korea?

 
I don't know, but it certainly wouldn't involve "total destruction".
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Posted: Sep 19, 2017 - 9:14am

 buzz wrote:

Just out of curiosity, how would you deal with N Korea?

 
The temptation to lift Pyongyang a few yards into the air and put it back down again is strong. But someone wrote that what we should do is erode any public support by dropping about a million iPhones that're connected to the outside world.
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Posted: Sep 19, 2017 - 9:05am

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"rocket man" "totally destroy"

raving fucking lunatic

 
Just out of curiosity, how would you deal with N Korea?
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Posted: Sep 19, 2017 - 8:49am

"rocket man" "totally destroy"

raving fucking lunatic
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Posted: Sep 19, 2017 - 7:01am

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Posted: Sep 19, 2017 - 6:55am

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Fake Trump tweet

 

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Posted: Sep 18, 2017 - 6:31pm

 Steely_D wrote:

It'll be a good time to break out his "whataboutism" problem.

"Why is no one investigating Paul Prudhomme and his blackened redfish? The fake media let him get away with that for years. I don't know if the redfish is a garbage fish; I'll let someone else figure that out. And we all know that Hillary was considering eating fish when Benghazi occurred and American lives were lost. You don't hear about it on all the other stations, but I watched them talk about steak yesterday morning on Fox & Friends and, believe me, they really liked their steaks with ketchup. My lovely daughter, Ivanka, also loves steak well done. Ivanka come over here a minute and stand with your daddy, the President of the United States."

 

Fake Trump tweet


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Posted: Sep 18, 2017 - 5:12pm

 Steely_D wrote:

It'll be a good time to break out his "whataboutism" problem.

"Why is no one investigating Paul Prudhomme and his blackened redfish? The fake media let him get away with that for years. I don't know if the redfish is a garbage fish; I'll let someone else figure that out. And we all know that Hillary was considering eating fish when Benghazi occurred and American lives were lost. You don't hear about it on all the other stations, but I watched them talk about steak yesterday morning on Fox & Friends and, believe me, they really liked their steaks with ketchup. My lovely daughter, Ivanka, also loves steak well done. Ivanka come over here a minute and stand with your daddy, the President of the United States."

 
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