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haresfur

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Posted: Aug 29, 2017 - 8:49pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
 islander wrote:
Hmmm... 

I'll take awful and incompetent at enacting a horrible agenda over Holier than me and and likely to legislate it that way. 

PJ O'Rourke said it well after he endorsed Hillary Clinton: "She's wrong about absolutely everything, but she's wrong within normal parameters." That applies to Pence as well.

 
Well the new normal, anyway
Lazy8

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Posted: Aug 29, 2017 - 8:44pm

 islander wrote:
Hmmm... 

I'll take awful and incompetent at enacting a horrible agenda over Holier than me and and likely to legislate it that way. 

PJ O'Rourke said it well after he endorsed Hillary Clinton: "She's wrong about absolutely everything, but she's wrong within normal parameters." That applies to Pence as well.
kurtster

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Posted: Aug 29, 2017 - 8:40pm

 VV wrote:


Wait? What? All the great dialog and points made by Beanie, Steeler and Lazy8 (among others) and the best you can do is rebut how he amassed his wealth?
 
Sad really. 

 
I'll get to those.  I'm still thinking about an appropriate response.  Just checking in to show I'm still paying attention.  Like I said, just chipping away.

Like how about the thought that regardless of what kind of outreach is made, that nearly everything Trump or those who voted for him want are opposed by everyone else, completely and are dismissed as either ridiculous or just plain wrong out of the gate.  So what is there to talk about ?  It's RESIST, everything.   No compromise on the part of those opposed to Trump.  How do you get anywhere from there ?

And then those who do wish to try to talk about Trump to his supporters try to limit the discussion in their terms and terminology only.  You must use their definitions exclusively.  Any effort to express the same things with a different point of view is stopped in its tracks before it even gets started.  Only one point of view is allowed.  Such as there is no such thing as illegal immigration.  How do you talk about that with people who refuse to acknowledge its existence ?  Its like our way of thinking should not even be allowed to exist in the first place and must be silenced, forever.  

Its pointless under these circumstances.

Oh and we're supposed to get over all the names and insults thrown at us en masse.  Its ok for them to use words in a hateful way, but not the KKK for example ...
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Posted: Aug 29, 2017 - 8:21pm

 kurtster wrote:

Just chipping away at the myths one at a time.  Going from memory, upon graduation from Wharton, his father loaned him $1 or $10 mil to get started and he paid the amount back.  He got a head start, but made the most of an opportunity.  Come the end of the 1980's IIRC he was down to under a $100 million.  Since then he has bounced back to $3 billion (at least).  He made that money.  His daddy din't give it to him.  That is a major accomplishment.  At least in my book.  You don't recover like that by being stupid.  He did that in real estate, not Wall Street.

So regardless of everything else, his daddy just gave him a head start.  The rest he did.  I doubt this knowledge will change anyone's opinion of him, but at least be aware of the real circumstances of his wealth and how he got it.

 

Wait? What? All the great dialog and points made by Beanie, Steeler and Lazy8 (among others) and the best you can do is rebut how he amassed his wealth?
 
Sad really. 
kurtster

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Posted: Aug 29, 2017 - 6:56pm

 kcar wrote:


Many news organization, including the WSJ, dispute Trump's claim about a $1 million loan from his dad. The known facts are considerably more complex.  
 
Did Donald Trump inherit $100 million?

Occupy Democrats graphic oversimplifies Trump's inheritance
 
These are the only two links that I could get to without paying or registering.  I haven't cleared cookies in a while.

So what I said was basically correct in that he got a loan to get started and paid it back.  Along the way he learned how to run a business and made money and lost money.  Sure, he could have done nothing and just invested it in Wall Street, but instead he is a builder, he went out and took chances.  And learned along the way.

No one is disputing that he had around $100 million or more but not much more in the 1990's and has grown that to $3 billion and by taking risks and getting rewards.  It also means he spent a lot of money creating and building things, putting money to work, putting people to work in the economy, not just putting it into a mutual fund and keeping it to himself along the way.

Isn't that how it is supposed to work ?  Many people have made fortunes, lost them and rebounded rather well and more than just once.  That is supposed to be a character flaw ?  Since when ?


Beanie

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Posted: Aug 29, 2017 - 5:42pm

 kcar wrote: Thank you.
He's only ever made money by cheating other people



kcar

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Posted: Aug 29, 2017 - 5:22pm

 kurtster wrote:

Just chipping away at the myths one at a time.  Going from memory, upon graduation from Wharton, his father loaned him $1 or $10 mil to get started and he paid the amount back.  He got a head start, but made the most of an opportunity.  Come the end of the 1980's IIRC he was down to under a $100 million.  Since then he has bounced back to $3 billion (at least).  He made that money.  His daddy din't give it to him.  That is a major accomplishment.  At least in my book.  You don't recover like that by being stupid.  He did that in real estate, not Wall Street.

So regardless of everything else, his daddy just gave him a head start.  The rest he did.  I doubt this knowledge will change anyone's opinion of him, but at least be aware of the real circumstances of his wealth and how he got it.

 

Many news organization, including the WSJ, dispute Trump's claim about a $1 million loan from his dad. The known facts are considerably more complex.  


 Trump’s false claim he built his empire with a ‘small loan’ from his father


 

Did Donald Trump inherit $100 million?

Occupy Democrats graphic oversimplifies Trump's inheritance

 

The 1 Easy Way Donald Trump Could Have Been Even Richer: Doing Nothing

Trump’s Father Helped GOP Candidate With Numerous Loans







kurtster

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Posted: Aug 29, 2017 - 4:48pm

 pigtail wrote:

Um no.......You are assuming all of us are resentful because he is rich.  I could care less how well off he and his family are.  Please don't discount that fact that his daddy made the money, not him.  Also, what says that the amount of money you make, make you a success in life?  If anyone is the epitome of that myth, its Trump.  Trump is NOT living my fantasy life.  He is an abomination of exactly what is wrong with morality, judgement and is unfortunately in a position to represent me due to his position in the country.  I have no problem with him taking his riches and doing what he wishes to do, lawfully.

 
Just chipping away at the myths one at a time.  Going from memory, upon graduation from Wharton, his father loaned him $1 or $10 mil to get started and he paid the amount back.  He got a head start, but made the most of an opportunity.  Come the end of the 1980's IIRC he was down to under a $100 million.  Since then he has bounced back to $3 billion (at least).  He made that money.  His daddy din't give it to him.  That is a major accomplishment.  At least in my book.  You don't recover like that by being stupid.  He did that in real estate, not Wall Street.

So regardless of everything else, his daddy just gave him a head start.  The rest he did.  I doubt this knowledge will change anyone's opinion of him, but at least be aware of the real circumstances of his wealth and how he got it.
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Aug 29, 2017 - 4:22pm

Fake news! So sad!
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Aug 29, 2017 - 4:20pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
Don't let the perfectly awful be the enemy of the imperfectly awful.

I honestly can't decide which is the frying pan and which the fire.

 


islander

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Posted: Aug 29, 2017 - 4:07pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
Don't let the perfectly awful be the enemy of the imperfectly awful.

 
Hmmm... 

I'll take awful and incompetent at enacting a horrible agenda over Holier than me and and likely to legislate it that way. 




aflanigan

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Posted: Aug 29, 2017 - 2:58pm

Geez, what is this, the Lazy8 tongue bath forum??

(He does have sparkly eyes, though)

{#Hearteyes} 

p.s. My kids wouldn't put me in a political reeducation camp, but if I get too drooly and raving they might try to save $ by keeping me penned in the back yard.
maryte

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Posted: Aug 29, 2017 - 2:02pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
 Beanie wrote:
BTW.  F*cking brilliant.  Really.

Shucks, but while my inner smartass can't help but snark like that my emerging politician feels like it's too clever by a quarter or so. A dog whistle to people who get the reference and a dig at people who don't. Those two battle all the time.

Usually the snark wins.

 

Which is why we love you.  Or maybe that's just me.  {#Shifty}
Lazy8

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Posted: Aug 29, 2017 - 1:57pm

 Beanie wrote:
BTW.  F*cking brilliant.  Really.

Shucks, but while my inner smartass can't help but snark like that my emerging politician feels like it's too clever by a quarter or so. A dog whistle to people who get the reference and a dig at people who don't. Those two battle all the time.

Usually the snark wins.
Beanie

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Posted: Aug 29, 2017 - 1:52pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:

But... Pence

 
Well, yeah.  There is that.  So ideally, you wait until after the 2018 election, so you can flip the Senate and neutralize him.  But I don't know if we will survive that long.  Might have to take our chances with him having all of Congress for 8 months or so...
Beanie

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Posted: Aug 29, 2017 - 1:50pm

 Lazy8 wrote:


I also want to point out that almost none of the Trump voters I know live in dystopian trailer park ghettos, wallowing in despair and opioid addiction—most of those folks don't vote for anybody. They have reasonably comfortable lives for the most part, and they care about their country. My trucker friend is making a decent living, but he's constantly having to deal with new burdens imposed on him and he's scrambling to keep from sliding backward rather than to get ahead. Yeah, that's a sample size of one, but if I tell you about the other hundred or so people I know who voted for MAGAmemnon I'd have to tell you an equally long story about each, and their unique problems. Problems that only look like nails if they aren't yours.
 
BTW.  F*cking brilliant.  Really.


Lazy8

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Posted: Aug 29, 2017 - 1:47pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:
But... Pence 

Don't let the perfectly awful be the enemy of the imperfectly awful.
Lazy8

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Posted: Aug 29, 2017 - 1:45pm

 aflanigan wrote:
Let's hope they don't find out too much about our political opinions, or they might be the ones who put us behind the fence.

{#Wink} 

p.s. I love the "MAGAmemnon" moniker. May I steal it with attribution?

Let's try to stop the powers that be from putting thoughtcrimes on the books so both of us can sleep easier.

And have at it, attribution or no.
Lazy8

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Posted: Aug 29, 2017 - 1:43pm

 aflanigan wrote:
To a certain extent, yes. But as this article points out, there is a substantial amount of political math involved in the calculus of impeachment (is that a mixed metaphor?). If Trump's numbers were to slide down to the neighborhood of Nixon's popularity just prior to resigning, the odds are probably greater for his removal from office if the GOP leadership in Congress believes they see the writing on the wall. It is unlikely that Trump's popularity would go below 30% if he keeps the loyalty of his base; hence, the answer people (especially die hard members of his base of support) provide to the question of "do you support Trump" is potentially relevant.

The answer to the question means a lot to a congressman with his finger to the wind. To the person answering the question? Not so much.
aflanigan

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Posted: Aug 29, 2017 - 1:15pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
  My free time is largely gone. I'm neglecting more-enjoyable pursuits (like arguing on the internet and riding motorcycles) but I have to face those grandkids someday. And I don't want to do it thru a barbed wire fence.

 
Let's hope they don't find out too much about our political opinions, or they might be the ones who put us behind the fence.

{#Wink} 

p.s. I love the "MAGAmemnon" moniker. May I steal it with attribution?


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