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Posted: Mar 15, 2016 - 12:59pm

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Whatever capitalism is / was in this country ... it no longer exists.

It cannot when the concept of "too big to fail" is the government's official policy.  With pure capitalism, nothing is too big to fail.

It cannot exist when the government picks winners and losers.
 
All hail purity!
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Posted: Mar 15, 2016 - 12:59pm

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seldom neither...{#Wink}

 
right, and seldom neither.
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Posted: Mar 15, 2016 - 12:52pm

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how a masculinity expert, the creator of dilbert, and howard stern saw trump’s destiny before anyone else had a clue https://t.co/yIU4tjMf5Y
 
"So I’m watching Donald Trump walk up to a stick fight with a flamethrower in his hands that only I can see. It’s like an invisible flamethrower! And the only reason I can see it is I have the same tool box.” {#Roflol}
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Posted: Mar 15, 2016 - 12:51pm

Whatever capitalism is / was in this country ... it no longer exists.

It cannot when the concept of "too big to fail" is the government's official policy.  With pure capitalism, nothing is too big to fail.

It cannot exist when the government picks winners and losers.

 
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Posted: Mar 15, 2016 - 12:49pm

 black321 wrote:
 Lazy8 wrote:
 R_P wrote:
It depends on how broad or narrow (and I might add ideologically rigid) you choose to define capitalism.

At its narrowest it's commonly just about private ownership and profit, but it can easily accommodate other aspects, including myriad forms of corruption (both by government and business entities).

Yes, anybody gets to define anything. And the story of capitalism has mostly been told by its enemies.

As a political ideology it's pretty simple: in a capitalist society all transactions are voluntary, by which I mean uncoerced. No threats of violence.

As a boogieman capitalism is "People making money, especially people I hate."


Capitalism is either a utopia, or dystopia...usually both.

 
seldom neither...{#Wink}
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Posted: Mar 15, 2016 - 12:46pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
 R_P wrote:
It depends on how broad or narrow (and I might add ideologically rigid) you choose to define capitalism.

At its narrowest it's commonly just about private ownership and profit, but it can easily accommodate other aspects, including myriad forms of corruption (both by government and business entities).

Yes, anybody gets to define anything. And the story of capitalism has mostly been told by its enemies.

As a political ideology it's pretty simple: in a capitalist society all transactions are voluntary, by which I mean uncoerced. No threats of violence.

As a boogieman capitalism is "People making money, especially people I hate."


Capitalism is either a utopia, or dystopia...usually both.
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Posted: Mar 15, 2016 - 12:41pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
 R_P wrote:
It depends on how broad or narrow (and I might add ideologically rigid) you choose to define capitalism.

At its narrowest it's commonly just about private ownership and profit, but it can easily accommodate other aspects, including myriad forms of corruption (both by government and business entities).

Yes, anybody gets to define anything. And the story of capitalism has mostly been told by its enemies.

As a political ideology it's pretty simple: in a capitalist society all transactions are voluntary, by which I mean uncoerced. No threats of violence.

As a boogieman capitalism is "People making money, especially people I hate."
 
There are usually greys between rigid polemical (and ideological) extremes.

Hate's gotta be the buzzword-du-jour/année.
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Posted: Mar 15, 2016 - 12:06pm

 R_P wrote:
It depends on how broad or narrow (and I might add ideologically rigid) you choose to define capitalism.

At its narrowest it's commonly just about private ownership and profit, but it can easily accommodate other aspects, including myriad forms of corruption (both by government and business entities).

Yes, anybody gets to define anything. And the story of capitalism has mostly been told by its enemies.

As a political ideology it's pretty simple: in a capitalist society all transactions are voluntary, by which I mean uncoerced. No threats of violence.

As a boogieman capitalism is "People making money, especially people I hate."
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Posted: Mar 15, 2016 - 11:32am

how a masculinity expert, the creator of dilbert, and howard stern saw trump’s destiny before anyone else had a clue https://t.co/yIU4tjMf5Y
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Posted: Mar 15, 2016 - 11:25am

 Lazy8 wrote:
 R_P wrote:
It was facetious. (I am aware of his exploits)

A crony capitalist is still a capitalist.

Only so far as it serves to demonize capitalism. Similarity in terminology is not similarity in ideology.

Government intervening to pick winners in markets is the opposite of capitalism.
 
It depends on how broad or narrow (and I might add ideologically rigid) you choose to define capitalism.

At its narrowest it's commonly just about private ownership and profit, but it can easily accommodate other aspects, including myriad forms of corruption (both by government and business entities).
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Posted: Mar 15, 2016 - 11:15am

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It was facetious. (I am aware of his exploits)

A crony capitalist is still a capitalist.

Only so far as it serves to demonize capitalism. Similarity in terminology is not similarity in ideology.

Government intervening to pick winners in markets is the opposite of capitalism.
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Posted: Mar 15, 2016 - 10:45am

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 R_P wrote:
Trump gets the property rights part...

No. No, he doesn't.

He has repeatedly used (and praised) eminent domain to seize and transfer property for private development. There is no clearer issue regarding respect for private property than that.

Trump is a crony capitalist, not a capitalist. His prominence in New York City's real estate market is due largely to political pull.
 
It was facetious. (I am aware of his exploits)

A crony capitalist is still a capitalist.
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Posted: Mar 15, 2016 - 10:36am

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Trump gets the property rights part...

No. No, he doesn't.

He has repeatedly used (and praised) eminent domain to seize and transfer property for private development. There is no clearer issue regarding respect for private property than that.

Trump is a crony capitalist, not a capitalist. His prominence in New York City's real estate market is due largely to political pull.

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Posted: Mar 15, 2016 - 10:24am

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libertarianism is a philosophy

simply put it is a couple of principles

a) non-aggression

b) property rights

if one strays from those then that isn't a libertarian position

this seems to be very difficult for a lot of folks to understand, especially for those invested in political thoughts/narratives

the good news is that practically every person on the planet at one time or another embraces some version of one or both of those principles

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Trump gets the property rights part...
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Posted: Mar 15, 2016 - 7:31am

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If they voted the true values of Christianity, they would more likely vote for a liberal candidate than a conservative one. Of course, what passes for Christianity nowadays is much less concerned with helping your fellow man and much more concerned with what people do with their private parts. 

 
Actually it doesn't pass with all of them...Most? Well I don't know. I haven't seen the scales.
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Posted: Mar 15, 2016 - 7:26am

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"How do we turn our country around? Very simple: If every Bible-believing Christian simply showed up in 2016 and votes our values, we don't just win, we win overwhelmingly. The mainstream media are astonished, are befuddled, are confused, and we turn the country around by getting back to those values, and nothing matters more than that awakening. It's both a spiritual awakening and a political awakening where Christians simply stand up and vote our values. That's how we preserve the fundamental liberties on which this country was built"
  
It's hard to find specifics on Ted + Dominionism that aren't on lefty sites, but it's hard to even read google results and not think, "oh, crap."

 
If they voted the true values of Christianity, they would more likely vote for a liberal candidate than a conservative one. Of course, what passes for Christianity nowadays is much less concerned with helping your fellow man and much more concerned with what people do with their private parts. 
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Posted: Mar 15, 2016 - 4:29am

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What about individual liberty, the right and freedom of individual expression?  Is this not a principle of libertarianism?
 
these could fall under those two i listed
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Posted: Mar 15, 2016 - 4:20am

 miamizsun wrote:

libertarianism is a philosophy

simply put it is a couple of principles

a) non-aggression

b) property rights

if one strays from those then that isn't a libertarian position

this seems to be very difficult for a lot of folks to understand, especially for those invested in political thoughts/narratives

the good news is that practically every person on the planet at one time or another embraces some version of one or both of those principles

regards
 
What about individual liberty, the right and freedom of individual expression?  Is this not a principle of libertarianism?


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Posted: Mar 15, 2016 - 4:17am

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Libertarians For Trump - "The perfect is the enemy of the good"

There are several issues upon which libertarians do not and cannot support Donald Trump. For example, protectionism. But, typically, regarding the issues where Mr. Trump deviates from libertarianism, so do the other candidates.

And, also, we readily admit that the presidential nominee of the Libertarian Party (unless they nominate someone like, ugh, Bob Barr) will very likely have views much closer to ours than those of Mr. Trump.

But, the perfect is the enemy of the good. It is our goal to throw our weight behind the candidate who has a reasonable chance of actually becoming President of the United States whose views are CLOSEST to libertarianism.

When put in this way, it is clear that The Donald is the most congruent with our perspective. This is true, mainly because of foreign policy. And, of the three, foreign policy, economic policy and person liberties, the former is the most important. As Murray Rothbard and Bob Higgs have demonstrated over and over again, US foreign policy determines what occurs in economics and in the field of personal liberties. Foreign policy is the dog that wags the other two tails.


 
libertarianism is a philosophy

simply put it is a couple of principles

a) non-aggression

b) property rights

if one strays from those then that isn't a libertarian position

this seems to be very difficult for a lot of folks to understand, especially for those invested in political thoughts/narratives

the good news is that practically every person on the planet at one time or another embraces some version of one or both of those principles

regards



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