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Posted: Jan 14, 2018 - 2:20pm

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We simply have to disagree on her effectiveness. You will find me no where defending Trump, so the point is moot for me.
 
To be clear, I voted for Stein, since I live in CA and wanted to throw in a token "Hey, what about the Green Party?"

I hated the idea that our history books might say Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Clinton.
Now, there's the constant, chronic nausea from seeing it say Trump.


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Posted: Jan 14, 2018 - 1:54pm

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Not to mention, one of the most craven political animals ever. The hatred of Ms. Clinton in flyover country overrode any other factors. I'm no fan of hers, but the raw hatred I have witnessed defies reason.

 
The problem I have with this analysis is that it only would explain why Trump won the general election. Why did he win the Republican nomination? He used the same tactics during the primaries, including claiming the process was rigged against him. And a significant chunk of voters bought into it, as he defeated 16 other candidates. 

We have a problem. And I am afraid it runs deeper than the hatred for the Clintons.


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Posted: Jan 14, 2018 - 1:41pm

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Eight year First Lady in the White House and Secretary of State and she felt entitled? She was entitled, more than anyone else.
The "we have to take her down" was a layer the media (FOX) laid on her, just like that label of "elites," so obviously designed to get people to stop thinking in terms of qualifications and more emotionally.

Really, Trump was elected just because of his attitude, with an utter lack of qualifications. He was certainly an "elite" and has a fantastic air of arrogance and entitlement. The difference was that FOX pushed for him to their viewers by painting Hillary's ego as the issue.

 
We simply have to disagree on her effectiveness. You will find me no where defending Trump, so the point is moot for me.
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Posted: Jan 14, 2018 - 1:37pm

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Character absolutely matters! Just because Trump made it to the presidency with all his character flaws/shortcomings doesn’t mean that people have all-of-a-sudden stopped caring about the character of a sitting president. I’ve said this before and I hope I’m not the only one who thinks it: ”I’m not going to lower the bar in terms of my expectations of the qualities that a president should hold just because someone moron currently occupies the office”. In the long history of the presidency his short tenure should not completely reset/rewrite what it means to be President.

 
I would agree completely. In fact, I am.
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Posted: Jan 14, 2018 - 1:36pm

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I don't disagree about HRC's attitude, but quite frankly, the bold type also describes Lord Dampnut. The disconnect between those who hate HRC for those qualities but love 45 for the same qualities shows a disconnect on a cellular level.

 
Hmm. There was no attempt at equivocating one to the other except from the perspective of  a new idealism chained to the altar. Hence, the invocation of brutal irony , chains being the symbolism for the same old stale arguments and pained expressions. Stupitidy and hatred are first cousins as I understand the terms.


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Posted: Jan 14, 2018 - 12:05pm

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Good point. The question is, does character matter any more? He is doing exactly what he has always done, yet he won the Presidency. The same people who demonized President Obama, married only to Michelle, hold the adulterous, thrice-married Trump in high esteem? The electorate apparently has abandoned morality, ethics or character as prerequisites for office.

 
Character absolutely matters! Just because Trump made it to the presidency with all his character flaws/shortcomings doesn’t mean that people have all-of-a-sudden stopped caring about the character of a sitting president. I’ve said this before and I hope I’m not the only one who thinks it: ”I’m not going to lower the bar in terms of my expectations of the qualities that a president should hold just because someone moron currently occupies the office”. In the long history of the presidency his short tenure should not completely reset/rewrite what it means to be President.
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Posted: Jan 14, 2018 - 11:50am

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Eight year First Lady in the White House and Secretary of State and she felt entitled? She was entitled, more than anyone else.
The "we have to take her down" was a layer the media (FOX) laid on her, just like that layer of "elites," so obviously designed to get people to stop thinking in terms of qualifications and more emotionally.

Really, Trump was elected just because of his attitude, with an utter lack of qualifications. He was certainly an "elite" and has a fantastic air of arrogance and entitlement. The difference was that FOX pushed for him to their viewers by painting Hillary's ego as the issue.

 
Indeed. The man was living in a gold-plated penthouse in Trump Tower in NYC and was selling himself as a man of the people. I think that says it all. Now, that's a disconnect.


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Posted: Jan 14, 2018 - 11:43am

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Frederick Christ "FredTrump  (Donald's dad)

Trump was born on East Tremont Avenue in the Bronx. He was one of three children of German emigrants Elizabeth (née Christ) and Frederick Trump, along with his brother John and sister Elizabeth Trump Walters. His father had immigrated to New York City in 1885 from the small German town of KallstadtRhineland-Palatinate, where he briefly returned around 1900, married, and re-emigrated.

Although both of Trump's parents were born in Germany, Trump told friends and acquaintances for decades after World War II that the family was of Swedish origin. According to his nephew John Walter, "He had a lot of Jewish tenants and it wasn't a good thing to be German in those days." In 1927, Trump was arrested at a Ku Klux Klan rally in Jamaica, Queens; he was later released without charges.


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Posted: Jan 14, 2018 - 11:28am

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As a mildly interested observer I will first qualify my opinion by saying that I don't have as much patience with haters as I hope to acquire by adaptation of forgiveness, but the lady perfected an arrogance and attitude of entitlement that spawned intense derision from more citizens than just flyover country. Hence Trump. As an ideological fundiment, a politically divisive profile wears like scratchy underwear, ironically hence Trump. It's a set up for a nation with the potential
 for everything to squander it on anything...JMHO

Hi there mister. Missed you 

 

I don't disagree about HRC's attitude, but quite frankly, the bold type also describes Lord Dampnut. The disconnect between those who hate HRC for those qualities but love 45 for the same qualities shows a disconnect on a cellular level.
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Posted: Jan 14, 2018 - 11:27am

 oldviolin wrote:
As a mildly interested observer I will first qualify my opinion by saying that I don't have as much patience with haters as I hope to acquire by adaptation of forgiveness, but the lady perfected an arrogance and attitude of entitlement that spawned intense derision from more citizens than just flyover country. Hence Trump. As an ideological fundiment, a politically divisive profile wears like scratchy underwear, ironically hence Trump. It's a set up for a nation with the potential
 for everything to squander it on anything...JMHO
 
Eight year First Lady in the White House and Secretary of State and she felt entitled? She was entitled, more than anyone else.
The "we have to take her down" was a layer the media (FOX) laid on her, just like that label of "elites," so obviously designed to get people to stop thinking in terms of qualifications and more emotionally.

Really, Trump was elected just because of his attitude, with an utter lack of qualifications. He was certainly an "elite" and has a fantastic air of arrogance and entitlement. The difference was that FOX pushed for him to their viewers by painting Hillary's ego as the issue.


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Posted: Jan 14, 2018 - 11:04am

 oldviolin wrote:

As a mildly interested observer I will first qualify my opinion by saying that I don't have as much patience with haters as I hope to acquire by adaptation of forgiveness, but the lady perfected an arrogance and attitude of entitlement that spawned intense derision from more citizens than just flyover country. Hence Trump. As an ideological fundiment, a politically divisive profile wears like scratchy underwear, ironically hence Trump. It's a set up for a nation with the potential
 for everything to squander it on anything...JMHO

Hi there mister. Missed you 

 
Amen.

Started working at home, and nothing beats RP for productivity. Of course I can't just listen...

Nice to be missed. And happy to be back.
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Posted: Jan 14, 2018 - 10:39am

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Not to mention, one of the most craven political animals ever. The hatred of Ms. Clinton in flyover country overrode any other factors. I'm no fan of hers, but the raw hatred I have witnessed defies reason.

 
As a mildly interested observer I will first qualify my opinion by saying that I don't have as much patience with haters as I hope to acquire by adaptation of forgiveness, but the lady perfected an arrogance and attitude of entitlement that spawned intense derision from more citizens than just flyover country. Hence Trump. As an ideological fundiment, a politically divisive profile wears like scratchy underwear, ironically hence Trump. It's a set up for a nation with the potential
 for everything to squander it on anything...JMHO

Hi there mister. Missed you 
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Posted: Jan 14, 2018 - 10:25am

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Right. That's a given and not a surprise.
So all this other stuff about hookers and fast food is just noise. You don't believe in him, and neither do I. Do I care about his hookers? Now it's just a distraction.
 
1) What's he doing to our country in the legislature or with foreign policy decisions?
2) Can he be fired? If not - Who runs against him in 2020? This is very important. It's easy to hate him. Now how do we replace him? (Remember he "won" against a two-term First Lady and former Secretary of State. It's easy to say he can't get a second term - but no one expected a first one.)
 
if your goal is to make a change of personnel, this is the path (line of thought to take)

emotional distractions are still distractions

i want to know what that person in power is actually doing (policy/rules/regs) and the consequences

if two consenting adults had an arrangement in the past that might be great for meaningless tabloid cover/news headline

the process to fire a politician can be long and difficult

focus on electing another person, preferably on merit



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Posted: Jan 14, 2018 - 10:12am

 Steely_D wrote:

Right. That's a given and not a surprise.
So all this other stuff about hookers and fast food is just noise. You don't believe in him, and neither do I. Do I care about his hookers? Now it's just a distraction.

 

1) What's he doing to our country in the legislature or with foreign policy decisions?
2) Can he be fired? If not - Who runs against him in 2020? This is very important. It's easy to hate him. Now how do we replace him? (Remember he "won" against a two-term First Lady and former Secretary of State. It's easy to say he can't get a second term - but no one expected a first one.)

 
Not to mention, one of the most craven political animals ever. The hatred of Ms. Clinton in flyover country overrode any other factors. I'm no fan of hers, but the raw hatred I have witnessed defies reason.
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Posted: Jan 14, 2018 - 10:08am

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Boring? How so? I want to know everything I can about the character of the man who holds the highest office in the country. Among all his other failures he’s also morally bankrupt from all I can see. Totally unfit to lead.
 
Good point. The question is, does character matter any more? He is doing exactly what he has always done, yet he won the Presidency. The same people who demonized President Obama, married only to Michelle, hold the adulterous, thrice-married Trump in high esteem? The electorate apparently has abandoned morality, ethics or character as prerequisites for office.
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Posted: Jan 14, 2018 - 9:55am

 Steely_D wrote:

A third porn star just came forward to add a new layer to Trump’s latest scandal


This is so boring, though. Just the accusation is supposed to make us gasp and recoil from him. But, ultimately, it's just noise and a distraction from the real issue: what's he doing to the nation vis a vis taxes, employment, international deals, etc.?

 
Boring? How so? I want to know everything I can about the character of the man who holds the highest office in the country. Among all his other failures he’s also morally bankrupt from all I can see. Racist, unintelligent, no moral compass, no empathy, inept and totally unfit to lead. I would be hard-pressed to identify one redeeming quality that he brings to the office.


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Posted: Jan 14, 2018 - 8:20am

 steeler wrote:
Trump supporters routinely say that Trump speaks in a plain, straightforward manner. That he tells it like it is, without artifice or political correctness. Why, then, do we see explanations of what he was trying to say, over and over and over, throughout his presidency?
 
emotional distortions?

trump clearly isn't a politician in the traditional sense when communicating

he's clearly as misguiding as his peers, he's just not as good with the delivery of bullsh*t

maybe we should say he lacks the diplomacy his political brethren project

diplomacy = the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they're looking forward to the trip

i have no doubt that he will continue the warfare, welfare and borrowing frenzy of his predecessors

he just needs a little practice/coaching for his sales pitch

if he wants to stay in this business he needs to master evoking fear in such a way that people feel scared and helpless and need his protection

more or less the secret sauce of democratic and republican parties (really all political leadership)


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Posted: Jan 14, 2018 - 7:55am

Trump supporters routinely say that Trump speaks in a plain, straightforward manner. That he tells it like it is, without artifice or political correctness. Why, then, do we see explanations of what he was trying to say, over and over and over, throughout his presidency?
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