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Posted: Jan 26, 2016 - 10:52am

Great post Kurtster! I've only been following Trump for a few months but what you say here echo's a lot of what I have seen in articles and footage.
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Posted: Jan 26, 2016 - 9:50am

 rotekz wrote:

This is great but has only been possible because of the parlous state of the media who freak out over the slightest PC infraction. He has played them and used it for endless free coverage. At the next election when he is POTUS things will be very different.

 
If he gets elected and doesn't get shot in his first term, he'll do two, with the 2020 election a snooze.  After that, who knows.

We're in a paradigm shift and Trump is no doubt the most in touch with the real world viable candidate we've had in my memory.  Real Estate is a whole different world in which few understand all the complexities involved.  Having listened extensively to Trump since he started out, his language, terminology and phrasing was just exactly what you would hear on any construction site, big or small.  Trump can, not could, have an intelligent meaningful conversation with a guy using a shovel just as easily as someone in a board room, in front of a city council trying to get zoning changed or whatever.  He is authentic.  You can't fake trade talk, the kind heard on a job site.  But I grew up in the business as a kid, so my perceptions will vary from those whose closest encounter to a hammer is a picture on Lowe's website.

The developer side of Trump is what makes his whole approach to everything different than from a legislator, banker, governor or industrialist.  A real estate developer must identify a need and provide a solution or have a vision and build it with bricks and mortar.  They must sell it as in pitch it, build it and deliver the goods.  Priorities and budgets must be set and kept.  Excuses don't work.  A developer has to walk their talk.  They must finish what they start.  These are all the things that politicians are not and can't do.  Nor bankers or industrialists.  They get a golden parachute if they eff up.  Politicians get hired by the oligarchs after they leave office.  

So iffen yer tyred of kicking the can down the road ... Trump is the only one capable of stopping the insanity.

Extra credit reading ...

Faster And Cheaper, Trump Finishes N.Y.C. Ice Rink


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Posted: Jan 26, 2016 - 8:53am

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How do you think evangelicals can justify voting for Trump?  It would just seem to me that they would be voting squarely against their principles to vote for a socially progressive, pro choice non religious candidate or am I missing something here?{#Stupid}
 
Trump is Presbyterian but he obviously doesn't go to church much. The evangelicals must like it when he says things like "Christianity is under tremendous siege". http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-primaries/266804-trump-christians-under-siege

As for abortion he was claiming to be pro-life yesterday, except in the most extreme circumstances. http://www.lifenews.com/2016/01/25/donald-trump-blasts-abortion-roe-v-wade-started-a-culture-of-death-killing-over-50-million-people/

 
EDIT Trump tweeted this tonight and he seems to think it's a big deal. I wouldn't know.


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Posted: Jan 26, 2016 - 8:26am

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Trump breaks 40% in CNN national poll of Republicans.
 

 
How do you think evangelicals can justify voting for Trump?  It would just seem to me that they would be voting squarely against their principles to vote for a socially progressive, pro choice non religious candidate or am I missing something here?{#Stupid}
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Posted: Jan 26, 2016 - 4:45am

Trump breaks 40% in CNN national poll of Republicans.
 
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Posted: Jan 26, 2016 - 2:18am

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And this is different than what we have already been doing in what way exactly?
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Posted: Jan 26, 2016 - 12:02am

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It should be inspiring to all those (which includes myself) who think that we need to take the money of running for higher office in this country.  The richest candidate has spent the least amount of money and is on top of nearly every poll.  Might be proof that he is the smartest candidate.

 
This is great but has only been possible because of the parlous state of the media who freak out over the slightest PC infraction. He has played them and used it for endless free coverage. At the next election when he is POTUS things will be very different.
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Posted: Jan 25, 2016 - 10:31pm

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So nice to return to these Radio Paradise forum pages and find this thread about Trump.  
There is hope for this country yet.
Our eight year experiment is almost over. 

 
Yep only 360 days left. 

Nice to see you !

Stick around.  Its calmed down some.

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Posted: Jan 25, 2016 - 10:07pm

 Alpine wrote:
So nice to return to these Radio Paradise forum pages and find this thread about Trump.  
There is hope for this country yet.
Our eight year experiment is almost over. 

 
Well it looks like you survived. Congratulations on navigating the recovery. 
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Posted: Jan 25, 2016 - 9:27pm

So nice to return to these Radio Paradise forum pages and find this thread about Trump.  
There is hope for this country yet.
Our eight year experiment is almost over. 
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Posted: Jan 25, 2016 - 9:20pm

Excellent post.   


kurtster wrote:

fixed your link.   Hard to argue with 538.  

I do have a couple of degrees and one is a 4 year business degree and I support Trump.  

 I am angry for a lot of reasons, but mostly about illegal immigration.  I believe that the core of Trump's support stems from this one issue, more than anything else.  Its the first box to check on my list for any candidate.  No different from those who look at abortion rights as their first box on their list.

In case its not been noticed, Trump is basically agnostic when it comes to religion.  While he was raised in Norman Vincent Peale's church, I think he got more out the positive thinking part than the religious part.  He's the only candidate on both sides who isn't talking much about social issues.  How refreshing.  No deceit there.  He's sticking to economic and security issues, which includes securing the border.  I've read his immigration paper and his tax plan.  They are both of substance.

He is not a part of the global banking and industrial oligarchy.  He owes them nothing and cannot be controlled by them.  He understands how they get out of paying their fair share by merger's that take corporate headquarters overseas to avoid taxes which is called inversion and wants to stop it for openers.  Currency manipulation is another.  I don't think any other candidate can talk knowledgeably about inversion or currency off of the top of their head.  He lives and breathes this stuff, knows it inside and out.  That is his wheel house.  He is also firmly opposed to the TPP, another important issue for me.

It is estimated that US corporations are sitting on at least $2 Trillion in cash overseas.  He has a real tax plan to bring it back home.  He is the only candidate talking about this as well.  Just think about what that would do for our economy.  That money would be pumped into our economy and create one hell of a business boom that would benefit all of us.  Remember that a rising tide lifts all boats.

I've looked at many of the nuts and bolts of his plans and rhetoric and do not see deceit.  What do you see about Trump that is deceitful / cunning ?

 


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Posted: Jan 25, 2016 - 8:55pm

The Know Nothing "movement" 2.0.1 seems rather apt.
 
Donald Trump said he'd kill terrorists' families at a rally. His crowd went wild.
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Posted: Jan 25, 2016 - 8:39pm

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Never thought I would root for Jeb Bush! 

Kurtster, don't mistake cunning for intelligence. Trump is pandering to the anger of the Republican working class:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-key-to-the-gop-race-the-diploma-divide/

He has their attention but if this race ever comes down to articulating any sort of intelligent plans or policies, The Donald is screwed.  As a Democrat, I alternate between amusement at the GOP klown kar primary season and fear that one of these dolts will actually become president and make Dubya look like a genius. 

 
fixed your link.   Hard to argue with 538.  

I do have a couple of degrees and one is a 4 year business degree and I support Trump.  

 I am angry for a lot of reasons, but mostly about illegal immigration.  I believe that the core of Trump's support stems from this one issue, more than anything else.  Its the first box to check on my list for any candidate.  No different from those who look at abortion rights as their first box on their list.

In case its not been noticed, Trump is basically agnostic when it comes to religion.  While he was raised in Norman Vincent Peale's church, I think he got more out the positive thinking part than the religious part.  He's the only candidate on both sides who isn't talking much about social issues.  How refreshing.  No deceit there.  He's sticking to economic and security issues, which includes securing the border.  I've read his immigration paper and his tax plan.  They are both of substance.

He is not a part of the global banking and industrial oligarchy.  He owes them nothing and cannot be controlled by them.  He understands how they get out of paying their fair share by merger's that take corporate headquarters overseas to avoid taxes which is called inversion and wants to stop it for openers.  Currency manipulation is another.  I don't think any other candidate can talk knowledgeably about inversion or currency off of the top of their head.  He lives and breathes this stuff, knows it inside and out.  That is his wheel house.  He is also firmly opposed to the TPP, another important issue for me.

It is estimated that US corporations are sitting on at least $2 Trillion in cash overseas.  He has a real tax plan to bring it back home.  He is the only candidate talking about this as well.  Just think about what that would do for our economy.  That money would be pumped into our economy and create one hell of a business boom that would benefit all of us.  Remember that a rising tide lifts all boats.

I've looked at many of the nuts and bolts of his plans and rhetoric and do not see deceit.  What do you see about Trump that is deceitful / cunning ?


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Posted: Jan 25, 2016 - 7:12pm

 kurtster wrote:
Regardless of how one thinks about Donald Trump, he has accomplished two great things.

He has knocked Jeb Bush out of the race.

And he has achieved running an effective campaign for POTUS for next to nothing.  

It should be inspiring to all those (which includes myself) who think that we need to take the money of running for higher office in this country.  The richest candidate has spent the least amount of money and is on top of nearly every poll.  Might be proof that he is the smartest candidate.

 
Never thought I would root for Jeb Bush! 

Kurtster, don't mistake cunning for intelligence. Trump is pandering to the anger of the Republican working class:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-key-to-the-gop-race-the-diploma-divide/

He has their attention but if this race ever comes down to articulating any sort of intelligent plans or policies, The Donald is screwed.  As a Democrat, I alternate between amusement at the GOP klown kar primary season and fear that one of these dolts will actually become president and make Dubya look like a genius. 
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Posted: Jan 25, 2016 - 5:45pm

Regardless of how one thinks about Donald Trump, he has accomplished two great things.

He has knocked Jeb Bush out of the race.

And he has achieved running an effective campaign for POTUS for next to nothing.  

It should be inspiring to all those (which includes myself) who think that we need to take the money of running for higher office in this country.  The richest candidate has spent the least amount of money and is on top of nearly every poll.  Might be proof that he is the smartest candidate.


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Posted: Jan 25, 2016 - 2:54pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

ha. The frightening thing is how true to the cliche he can be and still get away with it.

 
we need somebody to pin this on

who can we blame?

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Posted: Jan 25, 2016 - 1:52pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
ha. The frightening thing is how true to the cliche he can be and still get away with it. 

In my best Trump impersonation: "Critical thinking skillz are for losers."
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Posted: Jan 25, 2016 - 1:39pm

 RichardPrins wrote:
The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots. ~ H.L. Mencken, Notes on Democracy, 1926

 
ha. The frightening thing is how true to the cliche he can be and still get away with it.
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Posted: Jan 25, 2016 - 11:59am

The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots. ~ H.L. Mencken, Notes on Democracy, 1926
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Posted: Jan 25, 2016 - 5:37am

Andrea Tantaros writes for Fox News - "Attacking Trump will no longer work".
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/01/22/national-review-disses-donald-trump-why-magazines-plan-wont-work.html

Trump's appeal stretches far beyond disgruntled, outside the country club conservatives. His potential for crossover support, especially with blue collar and working class voters, is huge. Most establishment Republicans have never met a blue collar worker (unless they were fixing their Jacuzzi).

I can see Trump winning coal miners, unionized construction workers, auto workers, steel workers, Teamsters, etc.

Trump may even score a larger share of black votes with his immigration stand. His appeal to working class voters is a very under reported story, but it's evident because even President Barack Obama himself mentioned Trump by name during an interview with NPR in which he said that Trump is tapping into the "anger of the blue collar white male."

This showcases just how scared the left is when it comes to Trump's potential to tear into demographics that Democrats have largely considered theirs.

The bed wetters at the RNC are dreaming of a GOP that grows because it attracts Latinos, pro-abortion millennial women and other hopelessly Democratic voters. Trump's coalition of adding working class voters (who actually work) makes more sense. 

I have respect for National Review as an institution, but the cover and series of articles designed to hurt Trump only hurts the elitest, Beltway crowd they represent because it exposes why he is the seemingly solid and unstoppable frontrunner: it's because of them.

They have failed us, not Trump. Donald Trump is merely capitalizing on a moment in a pursuit to make America Great Again, in spite of the failures of the conservative movement.

Just like they were too dense to see Trump's rise, they don't understand why it occurred.

 

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