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Posted: Mar 8, 2018 - 7:35pm

 steeler wrote:

What the hell are you talking about? I thought I saw a post of yours earlier today claiming that you were not reacting emotionally to any of this?

 
I'm not.  Just calling it as I see it.  My bp is low and I'm sleepy. 

How can one get emotional over such predictable behaviour ?

Like I mentioned, I turned off the news and watched the DVR, then came in here to see if anyone here noticed this news.

Yawn, MSNBC is all about Stormy Daniels right now.  Meh ...  predictable ...

Sleep well.  I will.

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Posted: Mar 8, 2018 - 7:34pm

 kurtster wrote:

Ha !  I saw Chris Mathews immediately say this was bad because it would elevate Kim's stature in the world.  This after years of heaping praise on Kim while trashing Trump, et al, all in the same breath.  I haven't been to CNN yet.  Knocked off some NCIS episodes off the DVR.  Probably more of the same as MSNBC.  Predictable, so why bother. 

Once a Trump hater, always a Trump hater ...  I'm sure all the haters will be saying that Trump will piss off Kim and start WW III because Trump is deranged and clueless.  How can we let someone the Media, the Democrats and so many RPeeps have proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be deranged negotiate world peace.  Don't have to backscroll very far to find any of that ... 



 



Let's see what happens. I doubt that Kim agreed to meet with Trump merely because Trump made some threatening insults and tweets. The North Koreans have wanted 1:1 negotiations with the US for years IIRC. The West always balked at that, insisting on multilateral talks instead.

Apparently Kim mentioned being possibly willing to give up his country's nuclear weapons but I doubt that will ever happen. It'd be interesting to hear what role the PRC had in shaping  Kim's recent moves. NK depends on China for its economic survival. China may be pushing NK to negotiate.

I don't expect much from a face to face between Kim about and Trump. I wonder if Tillerson and McMaster want this meeting... 
steeler

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Posted: Mar 8, 2018 - 7:09pm

 kurtster wrote:

Ha !  I saw Chris Mathews immediately say this was bad because it would elevate Kim's stature in the world.  This after years of heaping praise on Kim while trashing Trump, et al, all in the same breath.  I haven't been to CNN yet.  Knocked off some NCIS episodes off the DVR.  Probably more of the same as MSNBC.  Predictable, so why bother. 

Once a Trump hater, always a Trump hater ...  I'm sure all the haters will be saying that Trump will piss off Kim and start WW III because Trump is deranged and clueless.  How can we let someone the Media, the Democrats and so many RPeeps have proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be deranged negotiate world peace.  Don't have to backscroll very far to find any of that ... 

 
What the hell are you talking about? I thought I saw a post of yours earlier today claiming that you were not reacting emotionally to any of this?
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Posted: Mar 8, 2018 - 7:06pm

It's too bad that no one really believes that Trump has the ability to think big picture.

Otherwise we'd contend that he knew all along that he would talk with Kim and so begin negotiating a public kerfluffle, each beating their chest, knowing that at some point they'd take pics with their arms around each other, best bros 4ever.

Then they could each talk about what they'd accomplished - and we'd be in bed with a North Korean dictator as our bud, and Putin as our bud.
While alienating Germany, England, France, etc.

Is that what MAGA is all about - alignment with our previous enemies instead? He can't work with our current allies but our enemies are only too happy to bring him into their influence. What could go wrong, except that we've switched sides and it'll be damned hard to realign later. This will affect our future for decades.

Is this what the (minority of the) American people voted for?


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Posted: Mar 8, 2018 - 6:58pm

 kurtster wrote:
Ha !  I saw Chris Mathews immediately say this was bad because it would elevate Kim's stature in the world.  This after years of heaping praise on Kim while trashing Trump, et al, all in the same breath.  I haven't been to CNN yet.  Knocked off some NCIS episodes off the DVR.  Probably more of the same as MSNBC.  Predictable, so why bother. 

Once a Trump hater, always a Trump hater ...  I'm sure all the haters will be saying that Trump will piss off Kim and start WW III because Trump is deranged and clueless.  How can we let someone the Media, the Democrats and so many RPeeps have proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be deranged negotiate world peace.  Don't have to backscroll very far to find any of that ...  
 
So what do you say?

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Posted: Mar 8, 2018 - 6:53pm

 steeler wrote:

Yes. Trump already has tweeted. It is being reported everywhere.

 
Ha !  I saw Chris Mathews immediately say this was bad because it would elevate Kim's stature in the world.  This after years of heaping praise on Kim while trashing Trump, et al, all in the same breath.  I haven't been to CNN yet.  Knocked off some NCIS episodes off the DVR.  Probably more of the same as MSNBC.  Predictable, so why bother. 

Once a Trump hater, always a Trump hater ...  I'm sure all the haters will be saying that Trump will piss off Kim and start WW III because Trump is deranged and clueless.  How can we let someone the Media, the Democrats and so many RPeeps have proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be deranged negotiate world peace.  Don't have to backscroll very far to find any of that ... 


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Posted: Mar 8, 2018 - 6:34pm

 steeler wrote:
Yes. Trump already has tweeted. It is being reported everywhere.
 
I found it. What I saw reported everywhere were the statements from South Korea, hence my question. Good.
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Posted: Mar 8, 2018 - 6:12pm

 Steely_D wrote:

Kind of an amazing announcement, like meeting with Castro, etc.
Hopefully there will be some impartial observers so we can know what happens without the spin.

 
Unprecedented. 
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Posted: Mar 8, 2018 - 6:11pm

 R_P wrote:

Has the WH confirmed it?

 
Yes. Trump already has tweeted. It is being reported everywhere.
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Posted: Mar 8, 2018 - 5:49pm

 steeler wrote:
Credit where credit is due:

Trump will meet with Kim Jong Un.

Huge breakthrough.

let's hope it all works.
 
Has the WH confirmed it?
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Posted: Mar 8, 2018 - 5:37pm

 steeler wrote:
Trump will meet with Kim Jong Un.
 
Kind of an amazing announcement, like meeting with Castro, etc.
Hopefully there will be some impartial observers so we can know what happens without the spin.


steeler

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Posted: Mar 8, 2018 - 5:06pm

Credit where credit is due:

Trump will meet with Kim Jong Un.

Huge breakthrough.

let's hope it all works. 
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Posted: Mar 8, 2018 - 4:08pm

 kcar wrote:
This is where you lose me, FWIW. How you get from a legalized path towards citizenship for illegal immigrants to "open borders" and a debilitation of "laws in general" down to a meaningless state is completely beyond me. If the leaps in your logic belonged to a high jumper, he'd have the world record for all time. 

But I certainly don't want to interrupt this group discussion. Please carry on, and I'll sit quietly in the back.
 
I believe the technical terms involved are hyperbole, non sequitur, and fear-mongering.
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Posted: Mar 8, 2018 - 3:56pm

 kurtster wrote:

But that is like talking about the egg without mentioning the chicken ...

and when I did mention Obama, it was just as a matter of fact, no spin was attached.  I even stated that I initially agreed with Obama's green card remedy.  That is one of the problems we have.  I'm now supposed to ignore that Obama was POTUS for eight years ?  Keeping legitimate things off limits in meaningful discussions.  It results in unmeaningful discussions because you can't speak honestly about things.

 
Honesty is bad, mkay?

And regarding your opening statement-there cannot be both a chicken and and an egg.You must choose one and mock/marginalize/castigate/demean/shriek at the other.Never mind that it sucks for the long term future of all poultrykind,even other ornithological entities.

   All the cool kids are doing it.
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Posted: Mar 8, 2018 - 3:49pm

 kurtster wrote:
...

So that is why DACA is the defining moment.  Either citizenship means something or it doesn't.  Open borders makes citizenship meaningless, laws in general meaningless, because its only the citizens who are supposed to be able to make the laws.  Open borders under our current system would just create more people in a permanent and dependent limbo further diluting the meaning and worth of citizenship and the Constitution ...

That's the lens I'm putting on and why.  Emotion has left the building, for now and that's why I'm not in here that much.  Y'all are worried about other things more than I am.

{#Meditate}

 

This is where you lose me, FWIW. How you get from a legalized path towards citizenship for illegal immigrants to "open borders" and a debilitation of "laws in general" down to a meaningless state is completely beyond me. If the leaps in your logic belonged to a high jumper, he'd have the world record for all time. 

But I certainly don't want to interrupt this group discussion. Please carry on, and I'll sit quietly in the back. 
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Posted: Mar 8, 2018 - 3:35pm

 Steely_D wrote:

But those are two different things:

  • DACA, what it is and does
  • The history of DACA

Like your relativity example, you could certainly talk about the theory and its implications etc without ever mentioning Einstein.
Until you talk about the history of the theory of relativity and then he is, indeed, mandatory.

So we could talk about DACA and Trump and the future and not hear about Obama or Hillary as distractions.

 
But that is like talking about the egg without mentioning the chicken ...

and when I did mention Obama, it was just as a matter of fact, no spin was attached.  I even stated that I initially agreed with Obama's green card remedy.  That is one of the problems we have.  I'm now supposed to ignore that Obama was POTUS for eight years ?  Keeping legitimate things off limits in meaningful discussions.  It results in unmeaningful discussions because you can't speak honestly about things.
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Posted: Mar 8, 2018 - 2:54pm

 kurtster wrote:

Tell me how I can speak of DACA without mentioning Obama
when he was the one who created it and laid out the terms we are comparing ?

Its not like he isn't relevant to this particular discussion.

It would be like talking about the theory of relativity without mentioning Einstein.

 
But those are two different things:

  • DACA, what it is and does
  • The history of DACA

Like your relativity example, you could certainly talk about the theory and its implications etc without ever mentioning Einstein.
Until you talk about the history of the theory of relativity and then he is, indeed, mandatory.

So we could talk about DACA and Trump and the future and not hear about Obama or Hillary as distractions.
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Posted: Mar 8, 2018 - 2:19pm

 Beanie wrote:

Kurt, so here's the thing.  

...

Now, your later post about Trump offering a DACA solution that actually has some merit was different.  I agree; that was arguably the first non-despicable thing I've seen him do in this presidency.  Notwithstanding that he seems still set on building this ridiculous wall that won't actually make the illegal immigration situation any better, I was still ready to give him credit for trying to be a decent human being with a viable solution on that one.  And yet, you STILL couldn't make the point without making a comparison to Obama. 
 
Tell me how I can speak of DACA without mentioning Obama
when he was the one who created it and laid out the terms we are comparing ?

Its not like he isn't relevant to this particular discussion.

It would be like talking about the theory of relativity without mentioning Einstein.
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Posted: Mar 8, 2018 - 1:51pm

 kurtster wrote:

Not on the citizenship part.  It was for sure more than I would have wanted.  I was like Obama on the permanent green card thing, but now that I have chewed on the citizenship part, I really see it as a worthy compromise / concession in order to reach a permanent solution, to the defined problem, the Dreamers.  I want it fixed, however it works out.  Just fix it and let's live with the fix and figure out how to adjust to it, whatever way it goes.  But it will be the defining moment of redefining the meaning and worth of what citizenship will actually be for the long term future. 

It all goes from here on, but this is the true beginning of what will follow next.  At least that's my take.

 
Shit, give them all green cards with a path to citizenship. And no one but the Dreamers, themselves, will notice any difference. Then everyone can move on, like you say.
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Posted: Mar 8, 2018 - 1:46pm

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