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Posted: Apr 17, 2018 - 9:37am

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You mean thanks Moon Jae-In
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Posted: Apr 17, 2018 - 9:30am

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Tried of using the DMZ as a ping-pong net for the military-industrial complex of other nation states? 
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Posted: Apr 16, 2018 - 9:49pm

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That was kind of fun...

Keep reading. Ken White is a really engaging writer about usually dry topics.

He throws an excellent podcast too.
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Posted: Apr 16, 2018 - 9:43pm

‘They have broken Trump’: Alex Jones and the Trump Internet’s fractured response to the Syria strikes

“I haven’t had Trump call me in six months,” Alex Jones said, his voice particularly hoarse. He was streaming live from the Infowars studio Friday night, because President Trump had just announced a strike on Syria. If Trump did decide to call Jones that night, he’d find that his longtime admirer was furious. “I will tell Trump that you really betrayed your family and your name, and everything you stood for with this horse manure.”

“They have broken Trump,” Jones said. Later, he promised again to deliver a message to the president: “If you ever call me again, I’m going to tell you I’m ashamed of you.” (...)

Jones had his producers put up the headlines about Syria from the Drudge Report. As Jones read them, his voice began to break.

“I just feel like I just had my best girlfriend break up with me,” Jones said. “The left will make jokes, but this ain’t funny, man.”

“He was doing good, and that’s what makes it so bad,” Jones added, after trying to compose himself. “If he’d been a piece of crap from the beginning it wouldn’t be so bad.” At this point, Jones appears to be openly crying.

“We made so many sacrifices, and now he’s crapping all over us. It makes me sick.”

In an impromptu Periscope stream shortly before going live on his YouTube channel Friday night, Jones became another headline: “I’m not in a f—— cult for Donald Trump.” (...)


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Posted: Apr 16, 2018 - 7:28pm

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That was kind of fun...
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Posted: Apr 16, 2018 - 7:23pm

Judge Kimba Wood is interesting in her own right.  Failed AG appointee by Bill Clinton '93.  She has had quite a career. Colorful personal life too.
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Posted: Apr 16, 2018 - 6:46pm

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Speaking of standards . . .

Hannity on FOX ranted about the search of Cohen's office — without disclosing his ties to Cohen.  Journalistic standards would require that he have done so.

 
THANK YOU!


IIRC, Hannity has stated that he doesn't consider himself a journalist. However, he should have stated during his comments on Trump and Cohen that he knew Cohen personally and conferred with Cohen on legal matters as an ethical matter of full disclosure. Hannity claimed Monday that he is not a client of Cohen's, but apparently the two are close enough that Hannity is willing to listen to Cohen's advice on real estate matters. 

If you're concerned about "double standards", folks, lay it at Judge Kimba Woods' feet. She ordered the disclosure of Hannity's name. 


From the NYT: 

In a legal filing before the hearing on Monday, Mr. Cohen said that, since 2017, he had worked as a lawyer for 10 clients, seven of whom he served by providing “strategic advice and business consulting.” The other three comprised President Trump, the Republican fund-raiser Elliott Broidy and a third person who went unnamed.

The mystery was solved when Kimba M. Wood, a judge for the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York, ordered that Mr. Cohen’s lawyer, Stephen Ryan, disclose the name of the client in question — who turned out to be Mr. Hannity.

Mr. Hannity denied on Monday that he was a client of Mr. Cohen’s, saying that he had never paid him for his services and that his discussions with him centered on real estate.

The surprise naming of Mr. Hannity took place after several minutes of back and forth among government representatives, members of Mr. Cohen’s legal team and Judge Wood.

Before the name was revealed, Mr. Ryan argued that the mystery client was a “prominent person” who wanted to keep his identity a secret because he would be “embarrassed” to be identified as having sought Mr. Cohen’s counsel.

Robert D. Balin, a lawyer for various media outlets, including The New York Times, CNN and others, interrupted the hearing to argue that embarrassment was not a sufficient cause to withhold a client’s name, and Judge Wood agreed.

After Mr. Hannity was named, there were audible gasps from the spectators.





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Posted: Apr 16, 2018 - 6:12pm

Speaking of standards . . .

Hannity on FOX ranted about the search of Cohen's office — without disclosing his ties to Cohen.  Journalistic standards would require that he have done so.
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Posted: Apr 16, 2018 - 5:56pm

Apparently Michael Cohen isn't that good a lawyer.
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Posted: Apr 16, 2018 - 5:46pm

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(...) SO: You're either utterly stupid, OR you believe the readers here are utterly stupid/gullible. My bet is on the latter.
 
False dilemmas typically ignore at least one or more other possibilities. As for the part in bold: You're still the best fit, Cinderella.
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Posted: Apr 16, 2018 - 5:06pm

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WTF
KMA...

I've had it with your insults.

I'll have something to say to you about this soon and you ain't gonna like it.
 
You sound... emotional.
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Posted: Apr 16, 2018 - 4:52pm

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Trump is human garbage. He confirms this on a daily basis. He is utterly unqualified to hold any public office, least of all that of the presidency. It baffles me how anyone cannot see these obvious truths.

 
I've had it with your insults.

I'll have something to say to you about this soon and you ain't gonna like it.
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Posted: Apr 16, 2018 - 4:50pm

WTF is going on ?  Did hell freeze over ? 

All of a sudden there is a mention of the possibility of a double standard coming from voices other than conservatives ?

What changed ?

Go back to sitting on yer flippin fences.

Too little too late.  If y'all had started acknowledging it years ago maybe things wouldn't have gotten as far out of hand as they are. 

All the ridicule dispensed at those who claimed a double standard over the course of many years makes this hard to swallow.

Bad things happen when so called good men / women do nothing.

KMA ...

 

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Posted: Apr 16, 2018 - 4:47pm

Trump is human garbage. He confirms this on a daily basis. He is utterly unqualified to hold any public office, least of all that of the presidency. It baffles me how anyone cannot see these obvious truths.
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Posted: Apr 16, 2018 - 4:47pm

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Well, who wouldn't be?

Yes it would be interesting.

Sure let's claim a double standard on the basis of a purely hypothetical situation rather than believing the judge is listening to the arguments from both sides and being, judicial.

Unless Mr. Hannity is a target of the investigation (which seems unlikely) he has a right to privacy. This looks like a gratuitous swipe at him not just by the judge but the prosecutor.


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Posted: Apr 16, 2018 - 4:16pm

Trump Moves to Gut the Post Office
His war on Amazon expands to include the right-wing’s campaign to abolish America’s oldest—and still successful—public service.
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Posted: Apr 16, 2018 - 3:50pm

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Well, who wouldn't be?

Yes it would be interesting.


Sure let's claim a double standard on the basis of a purely hypothetical situation rather than believing the judge is listening to the arguments from both sides and being, judicial.



 
It is a bit of a double standard, but I also bet the same people outraged by this double standard would be all concerned about the public's right to know had this been a scandal on the other party.  Outrage seems to be very selective.
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Posted: Apr 16, 2018 - 2:15pm

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relax, no need to get bent (let me try this again)

btw, some people (tldr folks) prefer a little info with links (and you're under no obligation to read, listen or follow anything)

there's two issues i'm pointing out

first, the current system and how it is designed and used (and abused systemically) as a tool in the real world

the abuse and misuse is probably not the original intent (i'm sure it was designed as a wide net to aggressively pursue perceived criminals)

second who it is used against

a person would need to understand the concept to grasp the first, then a case(s) to illustrate it

silverglate speaks out on the abuse of that system/tool (cases that he has worked and other cases he has observed)

state laws/rules/regs are usually much more specific/defined, much easier from a legal standpoint to understand and defend/work with

federal code is much more broad and vague, essentially leaving it open for more of an interpretive case and because they work across state lines or borders, they have much more "leeway"

states usually look for clear or specific violation, something well defined first, then apply that to the suspect (a more specific definition usually requires a certain standard of evidence) 

the fed's process he explains works a bit differently, not all violations are out in the open so they may have feelings, hunches or tips

as a result, they focus on a suspect/target and then work backwards (the bar for cause/evidence is somewhat easier)

one of the ways silverglate and others describe this is "ladder climbing"

if they want the mayor (a case he worked on) they look for ways to get to him, so they grab a guy on the bottom (a building inspector) and they squeeze him on small crime and they dangle fed violations and the max sentence over his head

so they ask for his boss and the incentive is to give up the guy above him (whether it is legit or not he sings/composes, doesn't matter) and now they have "evidence" or cause to work that guy, finally they get someone close to the mayor and wallah, mission accomplished

this is where entrapment (trying to create/manufacture a crime where there was none for leverage) or charging relatives or family members with ridiculous offenses and drag them in a federal investigation that could cost a lot of money and destroy lives, careers, etc.

you should get the picture, think the arthur anderson case (indicted, charged, but eventually and unanimously overturned after the company was destroyed, all of the jobs that were lost and careers snuffed) or even the clinton case (ken starr gets a long leash, alot of liberty and takes four years and tens of millions of dollars to sift through everything remotely possible to prove the president lied about having a consensual relationship with an intern) that's so ridiculous it's not even funny

"the feds could indict a ham sandwich", which makes a chuckle but there's a valid reason that judge said it 

silverglate's observations that if you come under scrutiny in this framework it's almost a certainty that they will find something

usually people/companies will settle because of the cost and risk of pursuing cases and the feds get a nice fine (for their coffers) and the signal is echoed again, play ball or else

if not for the extreme partisanship and polarization the trump case looks like it is shaping up to be a great example or observation of this "seeking justice" run amok

my observation is that people dislike this guy so much that they will tolerate or possibly encourage this process regardless

instead of recognizing the abuse of this process as an abomination, they actually celebrate it because of the result

the consequences could set a precedent that would be disastrous (essentially weaponizing the system for political ends) not to mention a large segment of the population will see this as motivation for some sort payback 

if the desired effect is to have better leadership by replacing the current occupant, i would suggest trying something legit like i suggested over in the syria thread

and focus on raising standards with a candidate for the next cycle as opposed to same stuff, different day

regards

 

Miamizsun,

Thank you for your post—it helps flesh out Silverglate's thinking, which may eventually have relevance to the Mueller investigation. I'm sorry I was angry towards you in my previous post; I can be pretty caustic at times and some of my words weren't kind or helpful. I try to be civil but don't always succeed, especially when I post later in the day. 

I've read that Mueller is indeed following the classic pattern that Silverglate lays out—start working on low-level people in an organization and convince them to cooperate with the investigation instead of facing serious charges and significant jail time. However, it's a gross exaggeration to suggest that entrapment or unreasonable criminal charges occur in every or even most federal investigations' use of "ladder climbing". I don't know if that's what you and/or Silverglate is suggesting, but I haven't read or heard of any excessive or unethical pressure tactics by the Mueller investigation. 

Even if Mueller and Co. use hardball tactics, they have to have sufficient evidence to indict. They are in the full glare of the public spotlight and any impropriety could cost them the support of the Justice Dept. and Congress. 

BTW—I had to do a quick refresher on the Enron/Arthur Andersen scandal, which you mentioned. It strikes me that the federal investigation did find massive instances of accounting fraud on work done for Enron, Worldcom and other companies. The Supreme Court overturned that conviction on the basis that the trial judge made serious errors when instructing the jury. The SC didn't pass judgment on the prosecution's methods or discovery that Andersen had been conducting serious accounting fraud. 


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Andersen#Enron_scandal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Andersen_LLP_v._United_States
 

From the second Wikipedia article: 

The jury was reportedly told "even if petitioner honestly and sincerely believed its conduct was lawful, the jury could convict". This is not true, held the Supreme Court. The statute they were being charged under used the language "knowingly ... corruptly persuade". Arthur Andersen managers did instruct their employees to delete Enron-related files, but those actions were within their document retention policy. If the document retention policy was constructed to keep certain information private, even from the government, Arthur Andersen was still not corruptly persuading their employees to keep said information private.

As far as I could tell, the overturning of the conviction hinged on whether or not Arthur Andersen employees knew that they doing something illegal. Frankly, I find Andersen's contention that it didn't know it was obstructing justice by shredding documents laughable. Andersen started shredding Enron documents only after it learned that the SEC was going to investigate for accounting fraud. 



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Posted: Apr 16, 2018 - 2:05pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
 kcar wrote:

Sean Hannity Is Named as Michael Cohen’s Client


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/16/business/media/sean-hannity-michael-cohen-client.html

A lawyer for Michael D. Cohen said in court on Monday that one of Mr. Cohen’s clients was Sean Hannity, the Fox News personality and an ardent defender of President Trump.

Lawyers for Mr. Cohen, the president’s longtime personal lawyer and fixer, had sought to keep the identity of some of Mr. Cohen’s clients a secret in a court challenge of an F.B.I. search of Mr. Cohen’s office.

But after several minutes of back and forth between the government and Mr. Cohen’s lawyers, the judge, Kimba Wood, ordered that Mr. Cohen’s lawyer, Stephen Ryan, disclose in open court the name of a client in question, who turned out to be Mr. Hannity.

Before Mr. Hannity’s name was revealed in the courtroom, Mr. Ryan had argued that the mysterious third client would be “embarrassed” to be identified as a client of Mr. Cohen’s.

Robert D. Balin, a lawyer for various media outlets, including The New York Times, CNN and others, interrupted the proceedings to argue that embarrassment was not a sufficient legal argument to keep a client’s name secret, and Judge Wood agreed.


Would be interested to see why that was relevant to the court's proceedings. If this were, say, Bill Clinton's lawyer instead of Trump's there would be a fair amount of outrage at involving his other clients.

 
Well, who wouldn't be?

Yes it would be interesting.

Sure let's claim a double standard on the basis of a purely hypothetical situation rather than believing the judge is listening to the arguments from both sides and being, judicial.


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