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Beats regime change at home?Giuliani: Trump is 'committed to' regime change in Iran
U.S. President Donald Trump is "committed" to regime change in Iran, Trump's lawyer and confidante Rudy Giuliani said on Saturday. The unusual statement comes just days before Trump will have to make a dramatic decision on the fate of the nuclear deal with the Islamic Republic.Giuliani, the former New York City mayor, said at an event hosted by an Iranian opposition group in Washington that regime change in Iran is "the only way to achieve peace in the Middle East." The president is "as committed to regime change as we are," Giuliani said in his address. Giuliani predicted that Trump will withdraw the United States from the 2015 deal with Iran. "With Secretary of State Mike Pompeo on his right side, and National Security Adviser John Bolton on his left side, what do you think is going to happen to that agreement?" Giuliani asked with a grin. Giuliani said that regime change in Tehran was "more important than an Israeli-Palestinian deal" and could contribute to reaching such a deal in the future. (...) "All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations."
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May 5, 2018 - 7:16pm |
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VV wrote:Yes, I live in the lap of luxury and rarely does the silver spoon leave my mouth. I guess you didn’t quite catch the point that I was making that the Mueller investigation doesn’t have a parrallel to what happens to the vast majority of people in real life though the Trumpsters will do their best to draw a line there because it serves their purpose to misdirect. ”Let’s not worry about what Trump’s up to and what they are finding... can you believe what Mueller is doing? that could be me or you!” OK, perhaps if I was a crime boss or drug kingpin... otherwise, not a chance. What civil liberties has Mueller violated? Just because Trump says his liberties have been violated doesn’t make it so. Don‘t try and draw a comparison between Mueller‘s actions and the actions of policemen in corrupt police forces who engage in racial profiling and ethnic harassment to try and whip up a feigned controversy in order justify your misdirected self-righteous indignation. These are two vastly different situations with neither having to do with the other. Mueller is doing his job while cops that oppress miniorities are breaking laws and should be swiftly and severely punished for their actions. ...now, back to my caviar.
Hey, don't hog all of the bloodlust! @sirdroseph: are you—heck, is anyone—seriously worried about Mike Pence?!?!? The guy is extra-strength Sominex. He's terrified of his own libido and of disobeying the Bible with his thoughts.
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May 5, 2018 - 7:14pm |
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miamizsun wrote: if you have a question about that philosophy i'll try and answer
if you're curious or just want my take
peace
I thank you very much for that offer. There are some aspects of libertarianism that I find appealing and I have general concerns about a possible lack of checks and balances on federal power, mostly dealing with the growth of federal programs. So perhaps you and I could have a discussion about libertarianism some time... However I have to ask, miamizsun: did you read all of that piece by Silverglate that you linked to? He ends up practically foaming at the mouth: More specifically, the raid demonstrates that the permanent law enforcement bureaucracy, which invariably pursues its own agenda that defies true change and reform, will stop at nothing to remove Trump from office and convict-and-imprison all those who on principle or out of loyalty refuse to cooperate (or, in the immortal words of Alan Dershowitz, refuse “not only to sing, but also to compose”). The bureaucracy functions on its own regardless of who happens to be temporarily in the position of FBI Director or Attorney General or even President. Administrations come, and they go, but the bureaucracy, and particularly the FBI, are there forever, and they target whom they wish. It is a power game, having little to do with politics or political party or ideology; rather, it is an assertion of who is in charge. Trump sealed his fate when he played musical chairs with cabinet members and bureau-heads, while ignoring the entrenched bureaucracy that poses an existential threat to his presidency, as well as to any presidency that the permanent bureaucracy finds it cannot control.
...Special Counsel Mueller, foolishly, even recklessly appointed to his powerful investigative and prosecutorial position with the single aim of disrupting if not eliminating the duly-elected Trump administration...I'm sorry. Silverglate and Dershowitz may have a point about federal criminal law needing reform, but when I read the above-quoted crap I'm reminded of Joe McCarthy's claims of Reds in the State Department trying to betray the government from within.
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Location: Dumbf*ckistan
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May 5, 2018 - 4:40pm |
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Coaxial
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May 5, 2018 - 1:54pm |
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BillG wrote: Then you check it and see, of course :-)
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oldviolin
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May 5, 2018 - 12:29pm |
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BillG wrote: Then you check it and see, of course :-)
All these head games are giving me double vision...on second thought it could be the tourniquet...
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ScottFromWyoming
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May 5, 2018 - 12:12pm |
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William
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May 5, 2018 - 11:42am |
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miamizsun wrote: but what if you're hotblooded?
Then you check it and see, of course :-)
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May 5, 2018 - 11:05am |
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sirdroseph wrote:All I have to say is that I congratulate you on your comfortable lifestyle because you would not be so flippant and dismissive of these civil liberty concerns if you have actually lived in an impoverished area, been impoverished yourself or had close friends and family that are minorities or impoverished. Maybe there is something to this White Privilege stuff. Or it could just possibly be that you are so blinded by partisan rage the only thing that will satiate your blood lust is Trump's head on a pike. Relax, I feel confident enough with our endless supply of laws they will find the one that matches with Trump the best to bring him down and as has been stated somewhere in this conversation anyone else the State wishes to at any given moment. You really should step back a bit and look at the long game though, Trump will soon be gone but the FBI and rest of the alphabet agencies will still be here stronger than ever. They are poking and poking for the weak spots in the fence (Constitution and Bill of Rights) to see what type of precedents they gain and before long there will be no fence to rein in their power. Edit: And don't think for a minute Pence is not patiently waiting in the wings eagerly awaiting the day he can seize the reins and stop pretending he likes Trump. The weight off his shoulders will be tremendous, you see he is actually much more dangerous than Trump, he is a true believer. Just an FYI... no partisan rage here... just plain old unadulterated rage at someone who so clearly is incapable of handling the job of being president. ...been a registered Republican for over 30+ years.
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May 5, 2018 - 8:29am |
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sirdroseph wrote:All I have to say is that I congratulate you on your comfortable lifestyle because you would not be so flippant and dismissive of these civil liberty concerns if you have actually lived in an impoverished area, been impoverished yourself or had close friends and family that are minorities or impoverished. Maybe there is something to this White Privilege stuff. Or it could just possibly be that you are so blinded by partisan rage the only thing that will satiate your blood lust is Trump's head on a pike. Relax, I feel confident enough with our endless supply of laws they will find the one that matches with Trump the best to bring him down and as has been stated somewhere in this conversation anyone else the State wishes to at any given moment. You really should step back a bit and look at the long game though, Trump will soon be gone but the FBI and rest of the alphabet agencies will still be here stronger than ever. They are poking and poking for the weak spots in the fence (Constitution and Bill of Rights) to see what type of precedents they gain and before long there will be no fence to rein in their power. Edit: And don't think for a minute Pence is not patiently waiting in the wings eagerly awaiting the day he can seize the reins and stop pretending he likes Trump. The weight off his shoulders will be tremendous, you see he is actually much more dangerous than Trump, he is a true believer. Laying it on a bit thick yourself, aren't you?
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SeriousLee
Location: Dans l'milieu d'deux milles livres
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May 5, 2018 - 7:28am |
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miamizsun wrote: but what if you're hotblooded?
That was yesterday.
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May 5, 2018 - 6:59am |
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Coaxial wrote: That's cold as ice.
but what if you're hotblooded?
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May 5, 2018 - 6:34am |
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sirdroseph wrote:All I have to say is that I congratulate you on your comfortable lifestyle because you would not be so flippant and dismissive of these civil liberty concerns if you have actually lived in an impoverished area, been impoverished yourself or had close friends and family that are minorities or impoverished. Maybe there is something to this White Privilege stuff. Or it could just possibly be that you are so blinded by partisan rage the only thing that will satiate your blood lust is Trump's head on a pike. Relax, I feel confident enough with our endless supply of laws they will find the one that matches with Trump the best to bring him down and as has been stated somewhere in this conversation anyone else the State wishes to at any given moment. You really should step back a bit and look at the long game though, Trump will soon be gone but the FBI and rest of the alphabet agencies will still be here stronger than ever. They are poking and poking for the weak spots in the fence (Constitution and Bill of Rights) to see what type of precedents they gain and before long there will be no fence to rein in their power. Edit: And don't think for a minute Pence is not patiently waiting in the wings eagerly awaiting the day he can seize the reins and stop pretending he likes Trump. The weight off his shoulders will be tremendous, you see he is actually much more dangerous than Trump, he is a true believer. Yes, I live in the lap of luxury and rarely does the silver spoon leave my mouth. I guess you didn’t quite catch the point that I was making that the Mueller investigation doesn’t have a parrallel to what happens to the vast majority of people in real life though the Trumpsters will do their best to draw a line there because it serves their purpose to misdirect. ”Let’s not worry about what Trump’s up to and what they are finding... can you believe what Mueller is doing? that could be me or you!” OK, perhaps if I was a crime boss or drug kingpin... otherwise, not a chance. What civil liberties has Mueller violated? Just because Trump says his liberties have been violated doesn’t make it so. Don‘t try and draw a comparison between Mueller‘s actions and the actions of policemen in corrupt police forces who engage in racial profiling and ethnic harassment to try and whip up a feigned controversy in order justify your misdirected self-righteous indignation. These are two vastly different situations with neither having to do with the other. Mueller is doing his job while cops that oppress miniorities are breaking laws and should be swiftly and severely punished for their actions. ...now, back to my caviar.
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miamizsun
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May 5, 2018 - 5:44am |
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kcar wrote:answer even the most basic questions about libertarianism. if you have a question about that philosophy i'll try and answer if you're curious or just want my take peace
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sirdroseph
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May 5, 2018 - 2:32am |
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VV wrote: You are casting your net wider than ever and are conflating the original premise which was that what Mueller is doing has parallels to what other normal unfortunate people are facing in the US on a frequent basis. Not true. Now you are throwing in targeted harassment, racial profiling and a grab bag of other enforcement abuses based on economic, race and ethnic discrimination. Is that what Mueller is engaged in with his investigation? Which ethic group is he targeting?
Seems like you you have jumped the tracks and are off on a new tangent altogether. Stop trying to equate what Muller is doing with the examples you cite above as it’s apples and oranges. BTW I am aware of racial and ethic bias and abuses that happen at the hands of law enforcement and those who do engage In it need to be punished.
All I have to say is that I congratulate you on your comfortable lifestyle because you would not be so flippant and dismissive of these civil liberty concerns if you have actually lived in an impoverished area, been impoverished yourself or had close friends and family that are minorities or impoverished. Maybe there is something to this White Privilege stuff. Or it could just possibly be that you are so blinded by partisan rage the only thing that will satiate your blood lust is Trump's head on a pike. Relax, I feel confident enough with our endless supply of laws they will find the one that matches with Trump the best to bring him down and as has been stated somewhere in this conversation anyone else the State wishes to at any given moment. You really should step back a bit and look at the long game though, Trump will soon be gone but the FBI and rest of the alphabet agencies will still be here stronger than ever. They are poking and poking for the weak spots in the fence (Constitution and Bill of Rights) to see what type of precedents they gain and before long there will be no fence to rein in their power. Edit: And don't think for a minute Pence is not patiently waiting in the wings eagerly awaiting the day he can seize the reins and stop pretending he likes Trump. The weight off his shoulders will be tremendous, you see he is actually much more dangerous than Trump, he is a true believer.
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May 4, 2018 - 10:09pm |
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Lazy8 wrote:kcar wrote:{Way too much for the post editor to handle} Two pieces of advice: 1. Read what you're responding to 2. Brevity is the soul of wit My preference is to quote in context to avoid distorting what I'm responding to but that won't be possible here. Too much of this wall of text is non-sequitur. I'm not implying that this is misdirection, just that it missed the point I was trying to make. To err on the side of generosity I'm going to assume my explanation wasn't clear enough and be more explicit. For those of you reading this who got my original meaning (both of you!) I apologize; I'll try and be brief. I understand that you have concerns about the power and reach of the federal government. It seems that you also believe that federal prosecutors are invariably unprincipled, over-aggressive and carelessly unrestrained in prosecutorial goals and tactics. Invariably? No. But having too much power is an invitation to abuse, and it happens far too often. Donald Trump has the power to order a drone strike anywhere on the planet and kill anyone he wants without trial or any form of due process. That's too much power. It was too much power for Barack Obama. It was too much power for George W. Bush. It would have been too much power for George Washington, even if he never exercised it. It's not just prosecutors that have this power but investigators as well. The FBI does not prosecute, it investigates. And it has too much power. You seem intent on refuting something I never claimed: that the investigation into Trump's... everything is outside the scope of the law. It's not. My objection isn't that all this is illegal, but that it's well within the law. Of course it is. Now I want you to try a thought experiment: what if the FBI offered Michael Cohen a bribe to give evidence against Donald Trump or someone in his circle? Oh no, that's not ethical! Throw the case out, right? Right? What's ten years in federal prison worth? What's a felony conviction worth? To someone who isn't a hardened criminal these are extinction-level events. Avoiding these penalties has some serious value. That's what it means to make a plea deal in exchange for evidence or testimony. Faced with a cold concrete cell and an overly-affectionate roommate what could you be induced to say about your boss or client? Anything they want you to say, or would you stand firm? Would you stick to the truth? Would you reveal things that are none of the government's—or anyone elses's—business? And this happens all the time, mostly to people no one cares about. See the problem here? Not so long as the target is someone you despise, maybe. But someday that target (or the means to get at him) could be you. Good luck. Spare me your lame advice. You are the LAST person on these boards to scold anyone about not reading or responding to others’ posts. “You seem intent on refuting something I never claimed: that the investigation into Trump's...everything is outside the scope of the law. It's not. My objection isn't that all this is illegal, but that it's well within the law.” I never implied that was your claim. You apparently believe that existing laws give the FBI too much power. You have repeatedly claimed that the FBI abuses its powers and implied that it acts without restraint or oversight. You have stated that the Mueller investigation is a prime example of such overreach. HERE is a strong sign of the limits of Mueller’s power: the story of federal judge TS Ellis voicing doubt about the motivations of federal prosecutors in pursuing a fraud case against Paul Manafort for actions that don’t seem related to Trump’s campaign and possible collusion with Russians. Manafort’s attorney Kevin Downey argued that the investigation into Manafort’s Ukrainian activities started years ago and that therefore special counsel Mueller should not be involved in that investigation. Ellis has the power to detach Mueller from that investigation if he agrees with Downey. Downey is trying to limit Mueller’s power over Manafort. Judge Ellis is listening to Downey and may grant his requests. Does that strike you as sign of Bob Mueller having unfettered power?
As VV has pointed out, you are conflating all sorts of cases together. I don’t think anyone on these boards with a shred of common sense is willing to wander into a conversation with you about the supposedly corrupt and impenetrable thicket of federal criminal law and federal agencies and how apparently Trump is doomed because the federal criminal law bureaucracy has a secret mission to take down Trump. Harvey Silverglate may believe that, but with all due respect to miamizsun, I think Harvey is a nutjob.
Steeler and I asked you to SPECIFY what about the Mueller investigation struck you as “heavy-handed” (that’s the term YOU used) or outside the law. You as usual failed to provide the details. Instead as VV stated, “You are casting your net wider than ever and are conflating the original premise which was that what Mueller is doing has parallels to what other normal unfortunate people are facing in the US on a frequent basis.” That is your MO. You fail to back up your claims with evidence and make ever-larger sweeping generalizations. Honestly, it was a pleasure to rebut your unfounded claims of politicized cronyism during Obama’s bailout of the Big Three. You clearly had no idea what you were talking about, but just kept doubling down on wilder and stupider claims.
You make these sweeping claims and then pretend that a response to you was too long for you to read (boo f%#&in' hoo) or that your responders missed some big point you made (“Am I writing in Slovenian?”). Don’t blame others for your failure to articulate and support your claims: that’s YOUR failure. Over and over again. This is like the “Ask the Libertarian” thread all over again where you couldn’t answer even the most basic questions about libertarianism.
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Red_Dragon
Location: Dumbf*ckistan
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May 4, 2018 - 8:37pm |
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Red_Dragon
Location: Dumbf*ckistan
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May 4, 2018 - 8:35pm |
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ScottN wrote:Mueller has some "power", no doubt. He can subpoena; indict. But he can neither convict nor sentence.
Can he sign an executive order mandating the deportation of thousands? Can he order troops into combat, or even a drone strike? Can he order trade tariffs or reject a treaty or agreement? Alter international alliances? Is he the leader of a political party with a dedicated cadre of supporters? And on... Trump has nothing to worry about if he is innocent. Why is he taking the actions of a (very) guilty person?
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ScottN
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May 4, 2018 - 8:33pm |
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Mueller has some "power", no doubt. He can subpoena; indict. But he can neither convict nor sentence.
Can he sign an executive order mandating the deportation of thousands? Can he order troops into combat, or even a drone strike? Can he order trade tariffs or reject a treaty or agreement? Alter international alliances? Is he the leader of a political party with a dedicated cadre of supporters? And on... Trump has nothing to worry about if he is innocent. Why is he taking the actions of a (very) guilty person?
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