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Red_Dragon wrote:ahem... I got distracted by the deep state!
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Lazy8 wrote: There's probably no one who knows as much about the law as Trump does...
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Trump’s problem isn’t that he has bad lawyers. It’s that he’s a bad client. How hubris causes legal trouble.The very qualities that lead people to wealth, power and fame can make them very poor consumers of legal advice; hubris is fatal to an effective attorney-client relationship. Trump prizes “loyalty” very highly, as many powerful people do. But real loyalty from an attorney doesn’t involve fawning over a client, refraining from criticism, or congratulating them for views both right and wrong. A good lawyer’s loyalty lies in being ready to give plain-spoken advice that will get you fired if your client’s in the wrong mood. An effective advocate’s loyalty isn’t about saying “Good idea” or “You’re right,” it’s about warning “Shut up” and “No, you shouldn’t do that” and “Yes, I understand you want to do that, but here’s why it’s a terrible idea.” Real loyalty looks like Cordelia, refusing to flatter King Lear at great cost, not like her sisters, praising him effusively to get more land.
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Red_Dragon
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Apr 20, 2018 - 3:38pm |
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R_P wrote: ahem...
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sirdroseph wrote: Proclivities wrote: It's not the notions of a "shadow government", "government intelligence conspirators", or "military industrial complex" which are new. The term "deep state" as it is now incessantly used by Sean Hannity and other right-wing pundits is something different and new - the idea that all of these government intelligence acronyms are all somehow controlled by Obama or Hillary, (or Democrats in general) is what is the new notion.
Hey, that's their problem. If they want to have their little sandbox and try to associate to the bigger issue of a legitimate deep state, those are 2 different things. Snowden is sitting in Russia now because he gave us a little peek, but really no one cares unless they can score points for their team. True enough. I wasn't referring to the idea or suspicion that "unseen forces" etc. control what goes on, it was just the use of the term "deep state" for referring to it. It's the etymology I was bumbling around with. Of course, many people all over have had such suspicions to varying degrees.
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Apr 20, 2018 - 11:49am |
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 Proclivities wrote: It's not the notions of a "shadow government", "government intelligence conspirators", or "military industrial complex" which are new. The term "deep state" as it is now incessantly used by Sean Hannity and other right-wing pundits is something different and new - the idea that all of these government intelligence acronyms are all somehow controlled by Obama or Hillary, (or Democrats in general) is what is the new notion.
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Hey, that's their problem. If they want to have their little sandbox and try to associate to the bigger issue of a legitimate deep state, those are 2 different things. Snowden is sitting in Russia now because he gave us a little peek, but really no one cares unless they can score points for their team.
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Proclivities wrote:It's not the notions of a "shadow government", "government intelligence conspiators", or "military industrial complex" which are new. The term "deep state" as it is now constantly used by Fox News and other right-wing pundits is something different and new - the idea that all of these government intelligence acronyms are all somehow controlled by Obama (or Hillary) is what is the new notion. Still not new. Same concept, new recruits.
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sirdroseph wrote: VV wrote: Well said. There was never mention of a "deep state" until Trump came along.
All of us libertarians are screaming at the screen now. lol Believe me there has been plenty of talk about a deep state regardless of the sitting President since the 50s at least. Kennedy challenged it and look where it got him. It's not the notions of a "shadow government", "government intelligence conspirators", or "military industrial complex" which are new. The term "deep state" as it is now incessantly used by Sean Hannity and other right-wing pundits is something different and new - the idea that all of these government intelligence acronyms are all somehow controlled by Obama or Hillary, (or Democrats in general) is what is the new notion.
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Apr 20, 2018 - 11:41am |
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VV wrote:Well said. There was never mention of a "deep state" until Trump came along. It predates Trump. I guess you could say it went "mainstream" in 2014 or 2013 (NYT), but it was already in use long before that.
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sirdroseph
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Apr 20, 2018 - 11:33am |
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 VV wrote: Well said. There was never mention of a "deep state" until Trump came along.
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All of us libertarians are screaming at the screen now. lol Believe me there has been plenty of talk about a deep state regardless of the sitting President since the 50s at least. Kennedy challenged it and look where it got him.
Here is an article from 2014 just to show you plenty of people have been aware of the deep state well before Trump became President and this is from the Bill Moyer website: https://billmoyers.com/2014/02/21/anatomy-of-the-deep-state/
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Apr 20, 2018 - 11:16am |
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steeler wrote: The Trump mantra: It is all rigged against him. He said it throughout the GOP primaries. Yet he won. Said it again throughout the general election. Yet he won.
When he wins, it is against all odds and all credit to him for beating the establishment (A relatively benign term that has given way to the scarier term Deep State). Our valiant warrior.
If he loses, it clearly is because he has been cheated. Our dogged martyr.
In all versions, the only trusted figure is Trump himself. Everyone else is suspect.
Well said. There was never mention of a "deep state" until Trump came along.
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Red_Dragon
Location: Dumbf*ckistan
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Apr 20, 2018 - 6:21am |
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Apr 20, 2018 - 5:11am |
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oldviolin wrote:Maybe it's just the normal part he's working out...If it's not normally accepted can it still be acceptable? You know, that kind of thing. Sort of a fuzzy line of reasoning math thing. A breaking the rules while wearing an original Manbird shirt thing.
you know what would be funny? take a hidden cam and a bunch of those shirts out on a saturday and have the model deliberately strike a frontal and capture the reaction(s) or better yet, troll the boardwalk ask/survey for opinions /sorry for the thread jack
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Apr 20, 2018 - 4:28am |
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VV wrote:...completely off topic but do you have something against normal punctuation and capitalization? Or is this the result of "texting" conditioning? no and probably that and a lot of the time i'm posting through mobile and using one hand
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Apr 19, 2018 - 8:29pm |
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steeler wrote: The Trump mantra: It is all rigged against him. He said it throughout the GOP primaries. Yet he won. Said it again throughout the general election. Yet he won.
When he wins, it is against all odds and all credit to him for beating the establishment (A relatively benign term that has given way to the scarier term Deep State). Our valiant warrior.
If he loses, it clearly is because he has been cheated. Our dogged martyr.
In all versions, the only trusted figure is Trump himself. Everyone else is suspect.
Strange how that mantra has a zombie-like echo around here...
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steeler
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Apr 19, 2018 - 7:31pm |
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kurtster wrote:RUSSIA RUSSIA Russia
doj/fbi DOJ / FBI DOJ / FBI
Oh and CRIMINAL referrals against McCabe, Comey, Lynch and Clinton ...
how does your mileage vary ? Eh ?
but don't worry, nothing will happen to McCabe, Comey, Lynch and Clinton ... the fix is still in.
and Trump will still be impeached ... the deep state (yeah, there's no such thing) will still win, because it always wins.
The Trump mantra: It is all rigged against him. He said it throughout the GOP primaries. Yet he won. Said it again throughout the general election. Yet he won. When he wins, it is against all odds and all credit to him for beating the establishment (A relatively benign term that has given way to the scarier term Deep State). Our valiant warrior. If he loses, it clearly is because he has been cheated. Our dogged martyr. In all versions, the only trusted figure is Trump himself. Everyone else is suspect.
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kurtster
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Apr 19, 2018 - 7:11pm |
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RUSSIA RUSSIA Russia
doj/fbi DOJ / FBI DOJ / FBI
Oh and CRIMINAL referrals against McCabe, Comey, Lynch and Clinton ...
how does your mileage vary ? Eh ?
but don't worry, nothing will happen to McCabe, Comey, Lynch and Clinton ... the fix is still in.
and Trump will still be impeached ... the deep state (yeah, there's no such thing) will still win, because it always wins.
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Red_Dragon
Location: Dumbf*ckistan
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Apr 19, 2018 - 5:10pm |
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R_P wrote: The terrifying part is that his support is up among ALL Americans. WTAF?
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