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kurtster wrote:Well it seems all you never Trumpers get it wrong again.
Y'all's hate blinds your perception. But y'all like it that way.
It seems that Kim is now begging for the talks to go on.
Who's the fool ?
And even if nothing happens we still got 3 of our guys back, alive.
I'd say Trump is doing a fine job so far.
...and your blind loyalty blinds your perception... no? Who is begging? I didn't see any reports on that. Trump found an excuse to walk away because he isn't equipped with the tools to successfully negotiate something that important. Fine job? I think you must be mistaking failure for success. I want to come work for you... your measure of success is quite low. I would be president of your business within a couple of days. I’m smart. Everybody says that I’m the smartest person they know.
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ScottFromWyoming
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May 25, 2018 - 5:48am |
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sirdroseph wrote: ScottFromWyoming wrote: Well, Kim did say "ha ha ha ha no" a week or two ago after Bolton jizzed over the idea of going to war if Kim didn't give up all nukes.
Yea the hiring of Bolton aka The Psychotic Walrus squelched any ideas of any substantial foreign policy change. I mean you would have trouble scrounging the ends of the earth to come up with a worse person to be in his position except for Guiliani at his. Unfreekinbelievable.
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May 25, 2018 - 5:12am |
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kurtster wrote:Well it seems all you never Trumpers get it wrong again.
Y'all's hate blinds your perception. But y'all like it that way.
It seems that Kim is now begging for the talks to go on.
Who's the fool ?
And even if nothing happens we still got 3 of our guys back, alive.
I'd say Trump is doing a fine job so far.
This post just had me in stitches. I haven’t had a good laugh in a while. It’s too bad you couldn’t have posted it on Monday instead of Friday when I really could have used it.
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Red_Dragon
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May 24, 2018 - 7:41pm |
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miamizsun wrote: yes, there's the principled view and then the current example
the former is more important than the latter
running behind this morning so i'll touch base and elaborate a bit later
regards
I am totally at sea here. What are you talking about in your above quote, exactly? I've read through the Sklansky piece you pointed me to. He has an interesting theoretical model about prosecutorial motivations and the factors contributing to prosecutorial misconduct, but there's little or no empirical evidence in his piece. A lot of times he sort of punts, effectively shrugging over the effects of the proliferation of criminal statutes on prosecutorial power and abuses ( "there is disagreement about whether the cumulative reach of these statutes has expanded... The net effect on the overall scope of criminal statutes is unclear..."). I wish he had outlined the arguments and individuals opposing his views on prosecutors. And he fails to recognize that a "tough on crime" tone from prosecutors is no longer a sure road to success in the courtroom or polls ( https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/30/us/aramis-ayala-prosecutors-death-penalty.html , https://theintercept.com/2016/10/20/hard-line-prosecutors-face-rejection-from-voters-in-elections-across-the-u-s/ ). I'm inclined to agree with Sklansky, though, because I have read news article that detail and quantify instances of prosecutorial misconduct, most notably in withholding exculpatory evidence. He's far more balanced than Silverglate, who keeps reaching for the tar brush to condemn almost all federal prosecution officials with a collective lust for power, disregard for the law and Constitution and unbridled vindictiveness against all politicians opposing them. Sklansky tends to see the causes for the increase in the power of prosecutors as a mix of personal ambition, excessive deferment to prosecutors since 9/11, and a surfeit of statutes with wildly varying mandatory prison terms that allow prosecutors to dial up pressure on potential witnesses...or create attractive plea bargain agreements. He does not see prosecutors as a band of vicious bogeymen like Silverglate does. But is Sklansky at all relevant to Mueller and the NY AG's office? You quoted the excerpt below when your first pointed me to Sklansky, and it's the excerpt that might be most relevant to our discussion of the prosecutors' methods and motivations when investigating Trump: One traditional limitation on prosecutorial power—as well as on prosecutorial discretion, a closely related concern to be discussed below—has been a sense among prosecutors that they should avoid prosecutions that are prompted not by the defendant’s violation of the statute being charged but by a desire to punish the defendant for other reasons (Richman & Stuntz 2005). Jackson thought “the most dangerous power of prosecutors” was the ability to pick defendants rather than cases: Instead of “discovering the commission of a crime and then looking for the man who has committed it...picking the man and then searching the law books, or putting investigators to work, to pin some offense on him.” Increasingly, though, something very like that strategy has become celebrated as intelligence-driven prosecution (Sklansky 2016).
That last bolded bit seems to sum up the heart of objections about investigations into Trump and Mueller's tactics: that this is all a political witch hunt, that Mueller is using a bewilderingly large and vague catalog of statutes to dig into the actions of Trump and Co. and find...something criminal in those actions. Because Mueller and the Democrats don't like Trump. Or think he's dangerous to the swampy status quo of federal politics. That is why I asked you to explain what you saw as unethical or excessive or illegal in the possible use of Evgeny Friedman as a witness against Michael Cohen, or of Cohen against Trump.
How is Mueller's investigation into Trump and his campaign an instance of prosecutorial misconduct or excess? Can you prove that Mueller and the NY AG's office are motivated by politics and not a desire to track and punish criminal behavior?
If you see Mueller's investigation as a witch hunt, please explain the instances where you think he's gone too far or has bent/broken the law.
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May 24, 2018 - 6:47pm |
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kurtster wrote: Nobody cares. I've brought up similar for a couple of weeks now.
Something that is totally egregious, worse than Watergate by miles and no one cares.
Just crickets, other than you so far.
Seems to me you are saying the government should not be allowed to investigate national security issues related to the Trump campaign. This is what they do to go about the job, and it should be no different if it is Trump or anyone else. I have no doubt that there are some in the FBI who see Trump an his international associates as a threat to American democracy. Afterall, there are reasonable people working in the agency. But that is no more relevant than someone who is anti-drugs investigating drug crimes. As long as they follow the rules of evidence, cops are allowed to act on their suspicions. I'm far more concerned at the amount of information on the investigation that is being inappropriately shared with Trump and his lawyers.
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May 24, 2018 - 6:07pm |
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kurtster wrote:Nobody cares. I've brought up similar for a couple of weeks now.
Something that is totally egregious, worse than Watergate by miles and no one cares.
Just crickets, other than you so far. You care because now it's your man/party.
Whatever else is true, the CIA operative and FBI informant used to gather information on the Trump campaign in the 2016 campaign has, for weeks, been falsely depicted as a sensitive intelligence asset rather than what he actually is: a long-time CIA operative with extensive links to the Bush family who was responsible for a dirty and likely illegal spying operation in the 1980 presidential election. For that reason, it’s easy to understand why many people in Washington were so desperate to conceal his identity, but that desperation had nothing to do with the lofty and noble concerns for national security they claimed were motivating them.
I suspect you didn't/wouldn't care then. Partisan schmartisan.
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Steely_D
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May 24, 2018 - 5:06pm |
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kurtster wrote:It seems that Kim is now begging for the talks to go on.
Can you show where he's "begging?" You see the strategy here by Kim: "I'm willing to talk with America, but Trump can't/won't. He is afraid of me, nation." President Stable Genius is handing him propaganda. Also, remember "big beautiful wall, and Mexico will pay for it"? He's met with Mexico, and the guy who makes the Best Deals hasn't even been able to get that one clear and unequivocal campaign promise to happen. So it's very easy to imagine his advisors saying "please don't go negotiate in NK. It'll turn out badly. Instead, cancel." Which is what he did. If he were really as strong as he's supposed to be, he'd be 1) all into "Let's GO, NK!" and 2) "Any news organization can interview me. I can express myself well enough to handle it, even if it's tough." But he's clearly not good at any of this. He told us all this from the beginning, that he's not part of this world. A hell of a reason to put him in charge, but there you go.
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May 24, 2018 - 4:59pm |
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Beaker wrote: Nobody cares. I've brought up similar for a couple of weeks now. Something that is totally egregious, worse than Watergate by miles and no one cares. Just crickets, other than you so far.
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kurtster
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May 24, 2018 - 4:52pm |
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Well it seems all you never Trumpers get it wrong again.
Y'all's hate blinds your perception. But y'all like it that way.
It seems that Kim is now begging for the talks to go on.
Who's the fool ?
And even if nothing happens we still got 3 of our guys back, alive.
I'd say Trump is doing a fine job so far.
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Red_Dragon
Location: Dumbf*ckistan
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May 24, 2018 - 4:09pm |
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May 24, 2018 - 12:36pm |
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sirdroseph
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May 24, 2018 - 10:36am |
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 islander wrote: As tricky as normal diplomacy is, this seems like another "change for the sake of change" idea that has a whole lot of potential downside.Â
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Yea but the sad part is there will be no discernable change in regards to foreign policy. Same as it ever was.
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May 24, 2018 - 10:12am |
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Trump Furious After Nobel Committee Gives Him Participation TrophyDonald J. Trump was reportedly furious after the Nobel committee informed him on Thursday that he would not receive a Nobel Peace Prize but would get a participation trophy instead.
In Oslo, a Nobel spokesman said that Trump would have the distinction of becoming the first world leader to receive such a trophy, also known as the Nobel Consolation Prize. (...)
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islander
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May 24, 2018 - 9:41am |
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Proclivities wrote: Beaker wrote:It's a strategically good move. He played the card before Kim Jong Un could. Who really knows if Kim ever really intended on having such a meeting? Obviously, no matter who is/was President it would always be a pretty thorny and unpredictable situation. I think part of the optimism about Trump being able to meet with Kim is that he seems equally unpredictable. As tricky as normal diplomacy is, this seems like another "change for the sake of change" idea that has a whole lot of potential downside.
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sirdroseph
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May 24, 2018 - 9:29am |
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 ScottFromWyoming wrote: Well, Kim did say "ha ha ha ha no" a week or two ago after Bolton jizzed over the idea of going to war if Kim didn't give up all nukes.
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Yea the hiring of Bolton aka The Psychotic Walrus squelched any ideas of any substantial foreign policy change. I mean you would have trouble scrounging the ends of the earth to come up with a worse person to be in his position except for Guiliani at his. Unfreekinbelievable.
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Proclivities
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May 24, 2018 - 9:18am |
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Beaker wrote:It's a strategically good move. He played the card before Kim Jong Un could. Who really knows if Kim ever really intended on having such a meeting? Obviously, no matter who is/was President it would always be a pretty thorny and unpredictable situation. I think part of the optimism about Trump being able to meet with Kim is that he seems equally unpredictable.
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