haresfur wrote: 
  Exactly, if we didn't have so many industrial entities doing their best to skirt regulations put into place in order to deal with unscrupulous people to begin with, imagine the amount of money that could be saved and diverted to better use and put where it's actually needed.  Most regulations imposed on industry have been put into place because of the demonstrated need for protections against mass pollution and reckless destruction of our environment, not just to hinder and control big business.

 kurtster wrote: 
The trouble is that subsidies are in the eye of the beholder. I argue that the US subsidizes industry in many ways like letting companies hide money offshore to avoid taxation, allowing farm workers to work for less than minimum wage, by having shit minimum wage, by not taxing businesses to pay for universal health care, by not requiring payments into retirement plans (All employers in Australia have to pay 10% of salary into each employee's SuperAnnuation fund). And let's not forget the subsidy of letting industry save money by screwing over the environment.

Didn't Trump claim that the European VATs were trade barriers? A VAT has to be the most egalitarian flat tax, even though it is incredibly regressive and puts most of the burden on the poor.

 kurtster wrote: 


The skinny: "Double-negative Don" will say any old sh!^. He changes his tune and contradicts himself from day to day. Just ask Vladimir Putin. If he tweeted once or twice about wanting completely free trade, it doesn't mean a damn thing. 

1. We all hope that the visit to the oncologist went well. Fingers crossed...

2.   "So you keep saying back up what I say, or in other words shut up and don't post if you cannot provide citations to prove you are not an uninformed Trump bot ..."

Yes, I keep saying things to the effect of "back up what you say."  No, I do NOT say in other words " or shut up" or that you're "an uninformed Trump bot."  I try to be polite and civil on these boards now, although at times I have been...withering (trying, anyway). 


2a. You're supporting a world-class liar and crazy man. I keep writing this, but again: if anyone of us had to deal with a person like Trump in our everyday lives, we wouldn't trust him an inch.  If you or anyone tells me Trump's going to do this or Trump said that or here's the straight story about Trump, it's only reasonable to ask for verification. 


3. Trump tweets (perhaps just once) that he wants an end to all tariffs, barriers and subsidies. Problem is, he's locked into a tit-for-tat escalation of tariffs that he cannot win. If his new tariffs are a negotiating tactic, he's screwing over American companies and workers and he's not having much effect on the Chinese.  

 R_P wrote:

 
Destruction typically bothers me a great deal.

It's sad that this doesn't.

 kurtster wrote: 
In the meantime, he is doing irreparable harm to our trade relations.  Like in retail, it's exponentially harder to regain a (trade) customer once lost, and you never get them all back.  

 kcar wrote:  

I don't make these things up. Its hard to back up things like that that I have learned from simply paying attention along the way.  So you keep saying back up what I say, or in other words shut up and don't post if you cannot provide citations to prove you are not an uninformed Trump bot ...  Sorry, that is not the case.  Again, I am not making up these things to be contrarian or just put out stuff to troll for responses. You keep implying that I am misinformed.  I will turn it around and say that you are uninformed.

So here is a back up to my statement made two weeks ago:

Yesterday:


later, off to my onc shop now ...

 kcar wrote: 
Well, that way he's got his pat excuse for every Democrat who wins a race during these mid-terms.

 Proclivities wrote: 
Oh Believe Me we are seeing plenty! and when the next bubble bursts and this great economy and the environment are in the final swirl down the toilet bowl there will always be Beer to cry in we can hope.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1021784726217142273







Most five year-olds lie better than this. Donald Vladimirsbitch Trumpski, you are a scared and pathetic child. 

The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. His heart sank as he thought of the enormous power arrayed against him, the ease with which any Party intellectual would overthrow him in debate, the subtle arguments which he would not be able to understand, much less answer. And yet he was in the right! They were wrong and he was right.

~1984

 Red_Dragon wrote:

 
when the truth turns out to be lies

and all the joy within you dies

 Proclivities wrote: 
Reality is what he says it is, of course.

"This country is doing better than it's ever has before, economically...It's all working out. Just remember: what you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening."

 arighter2 wrote: 
Here's an awesome sign I found!  Especially if you love Lebowski like I do.

 arighter2 wrote: 
organize a protest and show him how you feel!!!  I'm sure you're not the only one :)

Thanks, Donnie!

That's rich.

 meower wrote: 
Why don't you create one?

 kurtster wrote: 
Trump might disagree with you there, from what I hear.