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haresfur

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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 10:22pm

kurtster wrote:

What I find most disturbing is that of those currently participating in this discussion that I am the only one that has a problem with someone who is legally allowed to argue and defend the letter of the law and is not in compliance with the very laws they claim to defend and uphold. How can this be, at all ?

It is the job of an attorney to use and operate within the justice system legally. The person that this discussion centers on has not been properly processed and gone through the proper channels of the system he is charged with upholding, defending and using. That the system is not working fast enough for some is a separate issue. No excuse to invalidate the system which allowing this person to practice law in spite of his legal condition does.

And supporting this and claiming justice is preserved is some real serious hypocrisy.

And then to equate this with a whole different scenario simply for the purpose of brow beating someone is petty and demeaning. But that is how you all roll here.

For the smart asses who claim to know what civil disobedience is, consider use of cannibus 50 years ago and the laws were very, very different along with the other risks involved then. How many of you would use it now if those same laws were in force now ? Probably none of ya. I walked the talk all these years so you lightweights can now party with little if any risk to your life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

So fuck off, to whomever it may concern ...

Oh time to go back to the discussion that you said was too old to bring up. I thought we were done with that. So, yeah, I have a problem with someone being stuck in his situation and think the court made a sensible legal decision. Hypocrisy is saying you want to uphold the law but not the decisions of the court. I also think that you should have a system similar to Australia where someone who submits a valid immigration application is granted a bridging visa to give them legal status until their case is decided.

As to comparing to a different scenario, aside from you being the one who brought up your professional license, besides, this is the (checks notes: Marijuana: Baked News) forum. No, I don't think your personal marijuana use has anything to do with changing the laws, nor do I think that anyone who wants to follow the laws now, in the places where recreational marijuana use is legal (i.e. not Ohio) owes you anything for your sacrifice. Nor, do I think people have any reason to apologize for following the law.

kurtster

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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 9:51pm

R_P wrote:

So tell us, Unkle Kurt, how many arrests for illegal possession and/or use of illegal substances did this perilous "civil obedience" of yours result in?

I knew this one was coming. Civil disobedience does not require getting arrested to be real. Acknowledging and accepting the risk of arrest and real hard time for engagement in an activity is sufficient. It is accepting that the lies put forth by the government to justify an unjust and immoral law is grounds for defying it, be it either peacefully privately or peacefully publicly, the intent is the same. It is the intent that defines the act.

Life is much different when you have real skin in the game. Few if any of you are even old enough to have had skin in the game.

R_P

Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 9:23pm
A resistance fighter in the War on Drugs wrote: I walked the talk all these years so you lightweights can now party with little if any risk to your life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. So tell us, Unkle Kurt, how many arrests for illegal possession and/or use of illegal substances did this perilous "civil obedience" of yours result in?

kurtster

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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 9:10pm

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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 8:30pm
haresfur wrote: If someone smokes marijuana in the woods and no one notices, is it still a protest? People who engage in civil obedience tend to accept the consequences of their protest. The treetop flyer tries to avoid consequences. Fake civil disobedience.

haresfur

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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 8:20pm

kurtster wrote:

civÂ·il disÂ·oÂ·beÂ·diÂ·ence

/Ësivil ËËdisÉËbÄdÄÉns/

noun

the refusal to comply with certain laws or to pay taxes and fines, as a peaceful form of political protest.

If someone smokes marijuana in the woods and no one notices, is it still a protest?

And why won't you let your customers know about your protest so they can make their own decision on whether to give you their business?

kurtster

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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 7:52pm
civ·il dis·o·be·di·ence /Ësivil ËËdisÉËbÄdÄÉns/ noun the refusal to comply with certain laws or to pay taxes and fines, as a peaceful form of political protest.

haresfur

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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 6:35pm

kurtster wrote:

I am engaging in civil disobedience as a citizen of the United States. You are advocating for overthrowing our government by supporting an invasion of our country, which by your own admission you hate more than anything else, other than your own miserable life.

How do you get out of bed in the morning living in a place that you despise so much and makes your very being miserable ?

Privately ignoring the law for your own pleasure isn't civil disobedience. Putting up a sign at your work saying, "You should be aware that the person poking around your eyes believes that his marijuana use doesn't impact his job performance. If you disagree, you may want to take your business elsewhere." Don't they have a right to know?

Red_Dragon

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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 6:00pm
kurtster wrote: And your life is still miserable. So sez you; which means exactly nothing.

kurtster

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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 5:56pm
Red_Dragon wrote: You giant hypocrite. And your life is still miserable.

Red_Dragon

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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 5:09pm

kurtster wrote:

You giant hypocrite.

kurtster

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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 4:49pm

Red_Dragon wrote:

kurtster wrote:

As do you. Pretty simple. Just been doing it longer than you have been breathing.

You admit to violating the law you hold in great reverence. Pardon me if your protests about those trying to enter our country to make a better life for themselves ring, well, hollow. You giant hypocrite.

Red_Dragon

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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 4:37pm
kurtster wrote: As do you. Pretty simple. Just been doing it longer than you have been breathing. You admit to violating the law you hold in great reverence. Pardon me if your protests about those trying to enter our country to make a better life for themselves ring, well, hollow. You giant hypocrite.

kurtster

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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 4:28pm
islander wrote: kurtster wrote: Tell yourself whatever lies it takes to get through your day. But the reality is you engage in an activity that is illegal. As do you. Pretty simple. Just been doing it longer than you have been breathing.

R_P

Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 3:26pm
A regular model citizen...

Red_Dragon

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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 3:23pm
R_P wrote: Yeah. Drive the speed limit; you'll find out how many "law-abiding" citizens there are.

islander

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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 3:07pm
R_P wrote: kurtster wrote: You clearly do not understand what it means to hold a professional license and the restrictions, responsibilities and obligations that come with them in this country. I do as I hold a state issued professional medical license.

R_P

Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 3:02pm

islander wrote:

Tell yourself whatever lies it takes to get through your day. But the reality is you engage in an activity that is illegal. If caught, you would likely loose your professional license (what this conversation is about, not any judgement of marijuana or related policy). I brought this up because of how butt hurt you were about another individuals professional license status while awaiting his citizenship that was hung up in bureaucracy. Your attempts to distract from your hypocrisy are just par for the course.

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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 2:50pm

islander wrote:

oh, burn... of course, he'll prevaricate.

islander

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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 2:48pm

kurtster wrote:

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