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gfischer99

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Posted: May 14, 2020 - 4:04am

Bill ... look forward to the FLAC stream!

Couple things ... 
1. I noticed that recently the Sonos Service no longer has the Sync option. Is this by design? 
2. I use the Android app on my Sony Android TV. I saw that there is a Sync to Sonos capability. That's great as it allows me to use the app with the rolling pictures in 4K and have it sync'd to RP playing on other Sonos players (or so in theory) ...
- If there are 5 other Sonos players in the home, how does the app know which one to sync to? There is no choice and different players may be playing different streams
- I noticed after a while that the app on the TV is no longer in sync and, indeed, seems to be playing something completely different, or, in some cases stops streaming



 BillG wrote:


 Mikedemunck wrote:
Great that RP is available as a service on Sonos! Any chance the flac stream will be available any time in the future? That would be awesome 👌🏼
 
My understanding is that FLAC will be available after an upcoming Sonos firmware update. Everything is in place at our end. 

 


BillG

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Posted: Apr 30, 2020 - 4:03pm



 Mikedemunck wrote:
Great that RP is available as a service on Sonos! Any chance the flac stream will be available any time in the future? That would be awesome 👌🏼
 
My understanding is that FLAC will be available after an upcoming Sonos firmware update. Everything is in place at our end. 

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Posted: Apr 30, 2020 - 9:49am

That would indeed be the best of all worlds :-). I would be ready to donate a substantial share of the price of my hifi setup for this feature !! 

Thanks a lot Bill & Rebecca for all the work you’ve already done. 

 Mikedemunck wrote:
Great that RP is available as a service on Sonos! Any chance the flac stream will be available any time in the future? That would be awesome 👌🏼
 


kbs

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Posted: Apr 28, 2020 - 4:38am

I've now switched from Tunein to Sonos Radio RP Service. Seems to work a treat, but there is a plethora of choices that weren't particularly clear to me, so I've put my thoughts/experiences down here.

The Sonos Radio stations now contain and replace the Tunein RP options (Main, Mellow, Rock and Eleclectic/World mixes). I have seen somewhere that the Sonos Radio feeds are 128KBit.

The RP service provides 3 choices (128KB, 320KB and Sync). The first 2 each cover the 4 mixes above. The Sync divides into Sync 128KB and Sync 320KB  options, each of which similarly cover the 4 mixes. All of the service options seem to offer the skip forward function (PSD) and skip back (to the start of the track) option.

As a longtime RP Sonos user used to having the website open on 'Track' for the info (without PSD - good for my musical education!), I can't quite get my head around  how skip forward/PSD works so that things keep vaguely in sync with the website/feed. I'd appreciate it if someone could correct any misunderstandings I have made above and clarify how things keep in sync...
I've since discovered that after one PSD another gives you Bill's dulcet tones, so I guess that happens when skip takes you too far adrift of the mainstream.

A FLAC feed would be nirvana, but I reckon my aging ears would filter out any benefit.

(side thread on methods for feeding FLAC into Sonos) 
I can currently use the FLAC feed from my PC through a Sonos:5 play analog input to stream to other units around the house, but that makes it digital (stream to PC player)-analog (PC output-Play:5)-digital (Play:5 to any other Sonos kit)-analog before it hits the ears instead of the normal single DA conversion with streaming.  

A more convoluted method is by mirroring a pc to my TV and grouping the Soundbar with other units and using the digital feed from TV to Soundbar. My Sony Bravia TV browser app alas doesn't work for the RP website, which would have simplified matters!

Alternatively adding a Creative USB Soundblaster with optical digital output and feeding directly into the Soundbar or a Connect optical inputs works, but the missus tends to whinge about the birdsnest wiring effect this causes, as the Soundbar and Connect are installed away from a PC!

Thanks, and keep up the good work! 


Mikedemunck

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Posted: Apr 28, 2020 - 3:31am

Great that RP is available as a service on Sonos! Any chance the flac stream will be available any time in the future? That would be awesome 👌🏼
jarro

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Posted: Apr 24, 2020 - 2:05am

The "Sync"  feature will  play the channel in sync with the live stream.   Also other devices you listen on should show up in the sync list .

There are still some issues with syncing we're trying to sort out.  So for now  things don't  properly sync and start at the beginning of the song.

 MikeInNJ wrote:

I'm seeing three channels with streams "beneath" them now. They are RP 128kb, RP 320kb, and Sync. What is "Sync"?

 


MikeInNJ

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Location: Fort Collins, CO


Posted: Apr 23, 2020 - 2:34pm



 jarro wrote:
Was doing some maintenance on this earlier,  this should be working correctly now.   

 MikeInNJ wrote:



Listening to the RP Live Streams 320kb Main Mix channel this morning. I invoked it from the service itself, and not from the favorites list. It is cutting off the ends of songs a lot, and also it is repeating songs. When it is repeating, the song being displayed in the app doesn't always match what is actually playing.

I am listening to a group of five Sonos devices all on the most current software. 

Is there anything else you'd like to know?
 


 
I'm seeing three channels with streams "beneath" them now. They are RP 128kb, RP 320kb, and Sync. What is "Sync"?

jarro

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Posted: Apr 23, 2020 - 12:37pm

Was doing some maintenance on this earlier,  this should be working correctly now.   

 MikeInNJ wrote:



Listening to the RP Live Streams 320kb Main Mix channel this morning. I invoked it from the service itself, and not from the favorites list. It is cutting off the ends of songs a lot, and also it is repeating songs. When it is repeating, the song being displayed in the app doesn't always match what is actually playing.

I am listening to a group of five Sonos devices all on the most current software. 

Is there anything else you'd like to know?
 


MikeInNJ

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Location: Fort Collins, CO


Posted: Apr 23, 2020 - 10:09am



 MikeInNJ wrote:


 BillG wrote:


 MikeInNJ wrote:

I have the same question regarding "RP 320kb" vs "RP Live Streams 320kb".

ALSO

I'm frequently experiencing transitions to the next song 5-10 seconds before the current song ends. (Songs are getting cut off just before the end.)  Is there anything I should try?  

Thanks!
 

Is that on the 'favorites' mix? 
 

It's the Main Mix. I do have it set up as a Favorite, but I'm not sure whether it's the Main Mix that's under the "RP 320kb" channel or the "RP Live Streams 320kb" channel.
 

Listening to the RP Live Streams 320kb Main Mix channel this morning. I invoked it from the service itself, and not from the favorites list. It is cutting off the ends of songs a lot, and also it is repeating songs. When it is repeating, the song being displayed in the app doesn't always match what is actually playing.

I am listening to a group of five Sonos devices all on the most current software. 

Is there anything else you'd like to know?
MikeInNJ

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Location: Fort Collins, CO


Posted: Apr 22, 2020 - 2:21pm



 BillG wrote:


 MikeInNJ wrote:


 alfredvk wrote:
Hi Bill and all other posters, 
Loving being able to hear RP on my Sonos setup. 
However, I would like to know what is the difference between the "RP 320kb" and "RP Live Streams 320kb" in the Music Source menu in Sonos. 

Cheers, 
Alfred from Brisbane Aust. 
 

I have the same question regarding "RP 320kb" vs "RP Live Streams 320kb".

ALSO

I'm frequently experiencing transitions to the next song 5-10 seconds before the current song ends. (Songs are getting cut off just before the end.)  Is there anything I should try?  

Thanks!
 

Is that on the 'favorites' mix? 
 

It's the Main Mix. I do have it set up as a Favorite, but I'm not sure whether it's the Main Mix that's under the "RP 320kb" channel or the "RP Live Streams 320kb" channel.
n4ku

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Posted: Apr 22, 2020 - 6:32am



 miamizsun wrote:


 n4ku wrote:
Sonos debuted their streaming radio service, Sonos Radio yesterday. All of the Radio Paradise streams, inclusing the main stream are available there. I guess I can delete the TuneIn app off my system now. RP sounds great this way, BillG.  Thanks for making it happen.
 

wow

looks like the price is right too

makes a peep want to grab a couple of those speakers...
 

I love our Sonos system. I got it 2-3 years ago to replace a Bose system that dated back to 2003. We used the Sonos Connect then, to stream stuff. I finally bought a Sound Pad, Sub, and two Sonos Ones. We already had one Sonos One, which now resides in the kitchen. We stream SiriusXM, Spotify, Pandora, Amazon Prime Music, our iTunes libraries, and now RP more easily than before. The Sonos is also a great Surround system for watching TV and movies.
miamizsun

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Posted: Apr 22, 2020 - 6:19am



 n4ku wrote:
Sonos debuted their streaming radio service, Sonos Radio yesterday. All of the Radio Paradise streams, inclusing the main stream are available there. I guess I can delete the TuneIn app off my system now. RP sounds great this way, BillG.  Thanks for making it happen.
 

wow

looks like the price is right too

makes a peep want to grab a couple of those speakers...
BillG

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Location: Left Coast
Gender: Male


Posted: Apr 22, 2020 - 6:10am



 MikeInNJ wrote:


 alfredvk wrote:
Hi Bill and all other posters, 
Loving being able to hear RP on my Sonos setup. 
However, I would like to know what is the difference between the "RP 320kb" and "RP Live Streams 320kb" in the Music Source menu in Sonos. 

Cheers, 
Alfred from Brisbane Aust. 
 

I have the same question regarding "RP 320kb" vs "RP Live Streams 320kb".

ALSO

I'm frequently experiencing transitions to the next song 5-10 seconds before the current song ends. (Songs are getting cut off just before the end.)  Is there anything I should try?  

Thanks!
 

Is that on the 'favorites' mix? 
n4ku

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Posted: Apr 22, 2020 - 6:02am

Sonos debuted their streaming radio service, Sonos Radio yesterday. All of the Radio Paradise streams, including the main stream are available there. I guess I can delete the TuneIn app off my system now. RP sounds great this way, BillG.  Thanks for making it happen.
MikeInNJ

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Location: Fort Collins, CO


Posted: Apr 19, 2020 - 12:53pm



 alfredvk wrote:
Hi Bill and all other posters, 
Loving being able to hear RP on my Sonos setup. 
However, I would like to know what is the difference between the "RP 320kb" and "RP Live Streams 320kb" in the Music Source menu in Sonos. 

Cheers, 
Alfred from Brisbane Aust. 
 

I have the same question regarding "RP 320kb" vs "RP Live Streams 320kb".

ALSO

I'm frequently experiencing transitions to the next song 5-10 seconds before the current song ends. (Songs are getting cut off just before the end.)  Is there anything I should try?  

Thanks!
alfredvk

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Location: Brisbane, Australia
Gender: Male


Posted: Apr 19, 2020 - 2:17am

Hi Bill and all other posters, 
Loving being able to hear RP on my Sonos setup. 
However, I would like to know what is the difference between the "RP 320kb" and "RP Live Streams 320kb" in the Music Source menu in Sonos. 

Cheers, 
Alfred from Brisbane Aust. 
jarro

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Posted: Apr 16, 2020 - 5:12am

It's currently still in preview.  

There's some info on how to enable depending on the client you are using.
https://support.sonos.com/s/article/3540?language=en_US



 haresfur wrote:
  
I'm confused. I don't see RP on the Sonos list of services

 


haresfur

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Posted: Apr 15, 2020 - 10:43pm



 BillG wrote:


 Popes wrote:
Hi Bill,

We’ve been listening to RP on Sonos through Tunein for a while now, including the various streams options.  I thought I heard you mention today that the â€œskip forward” option will be available, but I don’t see that the button has been activated in my controller.  is there a trick to getting it activated?

Thanks so much for everything!

Jon 

 

Settings -> Services -> Add a Service  

Then find us on the list.

If you have a Sonos One, make sure to click the 'add' link underneath 'music & content'.


 
I'm confused. I don't see RP on the Sonos list of services

Popes

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Posted: Apr 15, 2020 - 8:43pm


Brilliant!  Worked.

You (and Rebecca) are the best.

Thanks!

 BillG wrote:


 Popes wrote:
Hi Bill,

We’ve been listening to RP on Sonos through Tunein for a while now, including the various streams options.  I thought I heard you mention today that the â€œskip forward” option will be available, but I don’t see that the button has been activated in my controller.  is there a trick to getting it activated?

Thanks so much for everything!

Jon 

 

Settings -> Services -> Add a Service  

Then find us on the list.

If you have a Sonos One, make sure to click the 'add' link underneath 'music & content'.


 


BillG

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Location: Left Coast
Gender: Male


Posted: Apr 13, 2020 - 7:17am



 bseib wrote:
I love that I can add Radio Paradise as a "Music Source" on Sonos now. I can now skip the (very few) songs when I want to. Nice work! I increased my monthly contribution. Thank you. 
{#Good-vibes}


I would like to add a comment about something I miss now — I feel disconnected from the live stream. I visit the RP website frequently (multiple times a day) based on what I'm hearing in the moment. But because I pause overnight, now my playlist falls behind the live list by several hours, then more hours behind after more pauses, etc. It is harder for me to connect with the information and comments on the song I'm hearing.

When I resume play in the morning, I would not mind if the next song (or within the next few songs, or next hour) if my playlist picked up where the current "live" playlist currently is. Then I would stay better connected with the RP info/community, plus I'd have a skip feature. I don't think a casual listener would notice that the playlist "jumped" ahead to the front of the queue.

I took a quick look at the Sonos API (I'm a software guy) — it seems this could be possible by receiving a new 'catalog' value when a user's data gets refreshed. I could be wrong — I didn't dig very deep, but I'm sure your software folk would know: https://developer.sonos.com/build/content-service-get-started/synchronize-your-service/

 

That's pretty much exactly how our system has been set up to operate since an update over the weekend. Once you've paused for more than 5 minutes, and if you're not ahead of the 'live' point (due to skipping), then playback will re-sync with what's playing live. It's working as expected for almost everyone, though I think there might be a Sonos-specific glitch. 
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