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Posted: Feb 7, 2019 - 9:11pm

 pigtail wrote:


I see you're bored again and drudging stuff up to stir the black kettle.  Why are you complaining about an ad to vote Nov 7th?  This is so last year.  Let's discuss what Trump lied about on  that STOU.  At least it was this week!
 
That Russian Collusion thing is so last year, too, eh ?  

There's a point to make.  It's about how the gov's race in Va. was vote for me, the dem because the repub is a racist.  That was the primary pitch.  Just about the only pitch.  Look who lives in a glass house now.  Then the AG calls for the Gov to resign over the black face / white hood stuff until he remembers his own little thing.  Ooops.  You can't make this stuff up.  Then there is the little thing about infanticide which every one is overlooking.  And the Lt Gov.  This may be low hanging fruit, but wtf, it's supposed to be ignored and say no big deal ?  These things are all a matter of record.  None of this stuff is made up or fabricated.  And now we're finding out that the WaPo sat on the Lt Gov's story and deliberately kept it out of circulation ...  Believe all women until it's about a democrat ...  Wisconsin anyone ?  Yeah, I know about Franken, but it took around 8 women to stand up before he gave up and left.

Y'all pick on the repubs, right ?  Y'all are the only ones allowed to do the stirring ?  Like I said with my opening post, it's equal time for the dems.  That is all it's about.   

Just a reminder that there is plenty to go around on both sides.  If you can dish it out, you better be able to take it, too.  Nothing more.

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Posted: Feb 7, 2019 - 12:02pm



 kurtster wrote:

So you're ok with the blackface stuff.  Is this some form of a whataboutism defense.

It was totally denounced once and for all in the 60's during the Civil Rights movement and has been bad form at the very least ever since.  These things, while decades ago, happened after a couple of decades since they had become taboo.  Time, it's a bitch sometimes ...

One of the books I read in elementary school in the 60's.  The old Arrow or TAB bookclub service is where I got it.  Black Like Me.   

It was a contemporary accounting of the way things were back then.  It really opened my eyes and has been a foundation of my understanding of racial issues ever since.  Might be a good read if you are unfamiliar with it.


 
I see you're bored again and drudging stuff up to stir the black kettle.  Why are you complaining about an ad to vote Nov 7th?  This is so last year.  Let's discuss what Trump lied about on  that STOU.  At least it was this week!

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Posted: Feb 7, 2019 - 10:30am

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She will do quite well in Congress, the narcissism is strong in this one. Holy crap! {#Eek}
 
Haters gonna hate. 
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Posted: Feb 7, 2019 - 2:24am

 R_P wrote:
 kurtster wrote:
pot, kettle, blackface ...
 
Then maybe they should do the same, i.e. just ignore it and carry on...


"In my professional opinion as an optometrist this woman clearly has issues..."

 
Looks like that is the plan just another example of the similarities between the 2 "sides".  And again I will reiterate for those that did not listen the first time.  I always believe women.  Can you imagine the extraordinary courage it takes to come forward especially when the accused is powerful?  We must give them the benefit of the doubt.  Vanessa Tyson is incredibly brave imo.  She is even more isolated than Blasey because the only support she will receive will be the completely disingenuous faux support of right wing partisans trying to score political points and half hearted support for PR purposes only from the me too movement only because they have to or lose credibility for their cause.  Other than family and friends she is completely alone.{#Eek} At least Blasey had a tremendous amount of public and women's movement support, Tyson will get very little of this and it is sad.{#Sad}
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Posted: Feb 7, 2019 - 2:19am



 kurtster wrote:

So you're ok with the blackface stuff.  Is this some form of a whataboutism defense.

It was totally denounced once and for all in the 60's during the Civil Rights movement and has been bad form at the very least ever since.  These things, while decades ago, happened after a couple of decades since they had become taboo.  Time, it's a bitch sometimes ...


  
 

 
What he said was you're all excited about this low-hanging fruit but can't be bothered to go after the rest of the tree. 
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Posted: Feb 7, 2019 - 2:15am

 R_P wrote:


 
She will do quite well in Congress, the narcissism is strong in this one. Holy crap! {#Eek}


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Posted: Feb 7, 2019 - 12:13am

 kurtster wrote:

So you're ok with the blackface stuff.  Is this some form of a whataboutism defense.

It was totally denounced once and for all in the 60's during the Civil Rights movement and has been bad form at the very least ever since.  These things, while decades ago, happened after a couple of decades since they had become taboo.  Time, it's a bitch sometimes ...

One of the books I read in elementary school in the 60's.  The old Arrow or TAB bookclub service is where I got it.  Black Like Me.   

It was a contemporary accounting of the way things were back then.  It really opened my eyes and has been a foundation of my understanding of racial issues ever since.  Might be a good read if you are unfamiliar with it.

 

"So you're ok with the blackface stuff."


No, but hey: great job on putting words in my mouth! Just like you complain others here do to you. And yes, I'm quite familiar with "Black Like Me."

Northam and Herring should resign. That may be harsh for something that they did 30+ years ago but after decades of casual racist tropes and hidden institutionalized discrimination, it's time to draw a hard line in the sand and kill this kind of behavior. 

Putting on blackface in an academic yearbook, however, is one thing. Codified and institutionalized legal, economic and political discrimination are vastly different not only in degree but also in kind. The GOP may enjoy what the VA Democratic party is going through but it has far, far more to answer for. 

This whole blackface scandal, however, raises the same sort of questions that #MeToo has brought up. Should society impose the same levels of judgment on different levels of bad behavior? For instance, should a company fire an employee who makes a sexually suggestive remark to second employee, just as it properly fires a third employee who sexually assaults a fourth? What sort of punishment should a person face for past bad behavior if he/she has apologized or made amends before that behavior became known to people with the power to punish the transgressor? 

In short, should there be degrees of punishment or sanction? Right now there doesn't seem much call for or practice of moderation in punishment and again that may be the right thing to do *now* in order to send a strong message to other past or potential bad actors. But there's if we fail to take into account the degree of bad behavior, attempts to make amends, and the age of the bad behavior when handing out punishment, a backlash may eventually rise up against a harsh, black-and-white approach. I have no firm opinion on this matter. We are in a time of rapid social and cultural change and I have no idea how long it will last. 

This is not just an idle issue, kurster. Imagine if other people came forward to offer eyewitness support to Christine Blasey Ford's claims about a teenaged Brett Kavanaugh. In that case, would that one incident have been sufficient to automatically disqualify a 50+ year-old Kavanaugh for SCOTUS? Even though he was drunk and the incident had occurred decades ago? Even though Kavanaugh had done a lot to support women clerking for him and to help advance their careers? (Kavanaugh actually did do these things for women btw).

Right now we're in a time of zero tolerance and again I wonder how long that attitude can last. 


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Posted: Feb 6, 2019 - 10:24pm


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Posted: Feb 6, 2019 - 10:04pm

 kcar wrote:

. Something to think about when you take a break from reading revelations of elected Democratic politicians wearing blackface decades ago. 

 
So you're ok with the blackface stuff.  Is this some form of a whataboutism defense.

It was totally denounced once and for all in the 60's during the Civil Rights movement and has been bad form at the very least ever since.  These things, while decades ago, happened after a couple of decades since they had become taboo.  Time, it's a bitch sometimes ...

One of the books I read in elementary school in the 60's.  The old Arrow or TAB bookclub service is where I got it.  Black Like Me.   

It was a contemporary accounting of the way things were back then.  It really opened my eyes and has been a foundation of my understanding of racial issues ever since.  Might be a good read if you are unfamiliar with it.


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Posted: Feb 6, 2019 - 9:07pm

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Was Boehner hiding ancestors of color in his family tree? Was he just trolling Obama by making sure his Permatan was a few shades darker than Barack's skin? (And consistently so, fellow RPs. That takes real work).
 
Still looks better than the Cheeto-in-chief.    Maybe :grumpy: should be changed to :trumpy:. It even has the whitish space around the eyes.

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Posted: Feb 6, 2019 - 8:36pm

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Was Boehner hiding ancestors of color in his family tree? Was he just trolling Obama by making sure his Permatan was a few shades darker than Barack's skin? (And consistently so, fellow RPs. That takes real work). 

Kurtster: it's awful, I know, to find out that some Democrats have done bigoted and hurtful things in the past. But the modern-day GOP has openly tried to keep people of color and other minorities down and out through actual policies. (And please: leave Abe Lincoln and the GOP of the 19th century out of this). Something to think about when you take a break from reading revelations of elected Democratic politicians wearing blackface decades ago. 
kurtster

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Posted: Feb 6, 2019 - 7:04pm

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Then maybe they should do the same, i.e. just ignore it and carry on...

 
Let's see how it plays out.  

:popcorn:
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Posted: Feb 6, 2019 - 6:36pm

 kurtster wrote:
pot, kettle, blackface ...
 
Then maybe they should do the same, i.e. just ignore it and carry on...


"In my professional opinion as an optometrist this woman clearly has issues..."
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Posted: Feb 6, 2019 - 6:31pm


kurtster

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Posted: Feb 6, 2019 - 6:21pm

 R_P wrote:
 kurtster wrote:
more equal time for Democrats.

Looks like things are getting even worse in Virginia, which was the capital of the Confederacy ...

The Gov who proudly does black face MJ moonwalking and supports infanticide, by his own admissions has company.  The Attorney General who called for the Gov's resignation now admits to doing a black face thing at a Halloween party and the Lt. Gov now has some serious sexual misconduct charges to deal with.  The #believeallwomen is being ignored and thrown aside for the black democratic Lt. Gov.

What is going on there ?   The top 3 elected state officials, all Democrats are in a heap of trouble. This is crazy.
 
 
pot, kettle, blackface ...

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Posted: Feb 6, 2019 - 5:45pm



 kurtster wrote:
more equal time for Democrats.

Looks like things are getting even worse in Virginia, which was the capital of the Confederacy ...

The Gov who proudly does black face MJ moonwalking and supports infanticide, by his own admissions has company.  The Attorney General who called for the Gov's resignation now admits to doing a black face thing at a Halloween party and the Lt. Gov now has some serious sexual misconduct charges to deal with.  The #believeallwomen is being ignored and thrown aside for the black democratic Lt. Gov.

What is going on there ?   The top 3 elected state officials, all Democrats are in a heap of trouble. This is crazy.


 

Guess which side of the aisle looks cynical when they use that hashtag?  
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Posted: Feb 6, 2019 - 5:35pm

 kurtster wrote:
more equal time for Democrats.

Looks like things are getting even worse in Virginia, which was the capital of the Confederacy ...

The Gov who proudly does black face MJ moonwalking and supports infanticide, by his own admissions has company.  The Attorney General who called for the Gov's resignation now admits to doing a black face thing at a Halloween party and the Lt. Gov now has some serious sexual misconduct charges to deal with.  The #believeallwomen is being ignored and thrown aside for the black democratic Lt. Gov.

What is going on there ?   The top 3 elected state officials, all Democrats are in a heap of trouble. This is crazy.
 

kurtster

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Posted: Feb 6, 2019 - 5:26pm

more equal time for Democrats.

Looks like things are getting even worse in Virginia, which was the capital of the Confederacy ...

The Gov who proudly does black face MJ moonwalking and supports infanticide, by his own admissions has company.  The Attorney General who called for the Gov's resignation now admits to doing a black face thing at a Halloween party and the Lt. Gov now has some serious sexual misconduct charges to deal with.  The #believeallwomen is being ignored and thrown aside for the black democratic Lt. Gov.

What is going on there ?   The top 3 elected state officials, all Democrats are in a heap of trouble. This is crazy.


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Posted: Feb 2, 2019 - 5:01am

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 kurtster wrote:

Words = Actions ?

 
I don't understand what you mean by that.

How about this: should you now similarly take Mitch McConnell to task? Let's be consistent.



 
Words vs Actions.  Talking about something and actually doing something are entirely different things.  At least to me.  Thought police ?  Trump is a pig ?  Is that breaking news to anyone ?  Was there a bait and switch from during the campaign to now ?  No.  Did you not ever read the Penthouse forum growing up ?  Do you want to compare Trump and Clinton ?  At least what Trump did was not while he was a powerful elected official.  And Clinton behaved the same way in Arkansas as gov and before that.  Clinton got a pass though from his party, because he was a good guy of the correct party.  The party has defended him with tooth and nail all the way up to Trump's election.

I've seen this picture before a few years ago.  I'm no fan of McConnell.  I wanted him gone with Boehner when he left and have posted this thought on the boards several times.  I was not happy when his wife was made Trans secretary.  I hoped it was one of those keep your friends close and your enemies closer kind of things.  I also posted about King from Iowa and how he should go, too.  I wanted him gone with his predecessor in the Senate, Harry Reid who was no innocent babe in the woods.

I'm not going to get into an argument with you over that flag as you are from the South and I am from the West.  We were raised with completely different perspectives on that.  To me it's just a flag.  I never equated it with anything other than the Confederacy and the region until recently.  I'm sure it means something entirely different to you, obviously.  You think that the SPLC is above reproach.  I think that they are as corrupt and dishonest as can be.  Offshore money and more ?

Also, it is now widely accepted that wearing a MAGA hat means the same as wearing a KKK white hood.  That anyone who wears one is a racist.  Do you agree with that ?


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Posted: Feb 1, 2019 - 9:58pm



 kurtster wrote:

Words = Actions ?

 
I don't understand what you mean by that.

How about this: should you now similarly take Mitch McConnell to task? Let's be consistent.




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