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Posted: Jul 13, 2019 - 6:50am

Another reason the dems are clueless
https://theintercept.com/2019/07/11/amy-mcgrath-mitch-mcconnell-democratic-party/
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Posted: Jul 12, 2019 - 11:55am

Wonder WHY Pelosi's not doing ANYTHING about the fat lying crook who is profiting off us all:
Andrew Sullivan: It’s Time for Pelosi to Stop Coddling Trump
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Posted: Jul 11, 2019 - 7:55am



 sirdroseph wrote:

Black people don't like him, in the American Democratic party that is what they call a wrap.
 
Buttigieg, Struggling With Black Voters, Releases Plan to Address Racial Inequities


Christine Pelosi, a Democratic National Committee member from California who is the daughter of Speaker Nancy Pelosi, said Mr. Buttigieg has “personally evolved on the issue of race” but has yet to prove to the party’s base that he has an instinctive feel for racial issues.



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Posted: Jul 10, 2019 - 3:46pm



 black321 wrote:


 westslope wrote:
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Krugman can get awfully partisan.    Fiscal irresponsibility is popular with both parties because, quite frankly, that is what the voters want.

 

Do they?  Or are they being misled/uninformed?
 
Here in Canada, annual balanced budgets are popular with the 'people'.  Macroeconomists have never argued in favour of annual balanced budgets.  Never.  Some have argued that deficits do not matter but that is another issue altogether.  

Mislead, uninformed?  You tell me.  When BCers vote against value-added sales taxes after a multi-partisan campaign by economic and political elites in favour of value-added consumption taxes (VAT), are those that voted against misled and uninformed or are they voting against complicated arithmetic or is there some other reason?    

Are western Canadians "exceptional" just like Americans are "exceptional" because they are misled/uniformed or is there some other reason?  

Starve the Beast
is raised as a possible motivator but how many voters actually vote that way?   More deficits and bigger debt means more low-risk, secure public bonds in circulation but once again how many voters actually vote that way? 

Thoughts?

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Posted: Jul 8, 2019 - 7:43am

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Posted: Jul 8, 2019 - 6:16am



 westslope wrote:


 black321 wrote:

Dangerous - rationalizing irrational behaviour.  Democrats are fiscally responsible because repubs arent? Crazy.  


 
Krugman can get awfully partisan.    Fiscal irresponsibility is popular with both parties because, quite frankly, that is what the voters want.

 

Do they?  Or are they being misled/uninformed?
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Posted: Jul 7, 2019 - 12:24pm

Kamala Harris Takes Her Post-Debate Momentum to Iowa | The New Yorker
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Posted: Jul 6, 2019 - 8:03pm



 black321 wrote:

Dangerous - rationalizing irrational behaviour.  Democrats are fiscally responsible because repubs arent? Crazy.  


 
Krugman can get awfully partisan.    Fiscal irresponsibility is popular with both parties because, quite frankly, that is what the voters want.

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Posted: Jul 6, 2019 - 5:40pm

 hayduke2 wrote: 
Dangerous - rationalizing irrational behaviour.  Democrats are fiscally responsible because repubs arent?? Crazy.  


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Posted: Jul 6, 2019 - 12:29pm

Opinion | The Moochers of Middle America - The New York Times
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Posted: Jul 6, 2019 - 12:26pm

Democrats should talk more about Trump’s failing, unpopular nationalism - The Washington Post
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Posted: Jul 6, 2019 - 4:01am

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The more I read and hear about Pete Buttigieg, Mayor of Indiana, the more I like him.   

Political and administration experience, military experience, young, Rhodes Scholar, tri-lingual.  He does not hesitate to denounce racism.   His campaign has raised more money than other front runners.

His website has a photo of him hand in hand with his male marriage partner.  

Racial justice, an end to never-ending foreign wars, climate change, favourable to single-payer health care but still open to private insurance, not afraid of the 'socialism' term.    I am liking it.  

Some more here:   MEET PETE
So yeah!  Why not this time?   

 
Black people don't like him, in the American Democratic party that is what they call a wrap.
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Posted: Jul 5, 2019 - 2:26pm

The more I read and hear about Pete Buttigieg, Mayor of Indiana, the more I like him.   

Political and administration experience, military experience, young, Rhodes Scholar, tri-lingual.  He does not hesitate to denounce racism.   His campaign has raised more money than other front runners.

His website has a photo of him hand in hand with his male marriage partner.  

Racial justice, an end to never-ending foreign wars, climate change, favourable to single-payer health care but still open to private insurance, not afraid of the 'socialism' term.    I am liking it.  

Some more here:   MEET PETE


So yeah!  Why not this time?   
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Posted: Jun 27, 2019 - 11:13am

Just my take (not in ranked order):

Warren: Smart, qualified, passionate about the right issues, fearless. A woman, which I believe we are ready for & need, she could be the one.

Sanders:  Had his moment, missed it. Seems too angry all the time, trigger-happy on dissing the other candidates. Likes to present himself as a non-politician, Independent, meanwhile plays hard-ball politics with the best of them (or worst). Won't commit to being a Democrat but runs in the Democratic race, can't have it both ways, not feeling the burn.

Biden: Also had his moment (twice).  Smart, decent Senator & VP. May be leading early, I predict he'll be dropping soon.

Booker: Smart guy, but not a standout. Can't figure out what he's really about.

Castro: I really like him & his ideas. Finding his voice. Likely to move up in the polls, but probably too early for him, maybe 4-8 years away.

Buttigieg: Interesting he's up near the top. Don't see him staying there, not enough experience. A military veteran. Watch him in the future.

Harris:  Came out on top early, couldn't sustain. Not likely to pick up steam. Not feeling she's being authentic enough.

Klbuchar: Have always like her, great ideas, good communication. Seem stuck in neutral, she needs to make a move soon or will be lost in the crowd.

O/Rourke:  As they say in Texas, all hat & no cattle. Comes off like a side-show barker. Seems to be looking for some bumper sticker that will stick. Nope.

Everyone else:  If I have to Google who you are....enjoy your 15 minutes.
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Posted: Jun 27, 2019 - 11:03am

Omitted third keyword: "nudes" 
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Posted: Jun 27, 2019 - 10:29am



 sirdroseph wrote:
This is interesting.  Looks like this first debate may have at least got people thinking:

 

 








 

I'm amazed that even in Oklahoma there were people unfamiliar with Warren.

Most of this may simply reflect unfamiliarity, rather than genuine political interest (funny that NJ mostly searched "Cory Booker". Does that mean they want to find out if he's the same guy they voted for for Senator of NJ?)
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Posted: Jun 27, 2019 - 8:03am

This is interesting.  Looks like this first debate may have at least got people thinking:

 

 




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Posted: Jun 25, 2019 - 2:36pm



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 islander wrote:


 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 islander wrote:


 black321 wrote:


 steeler wrote:


 black321 wrote:
Sanders free college plan?  Sure, as long as you fund it with a new tax on parents with kids under the age of 18.  Why the hell am I going to pay for your kid when my children and I saved to get them through debt free?  Not to mention the free checks going to universities to continue to ramp-up their pricing.  

The democrats seem to be seriously lost in the woods.  
 

How is that different than adults who have no children  paying taxes that fund public elementary and secondary schooling? Matter of degree? 
 
I understand the point, and yeah, my rant was just that.  If i had paid for their K-12 schooling, it would be the same argument, changing the rules mid-game...  But not everyone needs or should go to college.  Arguably not even all 13 years of public school.   The big question is, why does tuition continue to rise?  The answer is people continue to pay, so schools continue to invest to attract students.  Free tuition is an easy answer that doesn't properly address the question, and is not a "fair" answer.  The cost of tuition will likely only accelerate.  

 
Good point. A friend of mine noted: If you want to make education expensive, make it free for the students.

 

Whattyaknow, another problem that can't be solved with short sentences. :wink:

I suppose the colleges will have to be put on a budget, just like K–12, and some sort of admissions requirement so that kids with no business going to college don't go just for the free daycare. But now we're getting into the area where I say I don't think all kids should be allowed into public schools either.
 

Like maybe we should rethink our entire education system overall?  Modernize the system that originated in the 1800s following a revolutionary war and a shift to industrialism?  But budgets and admissions criteria are certainly not making the talking points, just "more free stuff".   
 
Sure. We're certainly looking for alternatives to the usual routine for at least 50% of our kids. I'm just not ready to abandon the idea that a society improves when it educates its citizens (or keeps them healthy). 

 
I'm with you. I just don't agree that a lot of the routine we call public education does much to educate (or keep healthy).  I think education can be a broad swath of things that can bring happiness, satisfaction, and enough pay to sustain a family. These can include arts and trades which are sorely neglected in our current system.

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Posted: Jun 25, 2019 - 2:34pm

Education thread hi-jack continued......

Economists who have examined free university (college) have generally concluded that most of the benefits of a university education accrue to the student.

Free college education strikes me as a very bad idea.

But more resources to pre-school, primary school and perhaps elementary school?  Absolutely.  There might be a role for government to encourage a German-style apprenticeship program and co-op programs for tech students.  

I would also be in favour of more programs targeted at folks of bottom-end socio-economic status that essentially teach them how to live.  Programs that embrace the notion that poverty is a know-how issue and not a money issue.  

If you want to insist that material resources are still important - fine.  Focus on universal single-payer socialized medical care and do it right this time. 
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