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ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Jan 9, 2019 - 9:52pm


Steely_D

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Posted: Jan 9, 2019 - 8:20pm



 FourFortyEight wrote:


Soooo, we let in more undocumented people who need all of these things also once they're here that the rest of us aren't getting?  I'm failing to see your point, actually. 
 
Nope, the two choices aren't wall or welcome mat. 


FourFortyEight

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Posted: Jan 9, 2019 - 8:15pm



 R_P wrote:
 islander wrote:
Do you ever fact check the tripe you swallow whole? Or are you just conditioned to spout random bullshit because it seems to be working for trump?
 
"A lot of people are telling me..."

 

I have to agree with this one.  The folks I love the most dear speculate and live by that shit.  The shit they speculate because they're too old and lazy to pick up a phone and even Google something before they talk about it.  Because Google tells the truth.  Trust me.


... no, I mean it.

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Posted: Jan 9, 2019 - 8:12pm

 islander wrote:
Do you ever fact check the tripe you swallow whole? Or are you just conditioned to spout random bullshit because it seems to be working for trump?
 
"A lot of people are telling me..."

FourFortyEight

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Posted: Jan 9, 2019 - 8:12pm



 Isabeau wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

while you ignore the 4.000 killed by illegals in the past two years alone ?
 

Oh Yes! I love a Game of 'Selective Morality!"  Lessee, how many  Americans die every year from lack of health care? How many veterans have been dismissed and ignored by the Republicans?  Ooo, and how many American women die from poor hospital care from childbirth? No concern for the middle eastern moms and babes blown to bits by our bombs?
Oh yes, according to the 'Selective Moral Majority' only white fetuses matter. Already born, of any color, not so much.

Stop the Squirrel pointing. Its paper thin and tiresome. Especially while you conveniently delete context and other facts.
Answering with yet another squirrel pointing does not count as an intelligent rebuttal.  Or are you only good at misdirection and Hannity Insanity pull-string talking points?
 
Soooo, we let in more undocumented people who need all of these things also once they're here that the rest of us aren't getting?  I'm failing to see your point, actually.  I'm a veteran with PTSD but I have a job and insurance.  I wouldn't dare step foot into a VA medical center for anything even though I'm entitled to it.  If I can pay my way for it, I leave it for those who really need it who aren't getting it.  

islander

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Posted: Jan 9, 2019 - 8:09pm



 kurtster wrote:

Nearly every case I have seen mentioned are not by people who overstayed visas.  They are people who have been deported multiple times and mostly came across the southern border. 

Maybe I should start posting obits of all these people in this thread.

Oh and you were talking about a real estate salesman earlier ?  IIRC you've been talking about moving out of California.  I would suggest that you expedite that plan.  With your new governor and his sanctuary stuff and all that you might want to put your house up for sale while there are still buyers.  1 million people net have left California in that past decade.  The people who could afford your house are leaving in droves.  Being from there, a lot of people I know who I grew up with have had it and are making their plans to boogie, pronto.
 

Seriously man. 7 seconds  and the second (first one didn't have an obvious pretty picture) link on google:  


Do you ever fact check the tripe you swallow whole? Or are you just conditioned to spout random bullshit because it seems to be working for trump?
FourFortyEight

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Posted: Jan 9, 2019 - 8:07pm



 Steely_D wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

I read all of the fact checking articles on his speech.  No one contested the 4,000 dead.  They are dead, their deaths were not manufactured by Trump.  They are dead and not coming back.  People who were here illegally killed them.  That makes their deaths preventable.  More preventable than all the other deaths mentioned by you and others in an attempt to make illegal immigration seem ok and harmless.

How many have to die before you see a problem going on ?  What is your number ?
 

The point of what I posted: it is not the illegal immigrants that are the wave of terror in the nation. They are, comparatively, less worrisome. If you're just wanting to have a group of people to demonize, the answer is in front of you, if you're sincere:

Las Vegas Shooter:
Not an immigrant

Sandy Hook Shooter:
Not an immigrant.

Parkland Shooter:
Not an immigrant.

Charleston Church Shooter:
Not an immigrant.

Aurora Movie Theater Shooter:
Not an immigrant.

Gabby Giffords Shooter:
Not an immigrant.

 
No, these are the ones that were sensationalized by the media.  You don't hear about the craptastic numbers of people that suffer under the tarp, because they aren't news-worthy.  Media is socially driven now and if it isn't appetizing to the liberal masses, it isn't news.  

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Posted: Jan 9, 2019 - 6:52pm

 kurtster wrote:
I see lint. Oh, wait ... it's you !! ...
 
His Master's Voice!
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Posted: Jan 9, 2019 - 6:51pm

 kurtster wrote:

Nearly every case I have seen mentioned are not by people who overstayed visas.  They are people who have been deported multiple times and mostly came across the southern border. 

Maybe I should start posting obits of all these people in this thread.

Oh and you were talking about a real estate salesman earlier ?  IIRC you've been talking about moving out of California.  I would suggest that you expedite that plan.  With your new governor and his sanctuary stuff and all that you might want to put your house up for sale while there are still buyers.  1 million people net have left California in that past decade.  The people who could afford your house are leaving in droves.  Being from there, a lot of people I know who I grew up with have had it and are making their plans to boogie, pronto.

 
And how many Americans are murdered by Americans?
kurtster

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Posted: Jan 9, 2019 - 6:42pm

 R_P wrote:
Navel-gazing. Nothing new there.

 
I see lint. Oh, wait ... it's you !! ...
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Posted: Jan 9, 2019 - 6:37pm

 kurtster wrote:
If you were an American, I might consider your thoughts on this but you're not.  Your voice is irrelevant here.
 
Navel-gazing. Nothing new there.
kurtster

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Posted: Jan 9, 2019 - 6:36pm

 Steely_D wrote:


 

ICE has a chart
that puts the number for all of 2017 (It's certainly too early for an official 2018 total) of 2028 homicides.

Of course, discerning and thoughtful people will immediately wonder what subset of that 2K were caused by people that entered illegally at the border and would've been stopped by a wall. The majority of our illegal aliens are VISA overstays, not murderous hordes from a caravan  that stormed the border.

 
Nearly every case I have seen mentioned are not by people who overstayed visas.  They are people who have been deported multiple times and mostly came across the southern border. 

Maybe I should start posting obits of all these people in this thread.

Oh and you were talking about a real estate salesman earlier ?  IIRC you've been talking about moving out of California.  I would suggest that you expedite that plan.  With your new governor and his sanctuary stuff and all that you might want to put your house up for sale while there are still buyers.  1 million people net have left California in that past decade.  The people who could afford your house are leaving in droves.  Being from there, a lot of people I know who I grew up with have had it and are making their plans to boogie, pronto.
kurtster

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Posted: Jan 9, 2019 - 6:33pm

 R_P wrote:

Real Americans don't get captured killed by illegal immigrants. Weak. Sad. Losers.

 
If you were an American, I might consider your thoughts on this but you're not.  Your voice is irrelevant here.
BlueHeronDruid

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Posted: Jan 9, 2019 - 6:32pm

 Steely_D wrote:


 BlueHeronDruid wrote:

I don't see that number challenged, but neither can I find any reasonable reference to it. You have a citation?
 

ICE has a chart
that puts the number for all of 2017 (It's certainly too early for an official 2018 total) of 2028 homicides.

Of course, discerning and thoughtful people will immediately wonder what subset of that 2K were caused by people that entered illegally at the border and would've been stopped by a wall. The majority of our illegal aliens are VISA overstays, not murderous hordes from a caravan  that stormed the border.



 
So we're just assuming all those homicides are of American citizens? Seems a bit of a stretch.
kurtster

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Posted: Jan 9, 2019 - 6:31pm

 Steely_D wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

I read all of the fact checking articles on his speech.  No one contested the 4,000 dead.  They are dead, their deaths were not manufactured by Trump.  They are dead and not coming back.  People who were here illegally killed them.  That makes their deaths preventable.  More preventable than all the other deaths mentioned by you and others in an attempt to make illegal immigration seem ok and harmless.

How many have to die before you see a problem going on ?  What is your number ?
 

The point of what I posted: it is not the illegal immigrants that are the wave of terror in the nation. They are, comparatively, less worrisome. If you're just wanting to have a group of people to demonize, the answer is in front of you, if you're sincere:

Las Vegas Shooter:
Not an immigrant

Sandy Hook Shooter:
Not an immigrant.

Parkland Shooter:
Not an immigrant.

Charleston Church Shooter:
Not an immigrant.

Aurora Movie Theater Shooter:
Not an immigrant.

Gabby Giffords Shooter:
Not an immigrant.


 
Your list is comprised of mentally ill people who acted out.  What is your point ?  Are you saying that the mentally ill are the real terrorists ?
Steely_D

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Posted: Jan 9, 2019 - 6:26pm



 BlueHeronDruid wrote:

I don't see that number challenged, but neither can I find any reasonable reference to it. You have a citation?
 

ICE has a chart
that puts the number for all of 2017 (It's certainly too early for an official 2018 total) of 2028 homicides.

Of course, discerning and thoughtful people will immediately wonder what subset of that 2K were caused by people that entered illegally at the border and would've been stopped by a wall. The majority of our illegal aliens are VISA overstays, not murderous hordes from a caravan  that stormed the border.


Red_Dragon

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Posted: Jan 9, 2019 - 6:23pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:


 
bump
BlueHeronDruid

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Posted: Jan 9, 2019 - 6:19pm

 kurtster wrote:

while you ignore the 4.000 killed by illegals in the past two years alone ?

 
I don't see that number challenged, but neither can I find any reasonable reference to it. You have a citation?
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Jan 9, 2019 - 6:06pm



 Steely_D wrote:


and in this more recent report (with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back explaining each one) 

 
Here's an oldie from 2016. Still relevant.


R_P

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Posted: Jan 9, 2019 - 5:58pm

 kurtster wrote:
I just love it when Americans put foreigners ahead of their fellow citizens in an effort of self serving virtue signaling.  These 4,000 aren't coming home to their loved ones anymore and you have no problem excusing their deaths as a fair exchange for your perception of social justice.
 
Real Americans don't get captured killed by illegal immigrants. Weak. Sad. Losers.
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