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Posted: Jan 18, 2019 - 7:10am

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The most heinous acts against mankind have been perpetrated in the name of religion.
 
last part being key...was it really the religion, or the greed for power of man? absent religion, these wars wouldnt have occurred? perhaps absent any difference at all in all of humanity, these wars would not have occurred.    pretty easy to dismiss it, but it's complex.  just like saying you believe or don't believe isn't, or shouldn't be, a simple yes/no answer.  


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Posted: Jan 18, 2019 - 6:12am

Steven Pinker endorses FFRF in new TV ad to air on Colbert

In a new TV ad campaign, Enlightenment Now author Steven Pinker urges viewers to join the Freedom From Religion Foundation in its fight to prevent religion from creeping into the U.S. government. Pinker has served as FFRF’s first honorary president since 2013.

The ad will make its television debut on select stations during CBS’ “The Late Show with Steven Colbert” the week of Jan. 21. FFRF will also be running the ads on digital media outlets.

“The world has become a better place as reason has been overcoming superstition and tribalism. But the values of the Enlightenment are under attack,” says Pinker in the ad. “Please join me in supporting the Freedom From Religion Foundation to ensure that our government is driven not by religion, but by reason.”




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Posted: Jan 18, 2019 - 6:10am

 Isabeau wrote:
The most heinous acts against mankind have been perpetrated in the name of religion.

The Slaughter of the Crusades, the burning of Protestants and Catholics (over ritual!) the 300 years of witch burnings and the horrors of both the Spanish and French Inquisitions ...are just a few of the reasons the founders decided against having a state religion.

"If you say anything against my God, I'll kill you" means someone has lost the point.

 
well religion/tribalism was one of the earlier forms of social organization

it carried a lot of ideas and information, some beneficial and some obviously not

it has been replaced by politics, and like religion there's both good and bad ideas advanced

fortunately better communication has helped more and more people get exposure to better ideas/technology

regards
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Posted: Jan 14, 2019 - 2:27pm

Evangelical Pastor Defends Trump's Border Plan: ‘Heaven Itself Is Gonna Have A Wall'

Maybe some of those Trumpists should migrate there instead...

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Posted: Jan 14, 2019 - 10:46am

Texas pastor who heads anti-LGBT hate group resigns after hiring prostitutes
Pastor Donnie Romero, of Fort Worth-based anti-LGBT hate group Stedfast Baptist Church, resigned from the church after admitting to “sins,” including hiring prostitutes, gambling and marijuana. Fellow anti-LGBT pastor Jonathan Shelley, with Pure Words Baptist Church in Houston, was quickly brought to Fort Worth and ordained Jan. 6 at Stedfast to replace him.

Romero came to widespread media attention in 2016 when he said that God should “finish the job” and kill the survivors of the mass shooting at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, a place that catered primarily to LGBT clientele. In a video Romero posted after the attack, in which 49 people were gunned down, he said, “These 50 sodomites were all perverts and pedophiles and they are the scum of the earth and the earth is a little better place now.” YouTube has since removed the video for violating its policy on hate speech. (...)

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Posted: Jan 13, 2019 - 9:41pm

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Posted: Jan 10, 2019 - 8:32am

 Isabeau wrote:
The most heinous acts against mankind have been perpetrated in the name of religion.

The Slaughter of the Crusades, the burning of Protestants and Catholics (over ritual!) the 300 years of witch burnings and the horrors of both the Spanish and French Inquisitions ...are just a few of the reasons the founders decided against having a state religion.

"If you say anything against my God, I'll kill you" means someone has lost the point.

 
Couldn't agree more, it is shame that lots of times people from all religions profess to support separation of church and state except when it comes to THEIR religion. {#Sad}
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Posted: Jan 10, 2019 - 7:27am

The most heinous acts against mankind have been perpetrated in the name of religion.

The Slaughter of the Crusades, the burning of Protestants and Catholics (over ritual!) the 300 years of witch burnings and the horrors of both the Spanish and French Inquisitions ...are just a few of the reasons the founders decided against having a state religion.

"If you say anything against my God, I'll kill you" means someone has lost the point.
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Posted: Jan 10, 2019 - 7:21am



 miamizsun wrote:


 R_P wrote:
 Red_Dragon wrote:
I used to subscribe to this nitwit perspective. Jeez.
 
Given the right conditions, people can change...
 

i'd just add that it helps if that change is for the better

swapping one bad belief system for another isn't really an upgrade

be it political or religious

if your philosophical operating system is corrupted with any mythology the result is usually initiating violence, coercion and force against peaceful people that may have a different view

if a person, a group or system will hurt innocent people, even in the name of the greater good, they've simply gone off the rails and lost any and all credibility

peace
 


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Posted: Jan 10, 2019 - 5:17am



 R_P wrote:
 Red_Dragon wrote:
I used to subscribe to this nitwit perspective. Jeez.
 
Given the right conditions, people can change...
 

i'd just add that it helps if that change is for the better

swapping one bad belief system for another isn't really an upgrade

be it political or religious

if your philosophical operating system is corrupted with any mythology the result is usually initiating violence, coercion and force against peaceful people that may have a different view

if a person, a group or system will hurt innocent people, even in the name of the greater good, they've simply gone off the rails and lost any and all credibility

peace
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Posted: Jan 9, 2019 - 7:21pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:
I used to subscribe to this nitwit perspective. Jeez.
 
Given the right conditions, people can change...
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Posted: Jan 9, 2019 - 4:27pm

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U.S. Constitution ‘Requires a Christian People,’ Says Dominionist, and Liberals Can’t be Christian
“Christians Must Be Conservative, And Conservatives Must Be Christian” is the headline of an article by P. Andrew Sandlin that was published in December on the Sovereign Nations website and promoted on the group’s Facebook page on Monday.

Sovereign Nations, “a media site dedicated to the preservation of national sovereignty,” describes its purpose as “a prolegomenon to the formation of a new, and not just sentimental, conservative and Constitutional Republic.” (Oxford defines prolegomenon as a “critical or discursive introduction to a book.”) It was seemingly created to challenge “the ideas and concepts” that guide the work of the Open Society Foundations, which were founded by George Soros, a favorite target of right-wing leaders.

Sovereign Nations’ founder Mark O’Halloran was a co-creator and original signer of a statement signed by more than 3,000 evangelical individuals and groups last year branding “social justice” as a threat to the gospel. Sovereign Nations has also played host to Jordan B. Peterson, a viral conservative pseudo-philosopher who achieved stardom by pairing conservative messages and conspiracy theories with generic self-help advice aimed at young men.

Sandlin, the article’s author, is founder and president of the Center for Cultural Leadership, which equips “Christian transformationists” to “transform culture.” Sandlin is a former executive vice president of the Chalcedon Foundation, which was founded by Christian Reconstructionist R.J. Rushdoony, whose thinking has influenced many contemporary Religious Right leaders. Sandlin promotes his ideas through writing and podcasts. The Gospel Coalition’s online “resource library” includes links to 11 Sandlin publications.

Sandlin is also, according to his website, faculty for the Blackstone Legal Fellowship of the Alliance Defending Freedom, the global Religious Right legal giant. The goal of the Blackstone program, ADF once declared publicly, is to “recover the robust Christendomic theolo­gy of the 3rd, 4th, and 5th centuries.” (...)


 
I used to subscribe to this nitwit perspective. Jeez.
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Posted: Jan 9, 2019 - 2:50pm

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"It’s strange that some Christians want to be libertarians when the very guiding principle for libertarians is what we know to be sin."


that hurts sort of...

Only if you care what he thinks.
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Posted: Jan 9, 2019 - 2:20pm

 R_P wrote:
U.S. Constitution ‘Requires a Christian People,’ Says Dominionist, and Liberals Can’t be Christian
“Christians Must Be Conservative, And Conservatives Must Be Christian” is the headline of an article by P. Andrew Sandlin that was published in December on the Sovereign Nations website and promoted on the group’s Facebook page on Monday.

Sovereign Nations, “a media site dedicated to the preservation of national sovereignty,” describes its purpose as “a prolegomenon to the formation of a new, and not just sentimental, conservative and Constitutional Republic.” (Oxford defines prolegomenon as a “critical or discursive introduction to a book.”) It was seemingly created to challenge “the ideas and concepts” that guide the work of the Open Society Foundations, which were founded by George Soros, a favorite target of right-wing leaders.

Sovereign Nations’ founder Mark O’Halloran was a co-creator and original signer of a statement signed by more than 3,000 evangelical individuals and groups last year branding “social justice” as a threat to the gospel. Sovereign Nations has also played host to Jordan B. Peterson, a viral conservative pseudo-philosopher who achieved stardom by pairing conservative messages and conspiracy theories with generic self-help advice aimed at young men.

Sandlin, the article’s author, is founder and president of the Center for Cultural Leadership, which equips “Christian transformationists” to “transform culture.” Sandlin is a former executive vice president of the Chalcedon Foundation, which was founded by Christian Reconstructionist R.J. Rushdoony, whose thinking has influenced many contemporary Religious Right leaders. Sandlin promotes his ideas through writing and podcasts. The Gospel Coalition’s online “resource library” includes links to 11 Sandlin publications.

Sandlin is also, according to his website, faculty for the Blackstone Legal Fellowship of the Alliance Defending Freedom, the global Religious Right legal giant. The goal of the Blackstone program, ADF once declared publicly, is to “recover the robust Christendomic theolo­gy of the 3rd, 4th, and 5th centuries.” (...)


 


"It’s strange that some Christians want to be libertarians when the very guiding principle for libertarians is what we know to be sin."


that hurts sort of...



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Posted: Jan 9, 2019 - 1:46pm

U.S. Constitution ‘Requires a Christian People,’ Says Dominionist, and Liberals Can’t be Christian
“Christians Must Be Conservative, And Conservatives Must Be Christian” is the headline of an article by P. Andrew Sandlin that was published in December on the Sovereign Nations website and promoted on the group’s Facebook page on Monday.

Sovereign Nations, “a media site dedicated to the preservation of national sovereignty,” describes its purpose as “a prolegomenon to the formation of a new, and not just sentimental, conservative and Constitutional Republic.” (Oxford defines prolegomenon as a “critical or discursive introduction to a book.”) It was seemingly created to challenge “the ideas and concepts” that guide the work of the Open Society Foundations, which were founded by George Soros, a favorite target of right-wing leaders.

Sovereign Nations’ founder Mark O’Halloran was a co-creator and original signer of a statement signed by more than 3,000 evangelical individuals and groups last year branding “social justice” as a threat to the gospel. Sovereign Nations has also played host to Jordan B. Peterson, a viral conservative pseudo-philosopher who achieved stardom by pairing conservative messages and conspiracy theories with generic self-help advice aimed at young men.

Sandlin, the article’s author, is founder and president of the Center for Cultural Leadership, which equips “Christian transformationists” to “transform culture.” Sandlin is a former executive vice president of the Chalcedon Foundation, which was founded by Christian Reconstructionist R.J. Rushdoony, whose thinking has influenced many contemporary Religious Right leaders. Sandlin promotes his ideas through writing and podcasts. The Gospel Coalition’s online “resource library” includes links to 11 Sandlin publications.

Sandlin is also, according to his website, faculty for the Blackstone Legal Fellowship of the Alliance Defending Freedom, the global Religious Right legal giant. The goal of the Blackstone program, ADF once declared publicly, is to “recover the robust Christendomic theolo­gy of the 3rd, 4th, and 5th centuries.” (...)

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Posted: Jan 8, 2019 - 9:11am

Smartphone users warned to be careful of the Antichrist

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Posted: Jan 7, 2019 - 7:11am

Heavily Abridged ‘Slave Bible’ Removed Passages That Might Encourage Uprisings
When 19th-century British missionaries arrived in the Caribbean to convert enslaved Africans, they came armed with a heavily edited version of the Bible. Any passage that might incite rebellion was removed; gone, for instance, were references to the exodus of enslaved Israelites from Egypt. Today, just three copies of the so-called “Slave Bible” are known to exist. Two are held in the United Kingdom, and one is  currently on view at the Museum of the Bible in Washington, D.C., Michel Martin reports for NPR.

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Posted: Jan 5, 2019 - 2:58pm

Why Trump Reigns as King Cyrus
The Christian right doesn’t like the president only for his judges. They like his style.
As the Trump presidency falls under siege on multiple fronts, it has become increasingly clear that the so-called values voters will be among the last to leave the citadel. A lot of attention has been paid to the supposed paradox of evangelicals backing such an imperfect man, but the real problem is that our idea of Christian nationalism hasn’t caught up with the reality. We still buy the line that the hard core of the Christian right is just an interest group working to protect its values. But what we don’t get is that Mr. Trump’s supposedly anti-Christian attributes and anti-democratic attributes are a vital part of his attraction.

Today’s Christian nationalists talk a good game about respecting the Constitution and America’s founders, but at bottom they sound as if they prefer autocrats to democrats. In fact, what they really want is a king. “It is God that raises up a king,” according to Paula White, a prosperity gospel preacher who has advised Mr. Trump.

Ralph Drollinger, who has led weekly Bible study groups in the White House attended by Vice President Mike Pence and many other cabinet members, likes the word “king” so much that he frequently turns it into a verb. “Get ready to king in our future lives,” he tells his followers. “Christian believers will — soon, I hope — become the consummate, perfect governing authorities!”

The great thing about kings like Cyrus, as far as today’s Christian nationalists are concerned, is that they don’t have to follow rules. They are the law. This makes them ideal leaders in paranoid times.

“When are they going to start rolling out the boxcars to start hauling off Christians?” Tony Perkins, the president of the Family Research Council, asked in 2016. If you’re hearing those boxcars pulling up in the distance, as it were, you don’t merely overlook the antisocial qualities of a prospective leader, you embrace them as virtues.

Mr. Trump himself well understands this longing for the hard hand of the despot. “If you don’t mind me saying so, you’ve gotten soft,” he told Mr. Wallnau and other evangelical leaders during the 2016 campaign — much to their delight.

Another important thing to understand about Cyrus is that he is not a queen. In the Christian nationalist world, legitimate political power is largely male power. Mr. Drollinger insists that the Bible describes only “male leadership.”

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Posted: Jan 2, 2019 - 1:15pm

A stultified imagination...
Jerry Falwell Jr. can’t imagine Trump ‘doing anything that’s not good for the country’
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Posted: Dec 17, 2018 - 4:09pm

Race, not abortion, was the founding issue of the religious right
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