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ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Jul 17, 2014 - 1:33pm

 Proclivities wrote:

Obama's exact words were “It looks like it might be a terrible tragedy...”.  Of course, if Rush Limbaugh is one's primary source of news...

 
Context: "Obviously, the world is watching reports of a downed passenger jet near the Russia/Ukraine border, and it looks like it might be a terrible tragedy..." He's saying it "might be" a tragedy because he's not confirming the news, only mentioning it. He could have added some more words like "if the reports are accurate, it is a terrible tragedy" but he didn't need to. Only people who take snippets of speeches and see how they can be manipulated (and those who see/hear the manipulated result) got his meaning wrong.
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Posted: Jul 17, 2014 - 1:27pm

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So, since I got the part about Twitter wrong, I am wrong.  But how did you know what I was talking about since I was so wrong ?

You are a true student of Alinsky ...  Get em lost in the weeds over technicalities when you can't deal with substance.

You prolly think Bush or Cheney did it anyway ...
 
They were questions, and you can't (be bothered to) answer them. I was wondering whether you saw something that I didn't.

Your ad homs and fantasies are irrelevant (as usual).
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Posted: Jul 17, 2014 - 1:20pm

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Which tweet? Are you talking about the deleted post on the VK social network (which would not be a tweet since it's not Twitter)? Usually there's someone who keeps a screenshot of such controversial messages...

 
So, since I got the part about Twitter wrong, I am wrong.  But how did you know what I was talking about since I was so wrong ?

You are a true student of Alinsky ...  Get em lost in the weeds over technicalities when you can't deal with substance.

You prolly think Bush or Cheney did it anyway ... 
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Posted: Jul 17, 2014 - 12:47pm

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(...) But the news of the rebel tweet is what I based my conclusion on. (...)
 
Which tweet? Are you talking about the deleted post on the VK social network (which would not be a tweet since it's not Twitter)? Usually there's someone who keeps a screenshot of such controversial messages...
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Posted: Jul 17, 2014 - 12:45pm

 ScottN wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

Its become pretty clear now that it was shot down by separatists who mistook it for a Ukrainian fighter.  A tweet from the separatists bragging .....

Funny (not) how Obama is unsure that shooting down a commercial airliner is a tragedy.

How in the world could you possibly know who (or if at this early point—could be an on board bomb) shot down the Malaysian Airliner?
Leave it to you to find blame for Obama somewhere—in this case in his language.  This is real-time.  I interpret tragedy to mean the result of a natural act.
An act of man (while tragic) would be criminal.
Obama was not making an official statement.  That will come after you have informed the parties involved of what has "become pretty clear now". Failing their lack of conviction on your word, I expect a statement to be released after actual facts are determined—with accuracy.

via CNN moments ago 'reports do not exclude the possibility of an on board explosion, either by malfunction or intentional'.

 
Obama's exact words were “It looks like it might be a terrible tragedy...”.  Of course, if Rush Limbaugh is one's primary source of news...


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Posted: Jul 17, 2014 - 12:41pm

 ScottN wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

Its become pretty clear now that it was shot down by separatists who mistook it for a Ukrainian fighter.  A tweet from the separatists bragging .....

Funny (not) how Obama is unsure that shooting down a commercial airliner is a tragedy.

How in the world could you possibly know who (or if at this early point—could be an on board bomb) shot down the Malaysian Airliner?
Leave it to you to find blame for Obama somewhere—in this case in his language.  This is real-time.  I interpret tragedy to mean the result of a natural act.
An act of man (while tragic) would be criminal.
Obama was not making an official statement.  That will come after you have informed the parties involved of what has "become pretty clear now". Failing their lack of conviction on your word, I expect a statement to be released after actual facts are determined—with accuracy.

via CNN moments ago 'reports do not exclude the possibility of an on board explosion, either by malfunction or intentional'.

 
We'll see who is correct in due time.  

I paid close attention to the news for several hours before making my comment.  I heard speak of a possible on board explosion.  But the news of the rebel tweet is what I based my conclusion on.  That and the fact that they already shot down two Ukrainian jets earlier this week.

 


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Posted: Jul 17, 2014 - 12:33pm

 kurtster wrote:

Its become pretty clear now that it was shot down by separatists who mistook it for a Ukrainian fighter.  A tweet from the separatists bragging .....

Funny (not) how Obama is unsure that shooting down a commercial airliner is a tragedy.

How in the world could you possibly know who (or if at this early point—could be an on board bomb) shot down the Malaysian Airliner?
Leave it to you to find blame for Obama somewhere—in this case in his language.  This is real-time.  I interpret tragedy to mean the result of a natural act.
An act of man (while tragic) would be criminal.
Obama was not making an official statement.  That will come after you have informed the parties involved of what has "become pretty clear now". Failing their lack of conviction on your word, I expect a statement to be released after actual facts are determined—with accuracy.

via CNN moments ago 'reports do not exclude the possibility of an on board explosion, either by malfunction or intentional'.


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Posted: Jul 17, 2014 - 12:15pm

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I knew there had to be fault of Obama in this somewhere.

 
and that would be ... what ?

If there is any fault or blame to be shared with who shot down the plane, it would be the airline company that let its planes fly over a well known war zone.  The US made the zone off limits to US commercial traffic back in April.

Only as a result of today's tragedy has Germany and France now banned their commercial craft from flying over Ukraine.

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Posted: Jul 17, 2014 - 12:10pm

 kurtster wrote:

Its become pretty clear now that it was shot down by separatists who mistook it for a Ukrainian fighter.  A tweet from the separatists bragging about bringing down a third Ukrainian jet this week was noted.  The tweet has since been deleted.

At this point, all the debris landed in rebel territory and they claim the black boxes have already been recovered and are now in the hands of the Russians, who in the past several weeks gave the rebels highly sophisticated ground to air missiles of the type that apparently took down the airliner.

Obama has stated that finding out if any Americans on board was his first priority, while stating that this "may be a tragedy".

Funny (not) how Obama is unsure that shooting down a commercial airliner is a tragedy.

 

I knew there had to be fault of Obama in this somwhere.
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Posted: Jul 17, 2014 - 12:07pm

 DaveInVA wrote: 
Its become pretty clear now that it was shot down by separatists who mistook it for a Ukrainian fighter.  A tweet from the separatists bragging about bringing down a third Ukrainian jet this week was noted.  The tweet has since been deleted.

At this point, all the debris landed in rebel territory and they claim the black boxes have already been recovered and are now in the hands of the Russians, who in the past several weeks gave the rebels highly sophisticated ground to air missiles of the type that apparently took down the airliner.

Obama has stated that finding out if any Americans on board was his first priority, while stating that this "may be a tragedy".

Funny (not) how Obama is unsure that shooting down a commercial airliner is a tragedy.
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Posted: Jul 17, 2014 - 9:15am

Malaysia Airlines passenger jet reportedly shot down in Ukraine


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Posted: May 12, 2014 - 9:49am

400 Blackwater Mercs Deployed In Ukraine Against Separatists, German Press Reports
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Posted: May 12, 2014 - 9:36am

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Original source for all of the stories is this German newspaper: 

The German newspaper Bild am Sonntag reported on Sunday 400 U.S. mercenaries are working with the junta government in Ukraine to suppress opposition to the coup in the eastern part of the country.

 
Okeydoke.
 

 
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Posted: May 12, 2014 - 9:09am

 sirdroseph wrote: 
First link: "Source: RT"
Second link: "Source: The Voice of Russia" 

 
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Posted: May 12, 2014 - 8:34am

 Red_Dragon wrote:

FOX/Republican Party?

 
Peas/pod
 


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Posted: May 12, 2014 - 8:28am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Not disputing anything in the video but posting/viewing something on RT about the Ukraine...  

 
FOX/Republican Party?
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Posted: May 12, 2014 - 8:27am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Not disputing anything in the video but posting/viewing something on RT about the Ukraine...  

 

One of the few media outlets I trust including events in Ukraine.
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Posted: May 12, 2014 - 8:25am

 sirdroseph wrote:
Looks like President Bush is acitivating Blackwater again, will he ever learn?

 
Not disputing anything in the video but posting/viewing something on RT about the Ukraine...  
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Posted: May 12, 2014 - 8:21am

Looks like President Bush is acitivating Blackwater again, will he ever learn?


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Posted: May 11, 2014 - 11:37am

 Red_Dragon wrote:
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Ukraine has been in the cross-hairs of greater powers for most of its existence.  {#Meditate}


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