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Posted: Feb 15, 2023 - 11:28am

One of the least-discussed aspects of the war in Ukraine is the refugee crisis it caused. 8 million people have fled the country, with countless more internally displaced. February 22nd HIAS, an international NGO working to care for and resettle refugees, is putting on a webinar marking the one year anniversary of the start of the latest invasion and providing an update on the situations of Ukrainian refugees.. Click the link to register.
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Posted: Feb 14, 2023 - 3:04pm

 R_P wrote:

Someone had a premature ejaculation

Milley, speaking at a joint news conference with US defence secretary Lloyd Austin, said President Vladimir Putin believed he could defeat Ukraine quickly when he ordered his troops to invade almost a year ago.
(Putin) was wrong. Ukraine remains free. They remain independent. Nato and its coalition has never been stronger.

Now, Russia is a global pariah and the world remains inspired by Ukrainian bravery and resilience. In short, Russia has lost – they’ve lost strategically, operationally and tactically and they are paying an enormous price on the battlefield.


You?

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Posted: Feb 14, 2023 - 11:38am

Someone had a premature ejaculation
Milley, speaking at a joint news conference with US defence secretary Lloyd Austin, said President Vladimir Putin believed he could defeat Ukraine quickly when he ordered his troops to invade almost a year ago.
(Putin) was wrong. Ukraine remains free. They remain independent. Nato and its coalition has never been stronger.

Now, Russia is a global pariah and the world remains inspired by Ukrainian bravery and resilience. In short, Russia has lost – they’ve lost strategically, operationally and tactically and they are paying an enormous price on the battlefield.

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Posted: Feb 14, 2023 - 9:01am

 cc_rider wrote:
News reports (CBS, for one) indicate the current front lines are disturbingly similar to WW I: trench warfare.
God help us.
c.

Don't worry, you got this!
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Posted: Feb 14, 2023 - 8:27am

 R_P wrote:

The 3rd World War Has Begun : Escalation In Ukraine Will Change Everything - Emmanuel Todd


News reports (CBS, for one) indicate the current front lines are disturbingly similar to WW I: trench warfare.
God help us.
c.


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Posted: Feb 13, 2023 - 9:17pm

The 3rd World War Has Begun : Escalation In Ukraine Will Change Everything - Emmanuel Todd

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Posted: Feb 9, 2023 - 9:27am

 Red_Dragon wrote:
An officer from SpaceX said Starlink was “never, never meant to be weaponised”, but then

Elon Musk's favorite Twitter feature is being weaponized by white supremacists


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Posted: Feb 9, 2023 - 8:35am

Fury in Ukraine as Elon Musk’s SpaceX limits Starlink use for drones
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Posted: Feb 9, 2023 - 8:15am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
Cool, now that we have got that sorted..   I assume you then have no fundamental problem with liberal democracies defending themselves against invasion from autocratic neighbours, or have I missed a step along the way?

People (whether in a democratic state or not) have the right to resist. (Freedom Fighters!)
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Posted: Feb 9, 2023 - 6:56am

 Red_Dragon wrote:



It's  groundhog day. I knew it.
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Posted: Feb 9, 2023 - 12:14am

 R_P wrote:

There's no reason to provide you with an alternative. I'm just fine with liberal democracies.

Cool, now that we have got that sorted..   I assume you then have no fundamental problem with liberal democracies defending themselves against invasion from autocratic neighbours, or have I missed a step along the way?

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Posted: Feb 8, 2023 - 9:43pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
 the best I can come up with is some kind of anti-US tribalism.
 
I concluded this years ago.  But everyone here sided with him and called me hostile and crazy.

I also said that he cannot be anti war when he unabashedly supports the Palestinians as Freedom Fighters®

Carry on and good luck.
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Posted: Feb 8, 2023 - 6:47pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:



Incredible!  How could this be true?!  Am I dreaming?

Cognitive dissonance now at 240% !  Canna take this much longer! She's gonna blow!
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Posted: Feb 8, 2023 - 6:28pm


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Posted: Feb 8, 2023 - 5:55pm

MMM.

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Posted: Feb 8, 2023 - 4:07pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
All I claimed was that the democratic process might be the best we have for bashing out what values we want to collectively pursue. And absent of any constructive alternative from you I'll stick with that for now.

There's no reason to provide you with an alternative. I'm just fine with liberal democracies.
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Posted: Feb 8, 2023 - 3:10pm

 R_P wrote:

The "rules-based order" has democracies in it (and some that by now can barely be considered democracies) but that doesn't mean its (collective as by representatives) decision-making or rationales are necessarily democratic (i.e. supported or voted on by the people). Democracies vary quite a bit. Since you felt the need to highlight one issue, here's one esp. reactionary member. I can think of others.

Pretending the "rules-based order" is a monolith of superior values is bunkum.

again, your reading and logic are  flawed. You are conflating the democratic process behind support of a rules-based system (be it by stronger or weaker democracies) to imply that this should, by my reasoning, necessarily generate a monolith of superior values. 

That is not what I claimed.  First democracies are constantly in flux. So monolith is completely the wrong metaphor. Secondly, democracies can demonstrably become totally unhinged, therefore "necessarily better" is also fundamentally flawed.  All I claimed was that the democratic process might be the best we have for bashing out what values we want to collectively pursue. And absent of any constructive alternative from you I'll stick with that for now. It certainly doesn't mean that I or any other individual has to agree with the collective.

Likewise, your claim that the "rules" are not necessarily voted on by the people does not imply that the general process is per se undemocratic. Democracies have the wonderful capacity of hearing out even the weirdest claims made by their constituents. So if they are not voted on by the people originally, there is at least redress by democratic process. Not perfect, but hey.

But all of this still leaves the glaring question:  What are your values?  What on earth are you gunning for?



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Posted: Feb 8, 2023 - 2:44pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
Evidence please? And if you think that, then what is your alternative?

The "rules-based order" has democracies in it (and some that by now can barely be considered democracies) but that doesn't mean its (collective as by representatives) decision-making or rationales are necessarily democratic (i.e. supported or voted on by the people). Democracies vary quite a bit. Since you felt the need to highlight one issue, here's one esp. reactionary member. I can think of others.

Pretending the "rules-based order" is a monolith of superior values is bunkum.
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Posted: Feb 8, 2023 - 2:30pm

 R_P wrote:

The rules-based order isn't democratic.


Evidence please? And if you think that, then what is your alternative?
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Posted: Feb 8, 2023 - 2:26pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
I readily admit the concepts of right and wrong are determined by the "rules" which are bashed out in discourse and collectively agreed on by democratic process. This alone implies I don't necessarily agree with one or the other specific decision or policy. That is what democracy means.

And tbh  I still don't have a clue as to what political foundation you are championing anyway. I was kind of hoping it was some kind of Marxist ideal, but the best I can come up with is some kind of anti-US tribalism.

The rules-based order isn't democratic.

That's likely because you're steeped in pro-US tribalism. Or "cultural hegemony." Let's just slap a label on it and be done with it.

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