Its become pretty clear now that it was shot down by separatists who mistook it for a Ukrainian fighter. A tweet from the separatists bragging .....
Funny (not) how Obama is unsure that shooting down a commercial airliner is a tragedy.
How in the world couldyoupossibly know who (or if at this early point—could be an on board bomb)shot down the Malaysian Airliner? Leave it to you to find blame for Obama somewhere—in this case in his language. This is real-time. I interpret tragedy to mean the result of a natural act. An act of man (while tragic) would be criminal. Obama was not making an official statement. That will come after you have informed the parties involved of what has "become pretty clear now". Failing their lack of conviction on your word, I expect a statement to be released after actual facts are determined—with accuracy.
via CNN moments ago 'reports do not exclude the possibility of an on board explosion, either by malfunction or intentional'.
Obama's exact words were “It looks like it might be a terrible tragedy...”. Of course, if Rush Limbaugh is one's primary source of news...
Its become pretty clear now that it was shot down by separatists who mistook it for a Ukrainian fighter. A tweet from the separatists bragging .....
Funny (not) how Obama is unsure that shooting down a commercial airliner is a tragedy.
How in the world couldyoupossibly know who (or if at this early point—could be an on board bomb)shot down the Malaysian Airliner? Leave it to you to find blame for Obama somewhere—in this case in his language. This is real-time. I interpret tragedy to mean the result of a natural act. An act of man (while tragic) would be criminal. Obama was not making an official statement. That will come after you have informed the parties involved of what has "become pretty clear now". Failing their lack of conviction on your word, I expect a statement to be released after actual facts are determined—with accuracy.
via CNN moments ago 'reports do not exclude the possibility of an on board explosion, either by malfunction or intentional'.
We'll see who is correct in due time.
I paid close attention to the news for several hours before making my comment. I heard speak of a possible on board explosion. But the news of the rebel tweet is what I based my conclusion on. That and the fact that they already shot down two Ukrainian jets earlier this week.
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Jul 17, 2014 - 12:33pm
kurtster wrote:
Its become pretty clear now that it was shot down by separatists who mistook it for a Ukrainian fighter. A tweet from the separatists bragging .....
Funny (not) how Obama is unsure that shooting down a commercial airliner is a tragedy.
How in the world couldyoupossibly know who (or if at this early point—could be an on board bomb)shot down the Malaysian Airliner? Leave it to you to find blame for Obama somewhere—in this case in his language. This is real-time. I interpret tragedy to mean the result of a natural act. An act of man (while tragic) would be criminal. Obama was not making an official statement. That will come after you have informed the parties involved of what has "become pretty clear now". Failing their lack of conviction on your word, I expect a statement to be released after actual facts are determined—with accuracy.
via CNN moments ago 'reports do not exclude the possibility of an on board explosion, either by malfunction or intentional'.
I knew there had to be fault of Obama in this somewhere.
and that would be ... what ?
If there is any fault or blame to be shared with who shot down the plane, it would be the airline company that let its planes fly over a well known war zone. The US made the zone off limits to US commercial traffic back in April.
Only as a result of today's tragedy has Germany and France now banned their commercial craft from flying over Ukraine.
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Jul 17, 2014 - 12:10pm
kurtster wrote:
Its become pretty clear now that it was shot down by separatists who mistook it for a Ukrainian fighter. A tweet from the separatists bragging about bringing down a third Ukrainian jet this week was noted. The tweet has since been deleted.
At this point, all the debris landed in rebel territory and they claim the black boxes have already been recovered and are now in the hands of the Russians, who in the past several weeks gave the rebels highly sophisticated ground to air missiles of the type that apparently took down the airliner.
Obama has stated that finding out if any Americans on board was his first priority, while stating that this "may be a tragedy".
Funny (not) how Obama is unsure that shooting down a commercial airliner is a tragedy.
I knew there had to be fault of Obama in this somwhere.
Its become pretty clear now that it was shot down by separatists who mistook it for a Ukrainian fighter. A tweet from the separatists bragging about bringing down a third Ukrainian jet this week was noted. The tweet has since been deleted.
At this point, all the debris landed in rebel territory and they claim the black boxes have already been recovered and are now in the hands of the Russians, who in the past several weeks gave the rebels highly sophisticated ground to air missiles of the type that apparently took down the airliner.
Obama has stated that finding out if any Americans on board was his first priority, while stating that this "may be a tragedy".
Funny (not) how Obama is unsure that shooting down a commercial airliner is a tragedy.
Original source for all of the stories is this German newspaper:
The German newspaper Bild am Sonntag reported on Sunday 400 U.S. mercenaries are working with the junta government in Ukraine to suppress opposition to the coup in the eastern part of the country.
About 400 elite mercenaries from the notorious US private security firm Academi (formerly Blackwater) are taking part in the Ukrainian military operation against anti-government protesters in southeastern regions of the country, German media reports.
The Bild am Sonntag newspaper, citing a source in intelligence circles, wrote Sunday that Academi employees are involved in the Kiev military crackdown on pro-autonomy activists in near the town of Slavyansk, in the Donetsk region.
On April 29, German Intelligence Service (BND) informed Chancellor Angela Merkel’s government about the mercenaries’ participation in the operation, the paper said, RIA Novosti reported. It is not clear who commands the private military contractors and pays for their services, however.
In March, media reports appeared suggesting that the coup-imposed government in Kiev could have employed up to 300 mercenaries.That was before the new government launched a military operation against anti-Maidan activists, or “terrorists” as Kiev put it, in southeast Ukraine.
At the time, the Russian Foreign Ministry said then that reports claiming Kiev was planning to involve “involve staff from foreign military companies to ‘ensure the rule of law,’” could suggest that it wanted “to suppress civil protests and dissatisfaction.”
In particular, Greystone Limited, which is currently registered in Barbados and is a part of Academi Corporation, is a candidate for such a gendarme role. It is a similar and probably an affiliated structure of the Blackwater private army, whose staff have been accused of cruel and systematic violations of human rights in various trouble spots on many occasions. (...)
Allegations increased further after unverified videos appeared on YouTube of unidentified armed men in the streets of Donetsk, the capital of the country’s industrial and coalmining region. In those videos, onlookers can be heard shouting “Mercenaries!”“Blackwater!,” and “Who are you going to shoot at?”
Academi denied its involvement in Ukraine, claiming on its website that “rumors” were posted by “some irresponsible bloggers and online reporters.”
“Such unfounded statements combined with the lack of factual reporting to support them and the lack of context about the company, are nothing more than sensationalistic efforts to create hysteria and headlines in times of genuine crisis,” the US firm stated.
The American security company Blackwater gained worldwide notoriety for the substantial role it played in the Iraq war as a contractor for the US government. In recent years it has changed its name twice – in 2009 it was renamed Xe Services and in 2011 it got its current name, Academi.
The firm became infamous for the alleged September 16, 2007 killing of 17 Iraqi civilians in Baghdad. The attack, which saw 20 others wounded, was allegedly without justification and in violation of deadly-force rules that pertained to American security contractors in Iraq at the time. Between 2005 and September 2007, Blackwater security guards were involved in at least 195 shooting incidents in Iraq and fired first in 163 of those cases, a Congressional report said at the time.
