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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 2:54pm

One week into the Russian special operation in the Ukraine – update

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So we are a week in and I think it is time to take short pause and see what happened over the last 7 days.

  • The Russian attack began, as predicted, mostly by strikes with standoff weapons. 24 hour hours later the Ukie air force and navy ceased to exist. In this initial phase, few Ukrainian units were directly engaged.

———- 
So far, that has worked pretty well. But here are the stone cold fact about the Ukie military:

Air Force: gone
Navy: gone
Long range, standoff capabilities: gone
Air defenses: gone
Regular ground forces: no less than 65% (some say up to 80%) of the Ukie military is surrounded and condemned
Assorted Nazi units: I don’t have the figures, but A LOT of them are now either in the Donbass cauldron or in Mariupol. They will mostly not be taken prisoner, except for the leaders who will be tried and sentenced for their innumerable crimes.
So, in terms of the Russian goals, here is how I would score this:

Ukrainian disarmament: mostly already done, the Ukraine has nothing to threaten Russia with
Ukrainian denazification: only at the early start, but conditions are excellent and I am confident that most of the hardcore Nazis will soon be dead
One more thing I forgot to mention about the “no man’s land” west of the Donbass operational cauldron. It is shown in the map below where the black and yellow lines touch (and add about 5-10km on each side)
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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 2:04pm

 R_P wrote:
 miamizsun wrote:
does this include something valid like basic individual human rights?

Possibly.
 
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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 1:09pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
I think my internal resistance to slowly killing the perpetrators of this war is falling by the second. 

The abyss. It stares back.
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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 1:07pm

 miamizsun wrote:
does this include something valid like basic individual human rights?

Possibly.
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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 1:03pm

 rgio wrote:

According to my business partner (born in Russia with family there), Russia is about to impose martial law to stop the demonstrations.  



I realise that is terrible, but something about the way things are developing reminds me so much of 1989 in Germany. When the people starting marching en masse, singing "wir sind das Volk" a lot of us in the west were waiting with baited breath for the military to walk in and start shooting everybody.  Russia seems to have come to the same point in its history. 
People don't generally like being told what to do or think at gunpoint.

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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 12:57pm

According to my business partner (born in Russia with family there), Russia is about to impose martial law to stop the demonstrations.  
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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 12:55pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

let me think about this. You, a paid Russian shill, are posting material that suggests the sanctions won't hurt, which of course means the sanctions must be hurting, which means, MORE SANCTIONS! let's hit this privileged elite of robber barons who are screwing over their own country with everything we possibly can.



They are who will - hopefully - take out the little dictator.
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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 12:44pm

 Ivanhoe wrote:

—-> Follow The Money: How Russia Will Bypass Western Economic Warfare
(A recent anti-West stance by Pepe Escobar, quite demagogic)
- Moscow already linked its SPFS payment system not only to China but also to India and member nations of the Eurasia Economic Union (EAEU). SPFS already links to approximately 400 banks. -


Also along that line:
Since 2019 many agreements have also been reached to link SPFS to other countries payment systems in China, India, Iran, as well as the countries within the Eurasian Economic Union (EAEU) which includes Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan.


let me think about this. You, a paid Russian shill, are posting material that suggests the sanctions won't hurt, which of course means the sanctions must be hurting, which means, MORE SANCTIONS! let's hit this privileged elite of robber barons who are screwing over their own country with everything we possibly can.

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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 12:19pm

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It takes moralizing.


I think my internal resistance to slowly killing the perpetrators of this war is falling by the second. 


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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 12:14pm

 R_P wrote:

It takes moralizing.



does this include something valid like basic individual human rights?

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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 11:33am

 miamizsun wrote:
it takes conditioning

It takes moralizing.

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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 11:28am

Taking the fight for the hearts and minds of the Russian soldiers
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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 11:22am

 Red_Dragon wrote:
 miamizsun wrote:
didn't read it yet (the article links to bloomberg?)

not sure how any human being could do that to another human being

how would you condition someone to "execute" such an atrocity?


Humans have been conditioned to commit atrocities for millennia.
 
it takes conditioning
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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 11:18am

Ukraine War Highlights Tensions in Putin’s Objectives. Will He Win the War and Lose the Peace?

Posted on March 3, 2022 by

Russia embarked on a large-scale invasion of Ukraine on February 24, catching just about everyone by surprise.1 Despite Western politicians and the press attempting to depict Russia as going slowly and/or doing poorly, it’s already clear a mere week in Russia will prevail. Russia had only deployed a small portion of its available forces. It appears to have been taking more casualties to reduce civilian deaths. It has left the power, the Internet, and even the cell phone system up even though that helped the Ukrainian army, presumably to reduce civilian panic and hardship. So far, it has also avoided civilian targets and infrastructure (“avoided” does not mean “completely spared”; something that surgical isn’t feasible).

Russia still has to subdue important population centers, such as Kiev, Mariupol, Odessa. While the exact conditions on the ground are disputed, Russia appears to have encircled or at least terminally tied down the bulk of the Ukrainian army in Donbass, making it impossible to relieve Kiev. Depending on who you trust, Kiev is largely or entirely encircled. Ditto Mariupol and Odessa. Russia is also reported to be staging an amphibious assault on Odessa.


———

So then the question is what the US will accept. I’m not sure how it can back down. But Biden completely undercut his ability to push Europeans around by stating the US would not provide troops to support ground combat in Eastern Europe. So the French and Germans are supposed to serve as cannon fodder when they tried to avoid confrontation with Russia, such as opposing the NATO enlargement in 2008 to include Georgia and Ukraine, and by their repeated failed efforts to implement the Minsk Protocol.

As we’ve pointed out, Russia has held back from economic retaliation, such as seizing Western assets in Russia, choking commodities supplies, and violating patents. But the current sanctions are inflicting pain and weakening Putin’s position, although not necessarily in the way the Western press portrays. Readers closer to Russia report that citizens, particularly now the pretty large middle class, are freaked out by the collapse of the rouble. But even more important, many have been directly whacked by the increase in interest rates to 20%. Many if not most mortgages are floating rate. And vlade reports that new mortgages are not being written, so home sales are presumably frozen.

So if Western economic sanctions aren’t unwound soon, which seems extremely unlikely, Putin will lose backing among the more prosperous segments of Russian society. How that plays out remains to be seen.


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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 11:07am

 miamizsun wrote:


didn't read it yet (the article links to bloomberg?)

not sure how any human being could do that to another human being

how would you condition someone to "execute" such an atrocity?


Humans have been conditioned to commit atrocities for millennia.
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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 11:03am

is this the un vote?

because if it is...



imagine being aligned with one of the red countries...
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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 10:51am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

and speaking of shear brutality 

"Russia has drawn up plans for public executions in Ukraine as and when cities are captured by Russian troops, Bloomberg reports.

Bloomberg cites a European intelligence official as saying that Moscow has drafted strategies to break morale in order to discourage Ukrainians from fighting back as cities fall under the Kremlin’s control.

The official said Moscow plans to crack down on protest, detain opponents and potentially carry out public executions, the news agency writes."




didn't read it yet (the article links to bloomberg?)

not sure how any human being could do that to another human being

how would you condition someone to "execute" such an atrocity?
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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 10:46am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


Yeah but this time they're doing it to get rid of Nazis.

Anybody want to buy a bridge? 

🌉




will you take rubles? (funny not funny) 
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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 10:11am

 Red_Dragon wrote:


Just like the last assholes who invaded Ukraine. The irony is obscene.


Yeah but this time they're doing it to get rid of Nazis.

Anybody want to buy a bridge? 

🌉


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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 10:07am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

and speaking of shear brutality 

"Russia has drawn up plans for public executions in Ukraine as and when cities are captured by Russian troops, Bloomberg reports.

Bloomberg cites a European intelligence official as saying that Moscow has drafted strategies to break morale in order to discourage Ukrainians from fighting back as cities fall under the Kremlin’s control.

The official said Moscow plans to crack down on protest, detain opponents and potentially carry out public executions, the news agency writes."




Just like the last assholes who invaded Ukraine. The irony is obscene.
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