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Posted: Mar 12, 2022 - 2:40pm

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it seems clear that russia has been using thermobaric weapons on civilians

Also used in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan & Syria.

"Like other FAE using ethylene oxide, in the event of non-ignition, it functions as a chemical weapon, due to the highly toxic nature of this gas."

Thermobaric weapons are truly terrible, says the UK. But it also uses them.

It's ok to use them, but only if you're a Liberal Democracy™ fighting evildoers.

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Posted: Mar 12, 2022 - 2:25pm

Someone needs to kill Putin - now.
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Posted: Mar 12, 2022 - 8:01am

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i read something similar (obviously hard to verify)
hope those around him realize the damage he has done and the potential horrific scenario he could initiate
not sure how any sane person could support him or go along with launching a nuclear attack
also saw where it looks like he is advancing thermobaric weapons into the ukraine
if true this would be an unbelievably bad sign

peace


it seems clear that russia has been using thermobaric weapons on civilians

really good  explanation of the weapons and the challenges with treating people exposed


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Posted: Mar 12, 2022 - 7:03am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

{#Wink}
  sure. 

The final paragraphs of this piece are a bit sobering:

“According to people with knowledge of Mr Putin’s conversations with his aides over the past two years, the president has completely lost interest in the present,” Mikhail Zygar, a Russian journalist and author of All the Kremlin’s Men: Inside the Court of Vladimir Putin, wrote in the New York Times. “The economy, social issues, the coronavirus pandemic, these all annoy him … In his mind, Mr Putin finds himself in a unique historical situation in which he can finally recover from the previous years of humiliation.”

The failure to conquer Ukraine with the ease he had expected has added yet more humiliation, to which Putin shows every sign of responding with greater violence, with no end to the murderous cycle in sight. The departure of McDonald’s and all that represents looks destined to be just a speck in the avalanche brought on by Russia’s fall.

How about that? The departure of McDonald's might drive him over the edge?


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Posted: Mar 11, 2022 - 11:52pm

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 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
doesn't mean their intel is wrong. 

Doesn't mean their intel is right.
 
{#Wink}  sure. 

The final paragraphs of this piece are a bit sobering:

“According to people with knowledge of Mr Putin’s conversations with his aides over the past two years, the president has completely lost interest in the present,” Mikhail Zygar, a Russian journalist and author of All the Kremlin’s Men: Inside the Court of Vladimir Putin, wrote in the New York Times. “The economy, social issues, the coronavirus pandemic, these all annoy him … In his mind, Mr Putin finds himself in a unique historical situation in which he can finally recover from the previous years of humiliation.”

The failure to conquer Ukraine with the ease he had expected has added yet more humiliation, to which Putin shows every sign of responding with greater violence, with no end to the murderous cycle in sight. The departure of McDonald’s and all that represents looks destined to be just a speck in the avalanche brought on by Russia’s fall.

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Posted: Mar 11, 2022 - 11:47pm

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doesn't mean their intel is wrong. 

Doesn't mean their intel is right.
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Posted: Mar 11, 2022 - 11:42pm

 R_P wrote: 
doesn't mean their intel is wrong. 
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Posted: Mar 11, 2022 - 11:24pm

ISW = Institute for the Study of War
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Posted: Mar 11, 2022 - 10:07pm

New report from ISW

Russian president Vladimir Putin was reportedly conducting an internal purge of general officers and intelligence personnel, including by firing several generals and arresting FSB intelligence officers.

The ISW said the Kremlin was likely trying to “increase its combat power by drawing Belarus into the war and leveraging Syrian proxies, in addition to ongoing efforts to directly replace Russian combat losses through individual conscripts that are unlikely to be well-enough trained or motivated.”

Russian aircraft had likely conducted an attempted false-flag attack on Belarusian territory on Friday in an effort to draw Belarus into the war but Belarusian president Alexander Lukashenko was likely to be resisting that pressure in order to avoid western sanctions and combat losses, the institute said.

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Posted: Mar 11, 2022 - 4:11pm

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In my opinion the only hope for an end to this (and to try and stop additional suffering) is a mass uprising of the Russian populace leading to an overthrow of the government (highly unlikely) or an internally organized coup of those residing close to or within Putin's inner circle. I'm betting the latter scenario is probably more feasible and is the one that I (along with what I assume to be many) are probably hoping for.




Agree with you there VV, and Putin is now well aware of these two possibilities . 
He must have been so cock sure he would have had Ukraine in the bag well before this.
And now he would be hearing of the mounting cases of war crimes against him along with the massive costs of Ukrainian infrastructure repairs win or lose. Putin would have already been offered some kinda "get out of jail card" ( standard negotiating tactic) deal by now by back door negotiators (the French ?).
And you can bet your bottom dollar they would also have been in discrete discussion with his closest aides .




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Posted: Mar 11, 2022 - 4:11pm

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Posted: Mar 11, 2022 - 11:07am

 Animal-Farm wrote:

Jim Rogers: "None Of This Should Be Happening, It's Absolute Madness"

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"...now we're all paying a gigantic price for...,the US State Department instigated coup in 2014..."

THU MAR 10, AT 6:00 PM

Facebook, Instagram To Allow Calls For Violence Against Russians Over Ukraine Invasion

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'In a recent change to the company's rules on violence and incitement..."

THU MAR 10, AT 5:40 PM 


Yes, that's right. The US made Ukrainians protest against a Russian-puppet govt and elect their own leaders.

The US also made the majority of Ukrainians want closer ties to the US and entry into the EU. Ukrainians have no will of their own. Oh and it's perfectly fine for Russia to invade another sovereign nation just because Russia became concerned that it was losing influence over that nation.



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Posted: Mar 11, 2022 - 9:22am

Jim Rogers: "None Of This Should Be Happening, It's Absolute Madness"

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"...now we're all paying a gigantic price for...,the US State Department instigated coup in 2014..."

THU MAR 10, AT 6:00 PM

Facebook, Instagram To Allow Calls For Violence Against Russians Over Ukraine Invasion

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'In a recent change to the company's rules on violence and incitement..."

THU MAR 10, AT 5:40 PM 
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Posted: Mar 11, 2022 - 8:25am

I think at some point, given is penchant for saying things contrary to reality, he will simply declare victory and withdraw to the parts of the country he holds and thinks he can keep holding. That's where things will get dicey. EU would presumably enter the country for humanitarian reasons and Ukrainians would coalesce their troops to drive them all the way out. At the same time, their economy is continually collapsing, its hard to say how he will survive that, but hard to count him out too. 
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Posted: Mar 11, 2022 - 8:05am

The more that this drags on and is more that I believe Putin has pushed "all in" and there will be no offramps or a brokered diplomatic solution to a withdrawal of those troops. I hold no hope for any diplomatic talks resulting in any breakthroughs or lasting cease-fires. 
 
In my opinion the only hope for an end to this (and to try and stop additional suffering) is a mass uprising of the Russian populace leading to an overthrow of the government (highly unlikely) or an internally organized coup of those residing close to or within Putin's inner circle. I'm betting the latter scenario is probably more feasible and is the one that I (along with what I assume to be many) are probably hoping for.

Even if Putin gets his "win" in Ukraine... as long as Putin is in power... I don't see the raft of sanctions which are crushing the Russian economy being lifted. So if I am a high-ranking official in Russia considering the possibility of a coup, I have to understand that the first step to get Russia back on track is to remove Putin and begin the process of trying to rebuild the Russian economy and rebuild all of the fractured relationships with other nations... most immediately Ukraine.  Ultimately there is no rebuild of Russia with Putin still in charge.

Maybe I'm just naïve.... I've been called worse.



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Posted: Mar 10, 2022 - 11:52pm

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 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
.. which also explains why autocratic regimes are terribly bad for global progress.  Maybe the name Putin will enter the dictionary as a verb meaning to fuck up a functioning political system in an effort to revert to outdated and broken structures and thought patterns. What Ned Ludd* is for technological progress, Vladimir Putin is for political progress. 
He's such a perfect example of getting it all wrong and causing enormous harm to millions of people because his power is unchecked by any domestic controls and balances.  *Who, in contrast to Putin, was apparently entirely fictional.

While I share the contempt for Putin I want to correct what looks like a misconception: that if Putin were out of the picture Russia would be a peaceful, prosperous nation. Putin is the strongman who emerged from the political and cultural swamp that is post-soviet Russia. If he were gone tomorrow that swamp would still be there, ready to breed another monster like him. Maybe we're lucky enough that he was unique, that the cultural and historical grievances that bred him were looking for exactly his personality and no other...but I wouldn't bet the safety of the world on that.
 
I think that post-Soviet swamp might not be quite as fetid as you imagine.
It takes time, but cultures can develop/adapt surprisingly quickly.
Russia could still take either path IMO. Downwards into local mafia governed economies or EU-style rules based economies. I don't know enough about Russia to say. 
Looks like all the closet fascists here are counting on the former.
Just wish they would go and live there already. 
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Posted: Mar 10, 2022 - 11:29pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
.. which also explains why autocratic regimes are terribly bad for global progress. 

Maybe the name Putin will enter the dictionary as a verb meaning to fuck up a functioning political system in an effort to revert to outdated and broken structures and thought patterns. What Ned Ludd* is for technological progress, Vladimir Putin is for political progress. 
He's such a perfect example of getting it all wrong and causing enormous harm to millions of people because his power is unchecked by any domestic controls and balances. 

*Who, in contrast to Putin, was apparently entirely fictional.

While I share the contempt for Putin I want to correct what looks like a misconception: that if Putin were out of the picture Russia would be a peaceful, prosperous nation.

Putin is the strongman who emerged from the political and cultural swamp that is post-soviet Russia. If he were gone tomorrow that swamp would still be there, ready to breed another monster like him.

Maybe we're lucky enough that he was unique, that the cultural and historical grievances that bred him were looking for exactly his personality and no other...but I wouldn't bet the safety of the world on that.
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Posted: Mar 10, 2022 - 7:42pm

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.. which also explains why autocratic regimes are terribly bad for global progress. 

Maybe the name Putin will enter the dictionary as a verb meaning to fuck up a functioning political system in an effort to revert to outdated and broken structures and thought patterns. What Ned Ludd* is for technological progress, Vladimir Putin is for political progress. 
He's such a perfect example of getting it all wrong and causing enormous harm to millions of people because his power is unchecked by any domestic controls and balances. 

*Who, in contrast to Putin, was apparently entirely fictional.

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Posted: Mar 10, 2022 - 3:36pm


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Posted: Mar 10, 2022 - 2:57pm

Knock, knock....who's there ?



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