âI donât have anything against Khelif,â the Italian says, adding that âif I were to meet her again I would embrace herâ
There's some posting going on that says Carini might be melodramatic at times, with the crying after losses etc.
Her change of stance (for whatever her reasons) doesn't make the problem of men competing in women's sports go away.
Everytime I see another example of this travesty, I think of a friend who's a very accomplished multiple gold, silver & bronze medal-winning long-time oval track and road cycler, winning at events around the world. Her decades of accomplishments would be wiped out if a middling male rider had been allowed to compete in those women's cycling events.
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Political outrage surrounding two women competing in boxing at the Paris Olympics stems from âa lot of misinformation,â an International Olympics Committee spokesperson said Friday. It all began when the IOC said Algerian boxer Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-ting of Taiwan were allowed to compete at the 2024 Olympics after the International Boxing Association (IBA) disqualified them for unspecified gender eligibilityâ¦
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on a personal level, who cares what an adult human says/claims? it is your life, have at it
and is this limited to gender?
why not age?
why not race?
why not species?
seems biology and gender ideology are at loggerheads, no?
we might need another category for competitive sports other than "women"
can a male mentally change gender without make-up, clothing and using a certain restroom?
if so and who makes that decision?
and why the ban on peds? aren't they literally hormones?
in competitive sports aren't they always "male dominant hormones"?
and what makes those preferred over female hormones?
what evidence are they basing that decision on?
reminds me of a video i saw recently
a very fit 175lb 5'10' male goes into a gym and proceeds to break the women's record in a couple of categories (weight lifting)
and nobody batted an eye
another random thought: misogyny and discrimination
are these valid reasons to refuse to to watch the nfl, mlb, nba, nhl and men's track and field?
why aren't trans genders allowed to compete there?
peace
Ok, enjoy but not completely sure I follow all your coffee thoughts, but...I agree, in most cases I have no problem with how an individual defines their life, being, who they have sex with, who they marry...
The transgender issue seems clearer than perhaps the issue that Mr. Wyoming pointed to, which I wasnt aware of in the boxer case, eg born with a vagina but with both chromosomes.
For the former, an individual's truth may not align with how others (competitors) define that truth. eg., you were born biologically a female, but now identify as male. Whose truth do you chose/follow? I stated what I think is appropriate. But I will admit I see that through the lens or assumption that women athletes in general are less "robust" than male.?
As for the latter which relates to the boxing case, I'm not so sure or even "smart enough" to comment.
Do we want another "category" for competition? For many cases, merging all into one doesnt seem to be the right way to go, or what the majority of athletes want.
Perhaps a more democratic approach, where the competitors are allowed a vote on the rules?
Based on the little research I've done, it doesnt seem clear what the actual issue is with the two "women" boxers (this one from Algeria and another from Taiwan who had not qualified for the world boxing championship last year). The Olympic committee has its own criteria, and they say they are "women" and have competed as "women" for many years.
ps, at a minimum, I personally believe eligibility should be based upon your birth identity.
That's the thing, the International Boxing Association won't say what test they failed or who it was performed by. The IBA president said it was a test for XY chromosomes. Last year the IOC banished the International Boxing Association (IBA), long plagued with scandal and controversy that jeopardized the future of Olympic boxing. The IOC denied IBA the right to run Olympic boxing during the Tokyo Games in 2021 and instead turned over control to an ad-hoc unit.
Three people familiar with the details of the womenâs case pointed out that the disqualifications came three days after Khelif defeated Russian Azalia Amineva and a day after she won her semifinal bout in the 63-66-kg (139-145.5-pound) category.
An article I read said it wasn't a testosterone test. It sounds like the IOC is backing away from that testing because women have varying levels of testosterone. A woman, Caster Semenya, a two-time Olympic gold medalist in track and field in 2012 and 2016, was forced to give up competing in the 400 meters because her testosterone levels were too high. She was assigned female at birth. So by your criteria she should be allowed to compete. Apparently she does have XY chromosomes.
The article also said three people familiar with the details of the womenâs case pointed out that the disqualifications came three days after Khelif defeated Russian Azalia Amineva and a day after she won her semifinal bout in the 63-66-kg (139-145.5-pound) category. The IBA president is Russian.
Note that none of this has anything to do with transgender athletes.
I don't know where I come down on any of this. We are talking grey areas and nuance. Sport rules are fundamentally arbitrary. There also may be a racial/ethnic aspect to it, too. But what are you going to do? Have woman with abnormal chromosomes compete in the special olympics?
Based on the little research I've done, it doesnt seem clear what the actual issue is with the two "women" boxers (this one from Algeria and another from Taiwan who had not qualified for the world boxing championship last year). The Olympic committee has its own criteria, and they say they are "women" and have competed as "women" for many years.
coffee thoughts:
on a personal level, who cares what an adult human says/claims? it is your life, have at it
and is this limited to gender?
why not age?
why not race?
why not species?
seems biology and gender ideology are at loggerheads, no?
we might need another category for competitive sports other than "women"
can a male mentally change gender without make-up, clothing and using a certain restroom?
if so and who makes that decision?
and why the ban on peds? aren't they literally hormones?
in competitive sports aren't they always "male dominant hormones"?
and what makes those preferred over female hormones?
what evidence are they basing that decision on?
reminds me of a video i saw recently
a very fit 175lb 5'10' male goes into a gym and proceeds to break the women's record in a couple of categories (weight lifting)
and nobody batted an eye
another random thought: misogyny and discrimination
are these valid reasons to refuse to to watch the nfl, mlb, nba, nhl and men's track and field?
why aren't trans genders allowed to compete there?
so men have been beating the h3ll out of women for eons?
nothing to see here, move on?
Based on the little research I've done, it doesnt seem clear what the actual issue is with the two "women" boxers (this one from Algeria and another from Taiwan who had not qualified for the world boxing championship last year). The Olympic committee has its own criteria, and they say they are "women" and have competed as "women" for many years.
ps, at a minimum, I personally believe eligibility should be based upon your birth identity.
