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miamizsun

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Posted: Aug 26, 2023 - 1:27pm

 islander wrote:

No one is criticizing the many talented people who work for his organizations and are serious about their efforts (well, maybe not so much the boring company*).  

But if you claim to be a genius and have armies of people online wording tirelessly to defend you all the time, at a minimum you should expect to be crosschecked.  And as is now being shown by people who are engineers, this is another bit of blather that just doesn't hold up. 

I don't really hate him. I hate what this whole situations symbolizes. He's a reasonably smart guy, who started with plenty of backing and support. He was never going to fail. That freed him up to take some chances and he got lucky and leveraged that into billions of dollars. He also took advantage of people along the way. And now he hordes so much resource, that a lot of other people who are equally smart aren't getting the chance to take a little risk because he's hording all the safety net that should be shared by all.  There are many people who could do great things in our world, but they are constrained by worrying about healthcare and feeding their family.  I doubt we can rid ourselves of all of this, but I do think we could provide a lot better base if we were willing to stop fetishizing people like Musk.

*speculation, but they certainly are not as serious as Space X. 


i personally think he probably has some issues
i just don't know everything he has said or done
i only follow the business side of his life/companies
since buying twitter and posting a lot it seems he has become the target for loads of folks who obviously disagree with what he says
fair enough, he says he will deal with the consequences and that is on him
if he sent that email i would think he sent it to his employees, specifically managers, not the general public/twitter
i remember reading a few years back he sent email to his employees/managers
something like this:

Here’s what Musk told employees on Oct. 3 and Oct. 4.

The first one was about music at work.

To: Everybody

From: Elon Musk

Date: Sunday October 3

Subj. Music in the Factory

Just wanted to say that I very much support music in the factory, as well as any little touches that make work more enjoyable.

An associate just sent me a note asking if we could have one ear bud for music so the other ear can listen for safety-related issues. That sounds fine to me.

Also, ambient music from speakers is also totally cool so long as there is reasonable agreement among your colleagues as to the music choices.

If there are other things that you think would improve your day, please let me know. I care very much that you look forward to coming to work every day!

The second one reminded everybody who the boss is.

To: Everybody

From: Elon Musk

Date: Monday October 4

Subj. Please Note

If an email is sent from me with explicit directions, there are only three actions allowed by managers.

1. Email me back to explain why what I said was incorrect. Sometimes, I’m just plain wrong!

2. Request further clarification if what I said was ambiguous.

3. Execute the directions.

If none of the above are done, that manager will be asked to resign immediately.

Thank you,

Elon






islander

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Posted: Aug 26, 2023 - 10:54am

 miamizsun wrote:





she had me at "i'm not an engineer" but she can tell...
she just knows! especially better than a cadre of material scientists and engineers!
here's an example of the type of buffoons working with tesla and spacex on this stuff!
remember any criticism, hate and mythology directed toward anything musk related is valid!

because we just know...




No one is criticizing the many talented people who work for his organizations and are serious about their efforts (well, maybe not so much the boring company*).  

But if you claim to be a genius and have armies of people online wording tirelessly to defend you all the time, at a minimum you should expect to be crosschecked.  And as is now being shown by people who are engineers, this is another bit of blather that just doesn't hold up. 


I don't really hate him. I hate what this whole situations symbolizes. He's a reasonably smart guy, who started with plenty of backing and support. He was never going to fail. That freed him up to take some chances and he got lucky and leveraged that into billions of dollars. He also took advantage of people along the way. And now he hordes so much resource, that a lot of other people who are equally smart aren't getting the chance to take a little risk because he's hording all the safety net that should be shared by all.  There are many people who could do great things in our world, but they are constrained by worrying about healthcare and feeding their family.  I doubt we can rid ourselves of all of this, but I do think we could provide a lot better base if we were willing to stop fetishizing people like Musk.

*speculation, but they certainly are not as serious as Space X. 
islander

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Posted: Aug 26, 2023 - 10:41am

 Lazy8 wrote:

They don't. not really. They are holding very tight tolerances (I've heard everything from 1 micron—bullshit—to 40 microns, and Lego won't say) but they are holding it over a several-orders-of-magnitude shorter distance. They are also working with a material with 10X the CTE of steel, so give them that.

So I tried t find some Legos to measure to see what my calipers tell me but I couldn't find a single one. Even tried walking around the house barefoot, but the kids have been gone too long.

Which means Lego has good process control and consistent materials. Nothing any good molder couldn't reporduce. But sheet metal is another animal. Steel doesn't come from the mill flat, it comes on a coil. You have to take that curvature out (curvature whose radius varies by a factor of two or more from the beginning to the end of the coil) before you even start making parts, but a steel part the size of a vehicle panel will deform much more than that depending on how you hold it.

Which isn't to say Musk is an imbecile, he's just out of his depth and talking out his ass. Apparently nobody at Tesla or SpaceX is willing to correct him, and most of his audience will just say "Whats a micron?" and be suitably impressed.



Yeah, there are dozens of reasons why Lego isn't a good benchmark for Tesla standards.  Guess I really should have checked if Lego really did hold that standard when the statement started with such a ridiculous statement.
Lazy8

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Posted: Aug 26, 2023 - 9:09am

 islander wrote:
I had to check my math to be sure I was right about how small that is. I'm really impressed Lego holds that kind of tolerance.

They don't. not really. They are holding very tight tolerances (I've heard everything from 1 micron—bullshit—to 40 microns, and Lego won't say) but they are holding it over a several-orders-of-magnitude shorter distance. They are also working with a material with 10X the CTE of steel, so give them that.

So I tried t find some Legos to measure to see what my calipers tell me but I couldn't find a single one. Even tried walking around the house barefoot, but the kids have been gone too long.

Which means Lego has good process control and consistent materials. Nothing any good molder couldn't reporduce. But sheet metal is another animal. Steel doesn't come from the mill flat, it comes on a coil. You have to take that curvature out (curvature whose radius varies by a factor of two or more from the beginning to the end of the coil) before you even start making parts, but a steel part the size of a vehicle panel will deform much more than that depending on how you hold it.

Which isn't to say Musk is an imbecile, he's just out of his depth and talking out his ass. Apparently nobody at Tesla or SpaceX is willing to correct him, and most of his audience will just say "Whats a micron?" and be suitably impressed.

miamizsun

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Posted: Aug 26, 2023 - 8:05am

 R_P wrote:






she had me at "i'm not an engineer" but she can tell...
she just knows! especially better than a cadre of material scientists and engineers!
here's an example of the type of buffoons working with tesla and spacex on this stuff!
remember any criticism, hate and mythology directed toward anything musk related is valid!

because we just know...


Red_Dragon

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Posted: Aug 25, 2023 - 8:12pm

 R_P wrote:



Yet more proof that he's a fucking idiot.
islander

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Posted: Aug 25, 2023 - 8:09pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


Funny he should mention Lego because that thing looks like it could be designed by the. A junior-high robotics team could have come up with something sweeter looking. 


I had to check my math to be sure I was right about how small that is. I'm really impressed Lego holds that kind of tolerance.  


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Posted: Aug 25, 2023 - 3:39pm

 R_P wrote:



Funny he should mention Lego because that thing looks like it could be designed by a  junior-high robotics team. 

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Posted: Aug 25, 2023 - 3:09pm


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Posted: Aug 22, 2023 - 12:00pm


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Posted: Aug 22, 2023 - 6:18am

 miamizsun wrote:
he is out of control
not only does he read every tweet/post, but he still has a plan to oppress co2
i've heard from sources he plans to go into this extreme renewable energy mode too
if we don't act now he might succeed!
please help!
 
sounds nappy to me...
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Posted: Aug 22, 2023 - 5:55am

he is out of control
not only does he read every tweet/post, but he still has a plan to oppress co2
i've heard from sources he plans to go into this extreme renewable energy mode too
if we don't act now he might succeed!
please help!
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Posted: Aug 21, 2023 - 7:09pm

Elon Musk’s Shadow Rule
How the U.S. government came to rely on the tech billionaire—and is now struggling to rein him in.
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Posted: Aug 20, 2023 - 4:31pm

 miamizsun wrote:
PR chump change from 2022 (before the 44B Twitter acquisition).

Cf.

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Posted: Aug 20, 2023 - 2:29pm

Elon Musk is literally spending million and millions trying to oppress CO2


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Posted: Aug 18, 2023 - 12:23pm

Elon Musk's X follower count bloated by millions of new, inactive accounts

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Posted: Aug 18, 2023 - 9:36am


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Posted: Aug 16, 2023 - 12:43pm

NYU Professor Locked Out of Twitter After Reportedly Declining to Meet With Adolf Musk
Scott Galloway says he was locked out of his account after Elon Musk felt the podcast had "unfairly attacked" him.
Galloway has consistently criticized Musk following his Twitter takeover, telling Huffington Post last year that Musk has a “total lack of grace” when it comes to his leadership at Twitter. “This is someone who, in my opinion, shows a bit of a God complex,” Galloway added. In yet another Threads post on Monday, Galloway appeared to voice that he would have supported Musk, had it not been for his outspoken opinions on Twitter. “Elon would have been a legend … if he hadn’t started tweeting,” Galloway wrote.

He has also commented on a Reuters investigation into Tesla vehicles’ driving range while also taking a shot at Musk’s ambitions to turn Twitter into an everything app. “Tesla intentionally gave drivers rosy driving range projections, leaving many stranded,” Galloway posted on Twitter. “BUT you should totally bank with X.” Musk clapped back on Twitter, calling Galloway an “insufferable numbskull,” and advising the best way to invest would be doing the opposite of what Galloway suggests.

Musk, who is a self-proclaimed “free speech absolutist,” has a history of punishing anyone who deigns to criticize him, most recently appearing to slow down links to news outlets and Twitter competitors on his social media platform. Both The New York Times and Reuters were targeted, showing a roughly 10-second slowdown when opening a link via Twitter, while Facebook, Threads, and Bluesky were likewise affected.

Galloway also seems to be taking a leaf out of Musk’s own playbook by challenging him to a battle in a separate Threads post. “Lord Elon,” he wrote, “After refusing to take a knee (meet), you banished me from the Twitter Hamlet—true story. I demand trial by combat! Don King has agreed to host a battle to the death before a Taylor Swift concert. If you agree, I shall get an MRI that reveals bone spurs. FREEDOM (speech)!”

sunybuny

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Posted: Aug 15, 2023 - 12:21pm

 Proclivities wrote:

That thread had to get deleted because so many Cincinnati Bearcats fans were posting objectionable stuff in there.
Too true... you should see my family reunions.


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Posted: Aug 15, 2023 - 11:00am

Elon Musk’s X is throttling traffic to news and websites he dislikes
The company formerly known as Twitter has begun slowing the speed with
which users can access links to the New York Times, Facebook and other
news organizations and online competitors, a move that appears targeted
at companies that have drawn the ire of owner Elon Musk. (...)

The delayed websites included X’s online rivals Facebook,
Instagram, Bluesky and Substack as well as the Reuters wire
service and the Times. All of them have previously been
singled out by Musk for ridicule or attack. (...)

Reuters and the Times have previously been attacked by
Musk for reporting on his businesses. Reuters recently
published an investigation that found that another Musk
company, Tesla, had “suppressed” drivers’ complaints
over overly optimistic range predictions for the company’s electric cars. (...)

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