kurtster wrote: You forgot what he did in the Middle East that no other has done in the past 40+ years.
A vaccine produced in an unbelievable short time. He cut through the stupid government crap.
Trump was a big mouthed, egotistical jerk. I didn't agree with him about the way he handled himself. BUT... he got things done. More than any other president in recent history. If he was a lot more humble... he'd be president again.
Is there peace in the mid east? No more war, drone strikes...seems the pandemic had more of an impact than anything.
Best thing he did w the vaccine was get out of the way and let the pharma mfg do their jobs. The exact opposite of how he handled the rest of the pandemic.
No major legislation except a deficit escalating tax cut.
No immigration fix, except we don't want any. No major trade deals, trade deficit continues to climb. No new energy programs, no fix of our education systems, including escalating College costs.... The list of what he didnt accomplish goes on. I'm not holding my breath for biden to fix any of this, but "he got things done more than any recent president"? give me a frigging break. How you could be so misled?
Anti War Policy Foreign Policy China Policy Iran policy Middle East Policy Immigration / Border Policy America First / Anti Globalist Policy No TPP Withdrawing from the Paris Climate Agreement - We exceeded the emissions goals without taking part Energy Policy - For the first time in more than my lifetime, we became energy independent and an exporter NATO Policy
Kurt, there is an old saying... "The only way to be a millionaire gambler is to start out as a billionaire."
What on that list did Trump actually build? The most common words in your list are withdrawal and "anti". The one accomplishment (energy) is a function of timing, not leadership. That's been in the works for a few decades.
So besides 15 miles of new wall (on a 2,000-mile border), what did he create? That's right...nothing. No healthcare plan. No prescription plan. No manufacturing. Fewer farmers. No jobs in steel. No jobs in coal. No term limits. No impact from cutting corporate taxes (unless you count the stock buy-backs that increased shareholder wealth). He built nothing.
And in the last year, when given a crisis that would have provided almost any living human being the opportunity to cement their return for 4 more years, he politicized and botched the pandemic. He wasn't a leader, he was a coward and a bully.
I saw this the other night, and not only the majority of Americans, but the world, agrees Trump is a joke. Gogglebox is a UK show that tapes the reactions of families watching TV. These aren't politicians or political people, it's just average folk reacting. I'm always amazed at how closely the rest of the world watches the US and knows our politics. I would wager heavily that more cabbies in London know the name of the Senate minority leader than people on the streets of anyplace in the US. The reactions below are funny... but also really sad.
The list above aren't accomplishments, they are Trump surrendering 80 years of effort in order to appease the frustrated, lonely, racist, and angry among us.
The Trump stuff runs about 2 and a half minutes.
NOTE: The best way to keep the Biden Lies thread active....talk about Trump.
Anti War Policy Foreign Policy China Policy Iran policy Middle East Policy Immigration / Border Policy America First / Anti Globalist Policy No TPP Withdrawing from the Paris Climate Agreement - We exceeded the emissions goals without taking part Energy Policy - For the first time in more than my lifetime, we became energy independent and an exporter NATO Policy
Kurt, there is an old saying... "The only way to be a millionaire gambler is to start out as a billionaire."
What on that list did Trump actually build? The most common words in your list are withdrawal and "anti". The one accomplishment (energy) is a function of timing, not leadership. That's been in the works for a few decades.
So besides 15 miles of new wall (on a 2,000-mile border), what did he create? That's right...nothing. No healthcare plan. No prescription plan. No manufacturing. Fewer farmers. No jobs in steel. No jobs in coal. No term limits. No impact from cutting corporate taxes (unless you count the stock buy-backs that increased shareholder wealth). He built nothing.
And in the last year, when given a crisis that would have provided almost any living human being the opportunity to cement their return for 4 more years, he politicized and botched the pandemic. He wasn't a leader, he was a coward and a bully.
I saw this the other night, and not only the majority of Americans, but the world, agrees Trump is a joke. Gogglebox is a UK show that tapes the reactions of families watching TV. These aren't politicians or political people, it's just average folk reacting. I'm always amazed at how closely the rest of the world watches the US and knows our politics. I would wager heavily that more cabbies in London know the name of the Senate minority leader than people on the streets of anyplace in the US. The reactions below are funny... but also really sad.
The list above aren't accomplishments, they are Trump surrendering 80 years of effort in order to appease the frustrated, lonely, racist, and angry among us.
The Trump stuff runs about 2 and a half minutes.
NOTE: The best way to keep the Biden Lies thread active....talk about Trump.
Anti War Policy Foreign Policy China Policy Iran policy Middle East Policy Immigration / Border Policy America First / Anti Globalist Policy No TPP Withdrawing from the Paris Climate Agreement - We exceeded the emissions goals without taking part Energy Policy - For the first time in more than my lifetime, we became energy independent and an exporter NATO Policy
well, well, finally we get to hear some policy on this thread. Most welcome.
Here's my take from my foreign perspective:
1. Anti-war policy - agreed. He didn't start any. Not sure he pursued a policy that will help peaceful reconciliation in future, but hell ok. No hot wars. Un point.
2. Foreign policy - tbh I actually don't know if he actually had one. There was the America First thing, but that is not a foreign policy, well I guess it is, just in negative form. He had some isolated policies (see next points) but no clearly defined doctrine. Rather, he weakened NATO, pissed off the closest allies, was incredibly soft on Russia and North Korea and ambivalent with China. Under his watch the defense budget reversed course and starting climbing again. The picture from Europe was simply "this guy is incredibly confused". Then talk here was "we can no longer rely on the US". If you think throwing away power and influence is a good thing, then ok...but from me, null point 2a China - you mean the trade war? ok, the US China deficit has narrowed by 100bn. if that was the stated goal, a success. un point Chinese expansionism? Uighurs? Hong Kong? Not a lot, but then that is nothing new. Most countries are pretty weak on this and China knows they need the trade null point 2b Iran policy - how on earth can you see any positives here? Iran was cooperating under the international agreement and Trump torpedoed it, opening the door for Iran to return to its nuclear weapons program. Also note the US assassinated Suleimani, one of Iran's top generals, a general who btw was radicalised by earlier US intervention in the region. Not sure if summary execution is the right way to dole out justice to chickens who come home to roost. But morals aside, what is the policy objective behind all of this? Create yet another failed state in the region? null point 2c Middle East policy .. ditto and as for Kushner's peace plan .. a take it or leave it plan that basically dictated Israeli terms I can't see how this will ever bring peace to the region. null point
3. Border policy/immigration - not for me to judge
4. America First / Anti-globalist policy. Fail. The US trade deficit has ballooned. Globalisation, not entirely sure what your angle is here but global corporations have continued to increase their market share. Top billionaires have massively increased their wealth. null point
5. No TPP.. how can you possibly be against trade deals? I thought Ricardo was basic 101 economics. Again, open to being taught differently, but I don't see the point. It's like shooting yourself in the foot. null point
6. Withdrawing from the Paris accord. If reducing emissions is a good thing, then why withdraw? Massive non sequitur. Secondly, climate change is a global issue that needs global cooperation. isolationism is not going to cut it. null point
7. Energy independence - can't give Trump credit for a technology that got rolled out before he came to power. null point 8. NATO - are you referring to his insistence that other NATO partners raise their military spending (=buy US military hardware)? Or just his general weakening of the relevance of NATO? On both counts I see major downsides for the US - military spending, if raised is likely to be domestic (France and Germany are both capable of producing some pretty good hardware). Geopolitically, Merkel, for instance sees other avenues, such as trade and a global rules-based economy as far more conducive to global peace (I agree) than military might and deterrence. All that has happened is that the other NATO powers no longer have the same faith in the US. Trump has basically trashed your political capital on this. null point.
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kurtster wrote: You forgot what he did in the Middle East that no other has done in the past 40+ years.
A vaccine produced in an unbelievable short time. He cut through the stupid government crap.
Trump was a big mouthed, egotistical jerk. I didn't agree with him about the way he handled himself. BUT... he got things done. More than any other president in recent history. If he was a lot more humble... he'd be president again.
Name a time when you "Kurster" disagreed with a Trump policy. Actually, I will make it even easier... name something anything that you disagreed withthat Trump has done. And don't cop out and tell me to backscroll to find it. I don't have the time to hunt down something that I doubt exists. If you disagreed with him on anything it should be easily recalled by you.
Y'all elected a man who was totally unprepared and demonstrably unqualified to hold the office and who has trouble walking down a handicapped ramp or holding a glass of water with one hand. No one on your side would criticize anything Trump did or didn't do because y'all have invested too much of yourselves in getting him elected. In hindsight there will never be any buyer's remorse with Trump. What is worse, you all knew this going in and still elected him because anyone was better than Hillary, right ? (Your statement edited for clarity).
it's kurtster btw not Kurtster ...
Off hand I cannot think of any policy of Trump's that I actually disagreed with.
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Not sure what I left out, but I am sure that you are against every one of them, right ?
And regarding Hillary. Yes, anything was better than Hillary. However, I voted for Trump, twice. It was not a vote against Hillary in this case. I would have also voted for Paul and maybe even Huckabee if they were the candidate. I will admit that a vote for Cruz would have been against Hillary. Thankfully this was not the case.
Now tell me that your vote was actually for Biden and not against Trump. Let's be clear on this going forward. That Biden was your candidate for who he is and what he wants to do to our country. That he was an acceptable candidate for you all along from the beginning.
The Gold Star family incident regarding the speech at the DNC Convention, if that is what you refer to, involved a man with an agenda using his son as political cannon fodder and in my opinion, denigrated his own son's memory for political expediency. He put himself out there for criticism and got what he deserved, imho.
Again, most of the various charges made here regarding Trump are taken out of context, on purpose. No one here is interested in debating context when it comes to Trump and no one is going to change anyone's mind here regarding Trump. So why should I bother wasting my time with these scurrilous charges taking on the entirety of RP ? One against everyone else ? Would you ? I doubt it. So I picked the things that I thought that I had a real chance of correcting the record and when I did, crickets or worse copy and paste with BS unfounded articles that just supported the charges made to counter my thoughts. Another reason I rarely even posted in the Trump Lies thread let alone really ever look at it to see what was going on in there.
So fault me all you want for not answering all the complaints registered here against Trump. It just goes with all the other things I have been accused of, all the isms and phobias. So what else is new, eh ?
Now the shoe is on the other foot. Biden is your ass that y'all are going to have defend going forward in the manner established during Trump's term. But fear not, they will be few and far between I'll bet, because unlike the rest of you who suffer from TDS, I have not got BDS. I'll deal with the really egregious stuff, if I even bother. Y'all elected a decrepit old man who is no more than a prop for those behind the scenes. No one on your side is going to criticize anything Biden does or does not do because y'all have invested too much of yourselves in getting him elected. There will never be any buyer's remorse with Biden going forward. What is worse, you all knew this going in and still elected him because anyone is better than Trump, right ?
Back to you.
Let me break this down for you because you have missed the point now in your two previous tangential static-filled non-responses:
Name a time when you "Kurster" disagreed with a Trump policy. Actually, I will make it even easier... name something anything that you disagreed withthat Trump has done. And don't cop out and tell me to backscroll to find it. I don't have the time to hunt down something that I doubt exists. If you disagreed with him on anything it should be easily recalled by you.
Y'all elected a man who was totally unprepared and demonstrably unqualified to hold the office and who has trouble walking down a handicapped ramp or holding a glass of water with one hand. No one on your side would criticize anything Trump did or didn't do because y'all have invested too much of yourselves in getting him elected. In hindsight there will never be any buyer's remorse with Trump. What is worse, you all knew this going in and still elected him because anyone was better than Hillary, right ? (Your statement edited for clarity).
We'll see and it will not take long to find out regarding this situation. It will also provide insight into his handling of other matters as they arise.
I'm patient. If he does the right things, I will freely admit it. Something Trump's detractors never did in the other threads to reference your other thought. The problem being is the things in his known agenda go against the things I want to see happen.
Sorry but I think you are being a bit too generous in praise of yourself.
If Biden does the right things my bet is we won’t hear very much from you. You will go dark. I don’t see any free admission of anything in the cards there. The things in his known agenda are to fix all the things that Trump f*cked up so little wonder that your agendas don’t align.
My reference to the other point was that Trump supporters rarely if ever conceded that Trump ever did anything wrong. You stood by Trump when he was doing wrong things such as denigrating Gold Star families and John McCain and calling casualties of war “suckers” and wondering about why people would choose to join the military at all. That was all OK because it was Trump being Trump.
Regarding the last paragraph. Let us remember that number one, up until around a year ago it was just me versus everyone else here on matters regarding Trump. I picked my battles. You now and in the past, fault me for not answering every charge against Trump. In the course of that I never denied and even admitted on occasion that Trump was an ass at times. Regarding the various things that your side has thrown out against Trump over the past 5 or so years, the greatest majority of them have been from snippets or sound bites taken out of context, such as his references to illegals as he came down the escalator to announce his candidacy and Charlottesville in particular. Charlottesville was totally out of context when everyone went after him for saying that there were good people on both sides. That remark was about the people involved in the debates over to remove or not remove the statues, not the crowds that were involved in the actual demonstrations that ended with the asshole running over people and killing one, IIRC. Yet that was remark was taken out of context and became a lie that was repeated enough it became truth, so much so that Biden even used it in his campaign opener, again IIRC.
The Gold Star family incident regarding the speech at the DNC Convention, if that is what you refer to, involved a man with an agenda using his son as political cannon fodder and in my opinion, denigrated his own son's memory for political expediency. He put himself out there for criticism and got what he deserved, imho.
Again, most of the various charges made here regarding Trump are taken out of context, on purpose. No one here is interested in debating context when it comes to Trump and no one is going to change anyone's mind here regarding Trump. So why should I bother wasting my time with these scurrilous charges taking on the entirety of RP ? One against everyone else ? Would you ? I doubt it. So I picked the things that I thought that I had a real chance of correcting the record and when I did, crickets or worse copy and paste with BS unfounded articles that just supported the charges made to counter my thoughts. Another reason I rarely even posted in the Trump Lies thread let alone really ever look at it to see what was going on in there.
So fault me all you want for not answering all the complaints registered here against Trump. It just goes with all the other things I have been accused of, all the isms and phobias. So what else is new, eh ?
Now the shoe is on the other foot. Biden is your ass that y'all are going to have defend going forward in the manner established during Trump's term. But fear not, they will be few and far between I'll bet, because unlike the rest of you who suffer from TDS, I have not got BDS. I'll deal with the really egregious stuff, if I even bother. Y'all elected a decrepit old man who is no more than a prop for those behind the scenes. No one on your side is going to criticize anything Biden does or does not do because y'all have invested too much of yourselves in getting him elected. There will never be any buyer's remorse with Biden going forward. What is worse, you all knew this going in and still elected him because anyone is better than Trump, right ?
We'll see and it will not take long to find out regarding this situation. It will also provide insight into his handling of other matters as they arise.
I'm patient. If he does the right things, I will freely admit it. Something Trump's detractors never did in the other threads to reference your other thought. The problem being is the things in his known agenda go against the things I want to see happen.
Sorry but I think you are being a bit too generous in praise of yourself.
If Biden does the right things my bet is we wonât hear very much from you. You will go dark. I donât see any free admission of anything in the cards there. The things in his known agenda are to fix all the things that Trump f*cked up so little wonder that your agendas donât align.
My reference to the other point was that Trump supporters rarely if ever conceded that Trump ever did anything wrong. You stood by Trump when he was doing wrong things such as denigrating Gold Star families and John McCain and calling casualties of war âsuckersâ and wondering about why people would choose to join the military at all. That was all OK because it was Trump being Trump.
My reading comprehension ? You posted your thoughts about your governor in the wrong thread. You ignored the comment in my post about Biden to deflect on Biden's behalf and instead take a shot at your governor and then get racist on top of it.
If this is such a crisis, please don't post here - email our moron governor and tell him rescinding the mask mandate is a bad idea, what with all those brown people carrying COVID into Texas...because it certainly can't be because so many white citizens are dancing in public places maskless and confronting people who *are* wearing masks.
kurtster wrote:
He's your governor, not mine. Biden is all of our's POTUS and it is his policies letting this happen, not your governor.
So I take it that you have no problem with the way Biden is handling this then. Okie dokie.
That's not at all what I said, but reading comprehension has never been your strong suit.
My reading comprehension ? You posted your thoughts about your governor in the wrong thread. You ignored the comment in my post about Biden to deflect on Biden's behalf and instead take a shot at your governor and then get racist on top of it.
kurtster I am going to give you a gift that you never gave anyone who was criticizing Trump over in the other threads. Are there things that Biden needs to address on the immigration front (some of his own making)... sure. I do think that Greyhound management has a very good point. But the difference (I believe) between Biden and Trump is that I believe that Biden will make the needed adjustments and is capable of course-correction when warranted where Trump was more inclined to double-down on his mistakes and make a poor situation worse and then ignore it altogether when he lost all interest in it. Kind of like the difference between an adult's sensibilities vs a child's.
We'll see and it will not take long to find out regarding this situation. It will also provide insight into his handling of other matters as they arise.
I'm patient. If he does the right things, I will freely admit it. Something Trump's detractors never did in the other threads to reference your other thought. The problem being is the things in his known agenda go against the things I want to see happen.
eta: Head of greyhound may have sent the message but he and you are a special kind of weird to act like you are so concerned about 108 immigrants with covid in a state that rescinded covid restrictions and has around 5,500 new cases a day.
Still say this story is fishy and that Biden's denial is just an opinion ?
Yes.
eta: Head of greyhound may have sent the message but he and you are a special kind of weird to act like you are so concerned about 108 immigrants with covid in a state that rescinded covid restrictions and has around 5,500 new cases a day.
Politics completely aside that show is an abomination to comedy. To come from such brilliant roots only to fall so far. I suppose that happens to most art especially the kind that is created for television.
I think that it originally came from people who created comedy (Harvard/National Lampoon, Groundlings, etc).
Then it became populated with people who wanted to be SNL writers and stars. Not the same drive. Not the same result.
Still say this story is fishy and that Biden's denial is just an opinion ?
Yes.
eta: Head of greyhound may have sent the message but he and you are a special kind of weird to act like you are so concerned about 108 immigrants with covid in a state that rescinded covid restrictions and has around 5,500 new cases a day.
Is ‘SNL’ soft on Biden? And why no news conference?
do people still watch SNL? and why do they matter?
Politics completely aside that show is an abomination to comedy. To come from such brilliant roots only to fall so far. I suppose that happens to most art especially the kind that is created for television.
