steeler wrote: 
I don't give a rat's ass what the posted statement is.  I saw the words come directly from Biden's mouth, in context.

 VV wrote: 
So how is your behind the scenes stuff working for you ?  We have no diplomatic nor military presence there. This is exactly the same excuse used to provide cover for Obama's foreign adventures, yet denied Trump.

It is 100% clear that Biden is beholden to the Taliban. He has admitted it, while the State department is actually blocking flights with Americans onboard from leaving there. And you're A / OK with all this.  Yep.

 kurtster wrote:

So I guess you must be privy to all things going on internally at the White House, Pentagon and all to be able to definitively say that Biden has stopped trying to get others out? Until you know that for a fact… you might want to stop posting nonsense.

kurtster wrote:

Context. This was Biden’s official statement on recovery efforts from Ida:
My message to the people of the Gulf Coast, who I’m going to visit tomorrow: We are here for you. And we’re making sure the response and recovery is equitable so that those hit hardest get the resources they need and are not left behind.

How is this a lie or broken promise?

 Lazy8 wrote: 
Hardly.  No one left behind has been the one principal that this nation has stood for since its founding.  The ultimate protection of a US citizen while traveling or a member of our military while at war.  Even the fool hardy such as a Warmbier traveling to North Korea or Bergdahl the deserter held hostage by the Taliban.

While we can not always succeed, we would never stop trying using whatever means available.  People have died trying in honoring this principal. 

Now it means nothing.  Makes citizenship rather meaningless or worthless in my opinion.  That is what I meant when I earlier said that Biden as CIC has changed America forever with just giving lip service to this principle.  Based upon reactions so far, few if any share my thoughts on this subject.  Obviously it is no more than just a rah - rah slogan to you as you state above.

 kurtster wrote:
I'm pointing out that your critique of this particular policy failure is partisan rah-rah, not a principled objection.

Unless you've had a change of heart and now sympathy for refugees is driving your politics...welcome, brother! What took you so long?

 Lazy8 wrote: 
You sole defense of Biden is whataboutism.  So in your mind Biden is not lying or making false promises with the repeated statement ?

 kurtster wrote:
Trump promised to build a big beautiful wall, and that Mexico would pay for it. Was he lying, or did he fail to keep a promise?

If Trump had a signature policy initiative it was suppressing immigration, especially denying refuge to people fleeing oppression. You nodded in agreement to this for four years. Now refuge for people fleeing oppression is a priority? Why on earth could that be?

 Lazy8 wrote: 
and your point is what in regards to this now repeated lie ?

or do you believe that I am making this up ?

 kurtster wrote:
So you now support resettling refugees?

Now Joe has the temerity to invoke "no one will be left behind" when speaking about the victims in the aftermath of Ida.  

You just gotta love his bold faced audacity.  Good old 90% Joe.

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


Yes, it really is in their interest to evacuate anyone and everyone who wants to go. They have enough headaches with a shattered economy, etc.

 VV wrote:

I assume we're talking about the Americans left behind, including schoolkids from Sacramento. My understanding is that they're Afghanis with US citizenship whose families had made the decision to live there, not here, until they wanted to live anywhere but there. Absolutely shoulda woulda got them out but the frustration on the part of the US was very evident when I heard the interview talking about them. There are around 1000? known US citizens still over there and most of them chose to not get out when there was still a chance. As much as it sucks to be them, and I understand that a forever war probably takes on a feeling of stability, but the fact remains that they chose to be in a country at war and didn't believe that the war would end or end so suddenly. IMO once it got to a certain point, their best hope for getting out safely would be after the fall, a negotiation. The Taliban needs us right now; if they continue to move those Americans out safely, that would go a long ways toward getting some cash flowing.

 kurtster wrote:
No word games. You said yourself it was a promise.
 
The big difference between the two is that Biden actually did get people out. How much of the cost of the border wall did Mexico actually pony up? If Trump got Mexico to pay for 20% of the wall then he would have achieved something and I wouldn’t call it a lie. If you make a statement that is misleading that you have no intention of following through on… I would say that’s a lie. He was talking out of his ass from the get-go on that one.

 VV wrote: 
Now who is playing word games ? 

I am sure that you yourself have cited Trump's promise to have Mexico pay towards the border wall as a lie, not a broken promise.  As has nearly everyone else here, to be fair.

 kurtster wrote:

kurtster:  Why do you support anti-Semitic terrorism?   The Arabs are Semitic peoples.

In order for Israelis to settle the West Bank, how many American lives are you willing to sacrifice?

And finally.  Why do you constantly lie?   America has not changed forever.  It is the same old, same old.

Americans love killing and taking.  Americans love killing innocent civilians.  

Do you not support the War on Terrorism because it gives you carte blanche to dehumanize, demonize and kill civilians.?

How has anything changed?

 kurtster wrote:

At best it is a broken promise... not a lie. 

America isn't forever changed by this at all though our future plans to extricate ourselves from future conflicts should be rethought. He tried and... though the book isn't yet closed on this... will most likely end up falling short when all the dust has settled.  I don't know if the book is closed yet as I don't know what may currently be happening though diplomatic channels or otherwise to try and continue to bring people out.

America is forever changed when an idiot president downplays a pandemic and politicizes it resulting in polarizing people against vaccinations and mask-wearing. Trump failed to provide the proper direction/tone/messaging/example in a crisis. How many deaths are on his head because ignorant people thought that they were following his lead by discounting science and continuing to view the pandemic as a "hoax"? Unbelievably, some profoundly stupid people still think it's a hoax. That is an example of America being changed... and I haven't even touched on the erosion of trust in elections based on unfounded lies.  

His biggest lie to date.

His promise to "leave no one behind", ever.  "We take care of our own."

Couldn't even save your Afghan guide who saved your sorry ass when your chopper was grounded on a visit there.  So I have heard.

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America has forever changed.

Thanks Joe ...

 black321 wrote:

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

What Gorbachev started never got enough traction because of a lack of law and order.
Putin provided that, but, as you say, at a great cost to the nation.