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Posted: Apr 17, 2021 - 10:57pm

sirdroseph wrote:

Unsatisfactory answer when you see the conditions and circumstances of the refugees and immigrants at the border where they came from and the logistics of their travels and protocols. You cannot tell me that tourist who are almost all upper income (I sure as hell cannot afford to travel internationally) have the resources and education to be able to properly social distance, be tested, get vaccinated and so forth and are subject to these strict protocols of air travel present anywhere near the danger to the general public as refugees. You are a smart person, I don't believe you think there is not a difference intellectually. How would you explain to all of those people that have sacrificed their entire livelihoods and business at the altar of public safety why these refugees should be allowed to freely enter the country in these times. Should we start a movement of American Lives Matter with the full commitment of advocacy and support of all ethnicities, religions, sexuality and gender with the only criteria being an American citizen? American citizens are getting the short stick in all of this no matter how you want to paint it.


KurtfromLaQuinta wrote:
A well put statement.
Where I live... almost all the infections and deaths from Covid in this area came from people travailing back and forth to Mexicali to visit family.
My wife's teachers aid got it and brought it back. She died a couple of weeks from returning visiting family. She past it on to her family members here where they contacted it and almost died.
Another close friend went down there. She didn't "get it". But it looks like she gave it to her two adult children and husband and her sister in law and husband. Thankfully they survived. Her two brothers, one sister and a couple of cousins died in Mexicali.
It was running rampant across the border.






"Where I live... almost all the infections and deaths from Covid in this area came from people travailing back and forth to Mexicali to visit family."

KurtfromLaQuinta, with all due respect, how you determine this? Covid is so prevalent in this country that contact tracing is useless. 

I'd agree with you that massing of refugees at the border in conditions that likely don't allow for sufficiently safe social distancing creates a risk of increased transmission. And during the Trump administration, ICE was—-big surprise!—lax in vaccinating detainees and preventing the spread of Covid:

This is an excerpt from a January 12, 2021 op-ed

Targeted vaccination efforts are essential in prisons and jails, where 90 of the 100 largest Covid-19 cluster outbreaks in the United States have occurred.

The spread of Covid-19 in ICE detention centers has also been rampant. On average, the monthly rate of cases in detention was 13.4 times higher than in the general population during the first five months of the pandemic. Yet ICE has been lax in implementing Covid-19 public health measures to protect detainees.

In collaboration with Physicians for Human Rights, we recently interviewed 50 formerly detained individuals. In this evaluation, published Jan. 12, those interviewed explained how ICE failed to comply with its own Covid-19 pandemic response requirements in at least 22 of its facilities — often denying detainees consistent access to soap, masks, and proper symptom-based testing and isolation.


This piece from the New England Journal of Medicine finds the same problems

Under the Trump administration, migrant detention centers became hot spots for infectious diseases, experiencing numerous outbreaks of influenza, measles, and mumps. Investigations into the deaths from influenza of several migrant children have revealed gross negligence in medical monitoring and a disturbing lack of expertise among people providing care to ill detainees.1 Such outcomes are unsurprising, given that detainees are held in crowded living conditions with inadequate sanitation and a limited capacity for isolation. In 2019, Customs and Border Protection (CBP) rejected a federal recommendation to vaccinate migrants against influenza, citing “logistic difficulties.”2

Although the Covid-19 pandemic has disproportionately affected migrant detainees, the U.S. government has refused to follow Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) infection-evaluation guidelines or to provide for adequate social distancing in detainment centers.3 This nonadherence has resulted in extraordinarily high SARS-CoV-2 testing positivity rates in Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) detainment facilities, which at times have exceeded 50%. By the end of August 2020, there had been more than 5000 known cases of Covid-19 in ICE detention centers.4

Fortunately the Biden administration seems committed to providing full access to vaccinations for undocumented immigrants. 

https://www.reuters.com/articl...


islander

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Posted: Apr 17, 2021 - 9:39pm

 sirdroseph wrote:


Unsatisfactory answer when you see the conditions and circumstances of the refugees and immigrants at the border where  they came from and the logistics of their travels and protocols.  You cannot tell me that tourist who are almost all upper income (I sure as hell  cannot afford to travel internationally) have the resources and education to be able to properly social distance, be tested, get vaccinated and so forth and are subject to these strict protocols of air travel present anywhere near the danger to the general public as refugees.   You are a smart person, I don't believe you think there is not a difference intellectually.   How would you explain to all of those people that have sacrificed their entire livelihoods and business at the altar of public safety why these refugees should be allowed to freely enter the country in these times.   Should we start a movement of American Lives Matter with the full commitment of advocacy and support of all ethnicities, religions, sexuality and gender with the only criteria being an American citizen?   American citizens are getting the short stick in all of this no matter how you want to paint it.
 
 
 
 


Are we also going to do something about all those tecas rangers fans who went to opening day?  
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Posted: Apr 17, 2021 - 2:01pm

 sirdroseph wrote:


Unsatisfactory answer when you see the conditions and circumstances of the refugees and immigrants at the border where  they came from and the logistics of their travels and protocols.  You cannot tell me that tourist who are almost all upper income (I sure as hell  cannot afford to travel internationally) have the resources and education to be able to properly social distance, be tested, get vaccinated and so forth and are subject to these strict protocols of air travel present anywhere near the danger to the general public as refugees.   You are a smart person, I don't believe you think there is not a difference intellectually.   How would you explain to all of those people that have sacrificed their entire livelihoods and business at the altar of public safety why these refugees should be allowed to freely enter the country in these times.   Should we start a movement of American Lives Matter with the full commitment of advocacy and support of all ethnicities, religions, sexuality and gender with the only criteria being an American citizen?   American citizens are getting the short stick in all of this no matter how you want to paint it.
 
 
 
 
A well put statement.
Where I live... almost all the infections and deaths from Covid in this area came from people travailing back and forth to Mexicali to visit family.
My wife's teachers aid got it and brought it back. She died a couple of weeks from returning visiting family. She past it on to her family members here where they contacted it and almost died.
Another close friend went down there. She didn't "get it". But it looks like she gave it to her two adult children and husband and her sister in law and husband. Thankfully they survived. Her two brothers, one sister and a couple of cousins died in Mexicali.
It was running rampant across the border.




R_P

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Posted: Apr 17, 2021 - 11:41am

“here comes incurable diseases, fentanyl, MS-13 gangs.”
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Posted: Apr 17, 2021 - 10:53am

 Lazy8 wrote:

Why would a refugee be any different from a tourist coming home from vacation in that regard?

Unsatisfactory answer when you see the conditions and circumstances of the refugees and immigrants at the border where  they came from and the logistics of their travels and protocols.  You cannot tell me that tourist who are almost all upper income (I sure as hell  cannot afford to travel internationally) have the resources and education to be able to properly social distance, be tested, get vaccinated and so forth and are subject to these strict protocols of air travel present anywhere near the danger to the general public as refugees.   You are a smart person, I don't believe you think there is not a difference intellectually.   How would you explain to all of those people that have sacrificed their entire livelihoods and business at the altar of public safety why these refugees should be allowed to freely enter the country in these times.   Should we start a movement of American Lives Matter with the full commitment of advocacy and support of all ethnicities, religions, sexuality and gender with the only criteria being an American citizen?   American citizens are getting the short stick in all of this no matter how you want to paint it.
 
 
 
 
Lazy8

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Posted: Apr 17, 2021 - 9:44am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
Kind of refreshing TBH.

Just make sure your humanitarian crisis has a good press agent.

I'm dismayed that the fates of vulnerable people wasn't enough to drive the decision, but political heat was. If we needed a window into what public policy is about...this was it.

ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Apr 17, 2021 - 9:01am

 Lazy8 wrote:
Now, a media backlash...gotta take that seriously.


Kind of refreshing TBH.
Lazy8

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Posted: Apr 17, 2021 - 8:23am

 sirdroseph wrote:
Serious question here, not trying to score points or gotcha or any of that bullshit, but seriously.   How does all of this reconcile with covid concerns?

Why would a refugee be any different from a tourist coming home from vacation in that regard?
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Posted: Apr 17, 2021 - 1:44am

 Lazy8 wrote:
 R_P wrote: The one thing I actually had hope for in this administration. The earlier foot-dragging was already causing grief for people rotting in camps, but this is a low blow. The NGOs responsible for resettlement were staffing up in anticipation of the new quotas, and now they can't pay for any of that. Edit—
Now this:
After backlash, Biden will increase the limit on refugee admissions.
Earlier on Friday, the administration had said it would keep the level at 15,000, but it later reversed course and said it would increase the cap next month.

¯_(ツ)_/¯
Oh well, it's not like people's lives depend on this stuff or anything. Now, a media backlash...gotta take that seriously.
 
Serious question here, not trying to score points or gotcha or any of that bullshit, but seriously.   How does all of this reconcile with covid concerns?
R_P

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Posted: Apr 16, 2021 - 9:40pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
The one thing I actually had hope for in this administration.

The earlier foot-dragging was already causing grief for people rotting in camps, but this is a low blow. The NGOs responsible for resettlement were staffing up in anticipation of the new quotas, and now they can't pay for any of that.

Edit—
Now this:
After backlash, Biden will increase the limit on refugee admissions.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Oh well, it's not like people's lives depend on this stuff or anything. Now, a media backlash...gotta take that seriously.

The media is always a willing conduit for politics:
But that announcement drew immediate criticism from Democratic leaders. In a statement, Senator Dick Durbin, Democrat of Illinois and the majority whip, called the administration’s admissions target “unacceptable.”

“Facing the greatest refugee crisis in our time, there is no reason to limit the number to 15,000,” Mr. Durbin said. “Say it ain’t so, President Joe.”
"What we have here is a failure to communicate."
KurtfromLaQuinta

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Posted: Apr 16, 2021 - 9:22pm

 Lazy8 wrote:


The one thing I actually had hope for in this administration.

The earlier foot-dragging was already causing grief for people rotting in camps, but this is a low blow. The NGOs responsible for resettlement were staffing up in anticipation of the new quotas, and now they can't pay for any of that.

Edit—
Now this:
After backlash, Biden will increase the limit on refugee admissions.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Oh well, it's not like people's lives depend on this stuff or anything. Now, a media backlash...gotta take that seriously.



And they called Bill Clinton a waffle.  
Lazy8

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Posted: Apr 16, 2021 - 1:57pm

 R_P wrote:

The one thing I actually had hope for in this administration.

The earlier foot-dragging was already causing grief for people rotting in camps, but this is a low blow. The NGOs responsible for resettlement were staffing up in anticipation of the new quotas, and now they can't pay for any of that.

Edit—
Now this:
After backlash, Biden will increase the limit on refugee admissions.
Earlier on Friday, the administration had said it would keep the level at 15,000, but it later reversed course and said it would increase the cap next month.

¯_(ツ)_/¯
Oh well, it's not like people's lives depend on this stuff or anything. Now, a media backlash...gotta take that seriously.

R_P

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Posted: Apr 16, 2021 - 1:25pm

Biden will keep Trump’s historically low limit on refugee admissions.
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Posted: Mar 28, 2021 - 3:13pm

Oh golly. Just as expected.  Complete & total avoidance of the inherent root issues as pointed out by myself & kurtster.  Instead, you fell right into the trap of QAnon, as gaslit for you by the unreliable MSM and your lying liar Dem leaders.

You fine people just can't help yourselves.  Little or no demonstrable efforts at self-reflection.

You'll continue to deliberately scare away anyone with a different opinion than yours, because it's what you do.  After all, they are all worthless nasty trolls, amiright?

Completely incapable of seeking out contrary opinion, and then rejecting it outright when it is shoved before you.  Such fine people.

Today's example (because you're clueless on HR1, apparently) :  find me ANY mention here of QAnon.

(also, you clowns are so invested in refuting anything that doesn't fit your narrative, that you're way, way behind in discussing the world of news as it spins by you.  Last night's example - the two teens girls who carjacked and caused the death of a 66yo immigrant Uber Eats driver ... in DC !  There's also an internal migration out of blue states  like Cali going on, and you fine folks offer crickets...  b/c DOESN'T FIT THE NARRATIVE, amiright?)

Or how about this one: Hunter Biden's gun is thrown in the trash by the wife of Hunter's dead brother (also Hunter's gf!) and then the FBI go to the gun shop that sold the gun to remove all records that might trace the gun back to Hunter!  For Hunter to even get the gun, he had to lie multiple times on the application - all federal offences.  But yeah, let's talk about QAnon.  You fine people are pathetic.


kcar

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Posted: Mar 28, 2021 - 2:52pm



 KurtfromLaQuinta wrote:

 
I know you are.. but what am I? 


 


KurtfromLaQuinta

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Posted: Mar 28, 2021 - 2:07pm



 kcar wrote:


 KurtfromLaQuinta wrote:


 kcar wrote:


 KarmaKarma wrote:
 

Why TF should I read anything by that nutjob Allen West. 
 There's lots and lots of nutjobs on both sides.
Most politicians are... politicians.

And I'm glad I quit referring with swear words in Jr. High when I realized how immature it was.
 

"And I'm glad I quit referring with swear words in Jr. High when I realized how immature it was."

We are soso glad for you. You give me an address and I will surely mail you a medal. 

Allen West is still a nutjob. 
 
I know you are.. but what am I? 


kcar

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Posted: Mar 26, 2021 - 11:14pm



 Steely_D wrote:


 kcar wrote:


 

Why TF should I read anything by that nutjob Allen West. 
 

Why TF do people keep engaging with KK? They have literally never offered anything pleasant or constructive to the RP environment.
 

You're right. Point taken. 
kcar

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Posted: Mar 26, 2021 - 11:11pm



 KurtfromLaQuinta wrote:


 kcar wrote:


 KarmaKarma wrote:
 

Why TF should I read anything by that nutjob Allen West. 
 There's lots and lots of nutjobs on both sides.
Most politicians are... politicians.

And I'm glad I quit referring with swear words in Jr. High when I realized how immature it was.
 

"And I'm glad I quit referring with swear words in Jr. High when I realized how immature it was."

We are soso glad for you. You give me an address and I will surely mail you a medal. 

Allen West is still a nutjob. 
KurtfromLaQuinta

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Posted: Mar 26, 2021 - 9:18pm



 kcar wrote:


 KarmaKarma wrote:
 

Why TF should I read anything by that nutjob Allen West. 
 There's lots and lots of nutjobs on both sides.
Most politicians are... politicians.

And I'm glad I quit referring with swear words in Jr. High when I realized how immature it was.
Steely_D

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Posted: Mar 26, 2021 - 8:48pm



 kcar wrote:


 

Why TF should I read anything by that nutjob Allen West. 
 

Why TF do people keep engaging with KK? They have literally never offered anything pleasant or constructive to the RP environment.
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