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rgio

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Posted: Jan 22, 2025 - 8:36am

 black321 wrote:
For the swing voter, like the one in the video. the key issue where the dems lost was the border/homelessness/crime. They first denied it was an issue, and then did little to address it. And of course, f'ing up the primaries did not help.

I agree that denial of the issues was a major problem, especially when combined with the non-stop association of blame that Republicans have mastered and Democrats are just "too smart" or "too nice" to respond in kind.

Immigrants are taking your jobs!  You're unsafe because of immigrants!  Joe Biden has destroyed the economy!  You can't afford groceries because of Biden!  Gas prices are high because Biden stopped all drilling!

None of this is factually true, but if you're unhappy with the price of things, and only one side is providing reasons... sooner or later you begin to believe them.

As crazy as it sounds.... Bidenomics (a horrible name) actually worked.  The facts don't lie....

Strong Economic Growth: GDP grew by more than any other developed country.
Low Unemployment: The unemployment rate has remained below 4% for 27 consecutive months, the longest stretch since the 1960s.
Job Creation: The economy has added more than 13 million jobs, including nearly 800,000 manufacturing jobs.
Wage Growth: Wages for lower-income workers rose 7.8% from early 2020 to mid-2023, reducing inequality.
Inflation Reduction: Inflation has fallen for 11 straight months and has come down by more than half.
Manufacturing Boom: Inflation-adjusted manufacturing construction spending has grown by nearly 100% in just two years.
Clean Energy Job Growth: The clean energy workforce added nearly 300,000 jobs in 2022 alone, with growth in every state.
Record Business Formation: There were more than 10 million applications for new small businesses filed in 2021 and 2022, the strongest two years on record.
Poverty Reduction: The poverty rate fell in 2020 and 2021, reaching the lowest level ever recorded.
Expanded Healthcare Coverage: The number of uninsured Americans hit an all-time low of 7.2%.
    Yet Americans didn't think that was the case, including lots of Democrats.  They felt like the economy was in the tank.  It's not.  To compound the problem, they voted for someone who told them that he was going to raise prices... yet they didn't hear him say that.  He was going to punish China... yet all he's done so far is give the CCP extended access to your data?  Wasn't the Ukraine war supposed to end on Tuesday?  Project 2025...never heard of it... but so far chapters 4-15 have provided some great outlines for executive orders.

    America is the guy who leaves his wife and family because he got a text message from an 18 year-old saying he was smoking hot and she wanted to have dirty sex with him in her sorority house, only to find out the text was from a 38 year old gaming dude looking to sell his PII in a dark chatroom.  Even when they find out...they don't tell anyone how stupid they were.

    The hierarchy of needs is a reasonable way to consider the election, but the inability for people to evaluate reality and understand cause and effect are the real problems.  Voting for someone who says what you want to hear is only a good idea if they do what they say. The 1/3rd of the country that voted for Trump don't care and want to blame someone for their inability to make more money while everyone else charges them less.
    islander

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    Posted: Jan 22, 2025 - 8:26am

     miamizsun wrote:


    coffee thoughts
    < snip >
    not everyone you disagree with is a wanna be member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party
    or the fascist fan club for the resurrection/cloning of Mussolini



    Does it matter? There was a clear choice and a path was chosen. I will not likely be surprised by what comes, and while it makes me a little sad, it won't elicit much sympathy. 

    We could have chosen Star Trek, but we picked Blade Runner instead. In no small part because the characters looked more 'familiar'/ less 'scary'.  
    I'm not sure why, but people apparently wanted ants.

    black321

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    Posted: Jan 22, 2025 - 6:44am

     miamizsun wrote:


    coffee thoughts
    is this controversial?

    after speed browsing, this is one video i think i could generally agree with
    aren't asians in the usa uniquely qualified to experience extremism?
    especially discrimination/selective bias in education?
    the silly war on punishing learning and intelligence is a losing proposition
    the whole election post mortem is all over the place
    however this could explain the "not voting for, but voting against" observation

    not everyone you disagree with is a wanna be member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party
    or the fascist fan club for the resurrection/cloning of Mussolini
    of course this begs the question
    will the current people in office be able to improve their situation?
    it is possible, but i'm doubtful/skeptical




    Hmm, isn’t the work hard attitude the GOP mantra? And not that 99% of americans are actually struggling, especially relative to global/historical standards…see this story about Sudanese refugees: 'A living hell': Sudanese women face rape and abuse in Libya https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp3w16k0n7wo




    For the swing voter, like the one in the video. the key issue where the dems lost was the border/homelessness/crime. They first denied it was an issue, and then did little to address it. And of course, f'ing up the primaries did not help.



    ColdMiser

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    Posted: Jan 22, 2025 - 6:22am

     miamizsun wrote:


    coffee thoughts
    is this controversial?

    after speed browsing, this is one video i think i could generally agree with
    aren't asians in the usa uniquely qualified to experience extremism?
    especially discrimination/selective bias in education?
    the silly war on punishing learning and intelligence is a losing proposition
    the whole election post mortem is all over the place
    however this could explain the "not voting for, but voting against" observation

    not everyone you disagree with is a wanna be member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party
    or the fascist fan club for the resurrection/cloning of Mussolini
    of course this begs the question
    will the current people in office be able to improve their situation?
    it is possible, but i'm doubtful/skeptical



    I already had my coffee but still have some thoughts. 
    I think most of what she says is spot on. Though I do recall many of the Harris/Waltz rallies etc speaking to kitchen table issues. Trump and the Republicans were successful in convincing people that they only cared about pro-nouns. Democrats are for "them", Republicans are for "you"
    The politics of disorder were evident in this election, with the Red team pointing to the Chaos at the Border, Homelessness in Blue cities etc. Dems barely played defense on these issues when they should have taken some shots on net. Hey how about Red cities? Crime in Florida, Alabama etc. How many of these illegals are working in Trump properties, Mowing Tommy Tubervilles lawn. 
    What the Dems need to focus on going forward are these kitchen table issues. Housing expensive? What are the Republican doing about it? Nothing. Health Care? Luigi is doing more for Americans on Health Care than Trump. Why aren't the price of eggs going down? Make the Republican OWN the problems now. Point out over and over and over again that Republicans FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT for the Rich and their tax cuts, not for YOU!
    Aside from Bernie Sanders and AOC I don't see any Democrats carrying the torch to your average working Joe. Time for some leadership changes and a better fighting spirit. 
    I think I may need another cup of coffee after that rant. 

    miamizsun

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    Posted: Jan 22, 2025 - 5:30am

     sirdroseph wrote:

    Boy I have never seen a more appropriate venue than here to drop this: 




    coffee thoughts
    is this controversial?

    after speed browsing, this is one video i think i could generally agree with
    aren't asians in the usa uniquely qualified to experience extremism?
    especially discrimination/selective bias in education?
    the silly war on punishing learning and intelligence is a losing proposition
    the whole election post mortem is all over the place
    however this could explain the "not voting for, but voting against" observation

    not everyone you disagree with is a wanna be member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party
    or the fascist fan club for the resurrection/cloning of Mussolini
    of course this begs the question
    will the current people in office be able to improve their situation?
    it is possible, but i'm doubtful/skeptical


    Red_Dragon

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    Posted: Nov 18, 2024 - 12:08pm

    Duty to Warn Letter - to VP Harris - Re: Election 2024
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    Posted: Nov 14, 2024 - 8:17pm

    2024 Election was the Oligarchic Elite vs. Corporate Elite (w/ Chris Hedges)

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    Posted: Nov 14, 2024 - 6:53pm


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    Posted: Nov 12, 2024 - 6:59pm


    ScottFromWyoming

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    Posted: Nov 12, 2024 - 3:36pm

     Beaker wrote:


    I question the design.  That skinny-ass wire from the crystals would deliver a hell of a lot more vote-changing signal if it were instead a properly shielded cable.


    gold-plated tips?
    Beaker

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    Posted: Nov 12, 2024 - 3:05pm

     ScottFromWyoming wrote:


    Who they callin' a rube?


    You'll have to join Xitter and buy a premium subscription to find out!  
    (omg, It's a real community note!  lol! I just voted on it.  )


    ScottFromWyoming

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    Posted: Nov 12, 2024 - 3:03pm

     Beaker wrote:





    Who they callin' a rube?
    Beaker

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    Posted: Nov 12, 2024 - 2:47pm

     Beaker wrote:
    Damn.  The sekrit is out.




    Beaker

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    Posted: Nov 12, 2024 - 2:38pm

     ScottFromWyoming wrote:


    Elon's such an —— you're supposed to grind the crystals and put them wherever they sell chai. They're homeopathic so you only need one, really, just set it on the windowsill of the coffeehouse and it will radiate——oh I get it now. Good job.


    I question the design.  That skinny-ass wire from the crystals would deliver a hell of a lot more vote-changing signal if it were instead a properly shielded cable.
    ScottFromWyoming

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    Posted: Nov 12, 2024 - 2:31pm

     Beaker wrote:
    Damn.  The sekrit is out.



    Elon's such an —— you're supposed to grind the crystals and put them wherever they sell chai. They're homeopathic so you only need one, really, just set it on the windowsill of the coffeehouse and it will radiate——oh I get it now. Good job.
    Beaker

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    Posted: Nov 12, 2024 - 2:23pm

    Damn.  The sekrit is out.

    black321

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    Posted: Nov 12, 2024 - 12:01pm

     R_P wrote:

    The usual partisan role reversal. MAGAs will go back to denial, while liberals rediscover government criticism.



    that's the game people loooovvvee to play
    R_P

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    Posted: Nov 12, 2024 - 11:10am

    The usual partisan role reversal. MAGAs will go back to denial, while liberals rediscover government criticism.
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    Posted: Nov 11, 2024 - 5:09pm

     kurtster wrote:

    And if I'm not mistaken her campaign is now in debt $20 million in addition to what you mentioned.

    I'm channeling Bugs Bunny right now ...


    Yeah, I'd say you're the sucker all right. Good luck with getting health care from Trump's "concept of a plan" as well as his announced cuts to Medicare and Social Security. 
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