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Posted: Jul 6, 2020 - 9:33pm



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How 'bout that Google thingy! Yes, the Black Lives Matter mural was painted with the permission and cooperation of the city government of Martinez, CA. 


Police Seek 2 White People Who Were Seen Vandalizing Black Lives Matter Mural


The police in Martinez, Calif., said on Sunday that they were seeking two white people who were seen vandalizing a Black Lives Matter mural less than an hour after it was painted in front of a local courthouse on Saturday.

“The community spent a considerable amount of time putting the mural together only to have it painted over in a hateful and senseless manner,” Chief Manjit Sappal of the Martinez Police Department said in a statement. “The city of Martinez values tolerance, and the damage to the mural was divisive and hurtful.”

Videos posted on social media show a white woman using a roller with black paint to cover the letters B and L in “Black Lives Matter,” while a white man records onlookers yelling for them to stop.

The mural, in yellow paint in the middle of a city street, spelled out “Black Lives Matter” in capital letters.

...

The man, who can be seen in a video wearing a red cap and a red shirt that reads “Trump” and “Four More Years,” can be heard saying: “We’re sick of this narrative” and “The narrative of police brutality, the narrative of oppression, the narrative of racism. It’s a lie. It’s a lie.”

...

The mural was painted on a one-block stretch of Court Street in Martinez, which is about 35 miles northeast of San Francisco. The city selected the location after Mr. Gomez, the lead organizer for Martizians for Black Lives, asked the city for permission to paint the message, he said.

“We asked to do it on our city’s main street,” Mr. Gomez said. The city, he said, offered the street in front of the Wakefield Taylor Courthouse instead.


“We immediately agreed to it,” he said, “and I feel it was a more powerful statement than what we had initially proposed.”

Mr. Gomez and local residents started painting the mural at 7 a.m. on Saturday; by 2:30 p.m., with the paint still drying, he left.

By 3 p.m., Mr. Gomez said, he received messages saying the mural was being vandalized.

Mr. Gomez said that the mural had since been restored and that supporters were “maintaining a presence” to prevent further damage.


From CNN: 


By the time police arrived at the scene, the man and the woman were gone, police said. Police are looking for a Nissan pickup truck with the word "NICOLE" painted in silver, which was provided by a witness. The man approached the vehicle while the video was being filmed.The case is being investigated and police are asking the public's help in identifying the man and the woman seen in the video."The community spent a considerable amount of time putting the mural together only to have it painted over in a hateful and senseless manner," Chief Sappal said. "The City of Martinez values tolerance and the damage to the mural was divisive and hurtful."
    The mural was repainted after the incident, according to CNN affiliate KPIX. The area was blocked off and the mural was surrounded by chalk images, as of Sunday afternoon, KPIX reported.In an unrelated incident Sunday, a man was arrested for shouting "all lives matter" and pulling a gun on a young man looking at the same Black Lives Matter mural, according to CNN affiliate KGO.


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    Posted: Jul 6, 2020 - 7:48pm

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    Kurt...sorry if I don't follow.

    Assuming that the city approved the painting of the street, are you supporting someone unilaterally deciding to paint over it?  Do you assume / know that someone painted it without approval?

     
    It was sarcasm directed at my friend and his motives.  I don't know where the video was taken so I don't know anything about any of it.  If it was put there with city approval, then the couple can be arrested.  And they should be arrested if that is the case.  If not, then who knows.  You seem to be willing to assume that the city approved the street painting. Why ?  What insight do you have ?  Me, just by looking at how the B is painted over the STOP on the street at the limit line has me inclined to think that it was done without anyone's approval.  If it was approved and supervised the traffic marking would not have been painted over.

    It is hard to tell what is approved and what is not.  Such as who knew that the City of Seattle would actually approve the repeated closure of an Interstate, and not just any Interstate, it was I-5, the main road from border to border on the west coast.  Same as I-95 is in the east.  And now we have dead people as a direct result of the actions by the City of Seattle.  On the Interstate and in the CHAZ or CHOP depending on your preferences.

    Nothing is making any sense anywhere, anymore.  We have real anarchy.

    For extra credit :  Is all this yellow paint being put down on the city streets for these BLM markings approved safety paint for use on the street ?  I hope so because if not, when it gets wet or snow covered, cars are going to lose traction when braking and people are going to get run over by out of control vehicles unable to stop because of the slippery paint.  But of course, virtue signaling comes ahead of public safety, right ?

    For extra, extra credit :  Did you know that yellow is one of the more expensive colors of paint to make because of the pigments needed ?  That is one reason you have seen the trend where government work vehicles and things like Ryder trucks are now painted white instead of yellow.
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    Posted: Jul 6, 2020 - 6:45pm

    They all look sound alike...
    “The man, who was wearing a red shirt that read “Trump Four More Years,” said they were tired of “the narrative of oppression.”

    “There is no oppression, there is no racism,” the man said, while holding his phone up. “It’s a leftist lie. It’s a lie from the media, the liberal left.”

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    Posted: Jul 6, 2020 - 6:22pm



     kurtster wrote:
     
    I bet they were arrested for defacing graffiti ... 

    What happened to your av ?  You look burnt out.

    You need to get to a doc, STAT ... 
    {#Mrgreen}
     
    Kurt...sorry if I don't follow.

    Assuming that the city approved the painting of the street, are you supporting someone unilaterally deciding to paint over it?  Do you assume / know that someone painted it without approval?

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    Posted: Jul 6, 2020 - 5:34pm

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    I bet they were arrested for defacing graffiti ... 

    What happened to your av ?  You look burnt out.

    You need to get to a doc, STAT ... {#Mrgreen}
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    Posted: Jul 6, 2020 - 12:14pm


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    Posted: Jul 5, 2020 - 11:09pm

     Steely_D wrote:


     Red_Dragon wrote:
    italics mine
    This is not like Charlottesville where someone deliberately went after a group of protesters on a street trying to cause harm. At this point in time I would have a hard time thinking that the driver in Seattle saw these people while going the other way, got off at the next exit and got back on to go run over some people. It is possible though. That would be appalling at all levels if that was the case. I do believe that a split second decision was involved, one way or the other.
     

    The road was CLOSED. This was deliberate. The person is a goddam murderer.
     

    Correct. I don't think that protestors should block the freeway, but this is what happened:

    Dawit Kelete of Seattle drove the car around vehicles that were blocking I-5 and sped into the crowd about 1:40 a.m., according to a police report released by the Washington State Patrol. Video taken at the scene by protesters showed people shouting "Car! Car!" before fleeing the roadway.


    That's intention, which is homicide. And, kurtster, I agree with you - it's appalling at all levels.
     
    So the police closed the Interstate and allowed the protesters to be there.  The driver went around police cars blocking the ramp he got on at and then drove down to where the protesters were ?  Is that what happened ?  Why did the police allow him to get on the freeway then and not chase him after he broke through their barrier ?

    I did some searching and have yet to find out how exactly the police closed down the Interstate to traffic.  That information seems to be missing.

    But if the police allowed the protesters on the freeway, then the police department is directly responsible for not protecting the protesters and allowing this to happen.

    I did find some stuff about the driver and his victims though ... I will be following up on this one to see where it goes.  It does seem to be a deliberate act on the driver's part.

    Ironic.  Black man murders white Black Lives Matters protesters.  Hate crime as well.

    Dawit Kelete Accused of Running Over Seattle Protesters
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    Posted: Jul 5, 2020 - 4:41pm



     Red_Dragon wrote:
    italics mine
    This is not like Charlottesville where someone deliberately went after a group of protesters on a street trying to cause harm. At this point in time I would have a hard time thinking that the driver in Seattle saw these people while going the other way, got off at the next exit and got back on to go run over some people. It is possible though. That would be appalling at all levels if that was the case. I do believe that a split second decision was involved, one way or the other.
     

    The road was CLOSED. This was deliberate. The person is a goddam murderer.
     

    Correct. I don't think that protestors should block the freeway, but this is what happened:

    Dawit Kelete of Seattle drove the car around vehicles that were blocking I-5 and sped into the crowd about 1:40 a.m., according to a police report released by the Washington State Patrol. Video taken at the scene by protesters showed people shouting "Car! Car!" before fleeing the roadway.


    That's intention, which is homicide. And, kurtster, I agree with you - it's appalling at all levels.
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    Posted: Jul 5, 2020 - 4:05pm



     kurtster wrote:
    This has been bothering me an awful lot since I first became aware of it ...

    The incident on the Seattle freeway that was blocked by protesters and a motorist running into two of them, one of which has since died.

    I have seen the video several times.

    I do not know or claim to know what was in the mind of any of those involved, but it is time to talk about theses things because this is going to become more common as the days pass.

    So these protesters are pissed off enough to walk onto an Interstate highway after midnight wearing dark clothing, block it with vehicles and bodily occupy the adjoining lanes.

    Do they also expect that they will not be hit by passing cars ?  More importantly, do they expect a right not to be run over ?

    So what about a passing driver ?  What expectations and what rights do they have when lawfully operating a motor vehicle on a Federal Interstate highway ?

    There are two possible scenarios with the driver.  Either he didn't see them in time to react and was fearful for his life or was he just as pissed off as the protesters and decided to teach them a lesson or two ?

    Personally, back in the 70's and 80's as a route driver in a tough town, I long ago made the conclusion that if I ever got in a situation where pedestrians deliberately blocked my passage or tried to surround my vehicle, somebody was going to get run over.  I was not going to find out what was in the minds of these people.  Of course I would head to a cop shop immediately and report it, not flee and hide.  Back then, the Cleveland Police told people that were traveling in certain neighborhoods in the wee hours of the morning to treat a red light like a stop sign and keep moving.  But I have already thought about the scenario in Seattle many, many times over the years just being a professional driver.  That is why this is bothering me so much.

    Now we have anarchy in this city (Seattle and now others) and the police are no longer part of the equation when it comes to a mob vs. someone in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    So does being pissed off to a certain degree give someone the right to break the law and expect no harm or consequences in so doing ?  Finally, someone got crushed by a statue they were pulling down.  Too bad, so sad.

    But this is different.  Unless the driver in Seattle was pissed off enough to run over protesters was instead confronted with a life threatening situation and had to make an immediate decision, him or them ?  My sympathy lies with the driver.  The protesters broke the law just being on an Interstate as pedestrians.  They then created a life threatening hazard with a barricade in the middle of an Interstate Highway, that not only being hidden in the dark, gives very little time to react at lawful speeds.  What if the driver ran into the vehicles blocking the Interstate, crashed and died.  Then what ?  Who is responsible for their death and what happens to the protesters who erected the barricade and occupied the freeway ?  Nothing, would be my first guess ...

    This is not like Charlottesville where someone deliberately went after a group of protesters on a street trying to cause harm.  At this point in time I would have a hard time thinking that the driver in Seattle saw these people while going the other way, got off at the next exit and got back on to go run over some people.  It is possible though.  That would be appalling at all levels if that was the case.  I do believe that a split second decision was involved, one way or the other.

    Anyone who lives in a large urban area has the potential to have to face this decision.  No one should ever have to make this decision and would not, if the protesters were acting lawfully.  But here we are.

    ymwv ...

     

    The road was CLOSED. This was deliberate. The person is a goddam murderer.
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    Posted: Jul 5, 2020 - 2:28pm

    This has been bothering me an awful lot since I first became aware of it ...

    The incident on the Seattle freeway that was blocked by protesters and a motorist running into two of them, one of which has since died.

    I have seen the video several times.

    I do not know or claim to know what was in the mind of any of those involved, but it is time to talk about theses things because this is going to become more common as the days pass.

    So these protesters are pissed off enough to walk onto an Interstate highway after midnight wearing dark clothing, block it with vehicles and bodily occupy the adjoining lanes.

    Do they also expect that they will not be hit by passing cars ?  More importantly, do they expect a right not to be run over ?

    So what about a passing driver ?  What expectations and what rights do they have when lawfully operating a motor vehicle on a Federal Interstate highway ?

    There are two possible scenarios with the driver.  Either he didn't see them in time to react and was fearful for his life or was he just as pissed off as the protesters and decided to teach them a lesson or two ?

    Personally, back in the 70's and 80's as a route driver in a tough town, I long ago made the conclusion that if I ever got in a situation where pedestrians deliberately blocked my passage or tried to surround my vehicle, somebody was going to get run over.  I was not going to find out what was in the minds of these people.  Of course I would head to a cop shop immediately and report it, not flee and hide.  Back then, the Cleveland Police told people that were traveling in certain neighborhoods in the wee hours of the morning to treat a red light like a stop sign and keep moving.  But I have already thought about the scenario in Seattle many, many times over the years just being a professional driver.  That is why this is bothering me so much.

    Now we have anarchy in this city (Seattle and now others) and the police are no longer part of the equation when it comes to a mob vs. someone in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    So does being pissed off to a certain degree give someone the right to break the law and expect no harm or consequences in so doing ?  Finally, someone got crushed by a statue they were pulling down.  Too bad, so sad.

    But this is different.  Unless the driver in Seattle was pissed off enough to run over protesters was instead confronted with a life threatening situation and had to make an immediate decision, him or them ?  My sympathy lies with the driver.  The protesters broke the law just being on an Interstate as pedestrians.  They then created a life threatening hazard with a barricade in the middle of an Interstate Highway, that not only being hidden in the dark, gives very little time to react at lawful speeds.  What if the driver ran into the vehicles blocking the Interstate, crashed and died.  Then what ?  Who is responsible for their death and what happens to the protesters who erected the barricade and occupied the freeway ?  Nothing, would be my first guess ...

    This is not like Charlottesville where someone deliberately went after a group of protesters on a street trying to cause harm.  At this point in time I would have a hard time thinking that the driver in Seattle saw these people while going the other way, got off at the next exit and got back on to go run over some people.  It is possible though.  That would be appalling at all levels if that was the case.  I do believe that a split second decision was involved, one way or the other.

    Anyone who lives in a large urban area has the potential to have to face this decision.  No one should ever have to make this decision and would not, if the protesters were acting lawfully.  But here we are.

    ymwv ...

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    Posted: Jul 5, 2020 - 8:27am

    Remember Charlottesville, where a woman was KILLED by a 'very fine' white Supremacist?
    Have yet to read of Antifa Killing anyone.
    Hell, we've got Governors and a President who are allowing people to DIE from politicizing a savage virus through denial and incompetence.
    Spare us the Selective Outrage and Hopscotch Morality.
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    Posted: Jul 4, 2020 - 9:48pm

    If Antifa and its enablers / useful idiots can keep this mayhem up until November, Oregon might just turn into a red state.


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    Posted: Jul 4, 2020 - 9:25pm

    KarmaKarma, looking down from lofty clouds, wrote:
    Let's face it: no matter who is in the Oval office, it is impossible for most members of this site to give up their partisan hackery and seek out any possible common ground.

    A reasonable person might think that intelligent people, of any political stripe, would be capable of looking at the policies and actions of a White House occupant, and rather than remain silent, they would acknowledge when they agree with a particular direction, plan or announcement.

    Alas, reasonable persons seem few.

    I can imagine several reasons for this, with blame falling in many places.

    Because it's so much easier for many to mock, ridicule, harangue, blame, stereotype, and personalize the conflict of ideas. Yes, izzinit?

    So resume your day - and do watch out for the pools of cognitive dissonance.

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     KarmaKarma wrote:
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    Not gonna drive traffic to the link. This one's better. But I wanted to point out to others that it's becoming a standard practice amongst folks without substance in their argument to ask you to do the leg work by using leading questions. You see it a LOT with the QAnon folks ("Well, if he was using the word 'pizza' a lot, what else could it mean?")

    The implication, in a roundabout way, is that the poster sits in a higher position of knowledge and is giving you the means for you to become smarter.

    But really, something that's clear doesn't need questions and roundabout Socratic method. It needs stating, clearly, and withstanding scrutiny. A question-like statement like the one above forces you to provide an answer and therefore is immune. "I'm just asking the question!"
     
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    Not gonna drive traffic to the link. This one's better. But I wanted to point out to others that it's becoming a standard practice amongst folks without substance in their argument to ask you to do the leg work by using leading questions. You see it a LOT with the QAnon folks ("Well, if he was using the word 'pizza' a lot, what else could it mean?")

    The implication, in a roundabout way, is that the poster sits in a higher position of knowledge and is giving you the means for you to become smarter.

    But really, something that's clear doesn't need questions and roundabout Socratic method. It needs stating, clearly, and withstanding scrutiny. A question-like statement like the one above forces you to provide an answer and therefore is immune. "I'm just asking the question!"
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