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Posted: Jul 29, 2020 - 8:35am

 Proclivities wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:
So cause the CDC says it, we're all good and confident, right? And those quack doctors who basically said the same thing are just all crazy, right?

CDC releases updated guidelines in favor of reopening schools


"According to the CDC, there are few reports of children being the driving force of transmission within families. It said that as of July 17, children and adolescents account for under 7 percent of COVID-19 cases and less than 0.1 percent of COVID-19-related deaths.

"The best available evidence indicates that COVID-19 poses relatively low risks to school-aged children," the guidelines read."

 
The "quack doctors who basically said the same thing" were quoting (or cherry-picking) data gathered and/or published by the CDC and the WHO - most likely from the CDC's release from July 23 The article linked above was released a few days before Breitbart's bogus "news conference" occurred.    Still, as you said, these are "guidelines" - school districts still ultimately decide on their plans in most places.

 
So if two different people state the same fact, the first person is only stating a fact or do facts not become facts if you do not like who states them?
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Posted: Jul 29, 2020 - 8:00am



 sirdroseph wrote:
So cause the CDC says it, we're all good and confident, right? And those quack doctors who basically said the same thing are just all crazy, right?

CDC releases updated guidelines in favor of reopening schools


"According to the CDC, there are few reports of children being the driving force of transmission within families. It said that as of July 17, children and adolescents account for under 7 percent of COVID-19 cases and less than 0.1 percent of COVID-19-related deaths.

"The best available evidence indicates that COVID-19 poses relatively low risks to school-aged children," the guidelines read."

 
The "quack doctors who basically said the same thing" were quoting (or cherry-picking) data gathered and/or published by the CDC and the WHO - most likely from the CDC's release from July 23.  The article linked above was released a few days before Breitbart's bogus "news conference" occurred.    Still, as you said, these are "guidelines" - school districts still ultimately decide on their plans in most places.

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Posted: Jul 29, 2020 - 7:50am

 rgio wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:

So in other words, you disagree with the CDC.
 
ahhhh....yeah.  Not sure how guidelines get weaker as the virus spikes in half of the country, but something seems odd?

 
Ya think?{#Lol}
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Posted: Jul 29, 2020 - 7:48am

 Lazy8 wrote:
sirdroseph wrote:
So in other words you disagree with the CDC?  I fully understand this and have not offered my personal opinion as of yet.

I think a one-size-fits all recommendation of back to school is not going to work.

My midmost teaches in the Alaskan bush. Kids live in small houses in multigeneration families with lots of old people. There are endemic problems with substance abuse and poor health and nutrition. The kids often struggle with English. Anything that gets transmitted at school immediately races thru the village. On the other hand they are very isolated during the school year—the only access is by air (which was shut down during the start of the outbreak) and ice road; the nearest town is 60 miles away. The response in their case need to be from the whole community, not just the school.

My sister-in-law teaches in upstate New York. They had a hell of a time at the start of the outbreak; she wrote a lot of condolence letters and lost one student. The school is modern and well-funded and the pandemic has largely run its course there, but they are taking no chances and zooming into the new school year.

Where I live infection, hospitalization, and death rates are quite low...as is mask use and concern among locals. Internet access isn't universal either (tho close to it; some families parked in the public library parking lot to get wifi for homework). Either way it's a tough call.

I'd much prefer the CDC offer best practices for schools that do re-open and publicize criteria for school boards to consider rather than a blanket recommendation that assumes every district has the resources to implement the necessary measures.

As always it's about risk, not certainty. We humans suck at intuitively assessing risk. We need to be guided by science here, something the CDC should be good at. If they are getting good at toeing a political line then people will have an incentive to disregard their advice, and that would be a lasting tragedy.
 
I tend to agree and at least around here, the local school districts are taking this custom by choice approach which I think is the prudent thing to do.  The CDC only offers recommendations and guidelines but it is the state and local school districts that actually implement the policy so yea there are going to be hundreds of different approaches depending on where you are which is probably a good thing.
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Posted: Jul 29, 2020 - 7:38am

sirdroseph wrote:
So in other words you disagree with the CDC?  I fully understand this and have not offered my personal opinion as of yet.

I think a one-size-fits all recommendation of back to school is not going to work.

My midmost teaches in the Alaskan bush. Kids live in small houses in multigeneration families with lots of old people. There are endemic problems with substance abuse and poor health and nutrition. The kids often struggle with English. Anything that gets transmitted at school immediately races thru the village. On the other hand they are very isolated during the school year—the only access is by air (which was shut down during the start of the outbreak) and ice road; the nearest town is 60 miles away. The response in their case need to be from the whole community, not just the school.

My sister-in-law teaches in upstate New York. They had a hell of a time at the start of the outbreak; she wrote a lot of condolence letters and lost one student. The school is modern and well-funded and the pandemic has largely run its course there, but they are taking no chances and zooming into the new school year.

Where I live infection, hospitalization, and death rates are quite low...as is mask use and concern among locals. Internet access isn't universal either (tho close to it; some families parked in the public library parking lot to get wifi for homework). Either way it's a tough call.

I'd much prefer the CDC offer best practices for schools that do re-open and publicize criteria for school boards to consider rather than a blanket recommendation that assumes every district has the resources to implement the necessary measures.

As always it's about risk, not certainty. We humans suck at intuitively assessing risk. We need to be guided by science here, something the CDC should be good at. If they are getting good at toeing a political line then people will have an incentive to disregard their advice, and that would be a lasting tragedy.
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Posted: Jul 29, 2020 - 7:23am



 sirdroseph wrote:

So in other words, you disagree with the CDC.
 
ahhhh....yeah.  Not sure how guidelines get weaker as the virus spikes in half of the country, but something seems odd?

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Posted: Jul 29, 2020 - 7:04am

 Lazy8 wrote:
sirdroseph wrote:
So cause the CDC says it, we're all good and confident, right? And those quack doctors who basically said the same thing are just all crazy, right?

CDC releases updated guidelines in favor of reopening schools


"According to the CDC, there are few reports of children being the driving force of transmission within families. It said that as of July 17, children and adolescents account for under 7 percent of COVID-19 cases and less than 0.1 percent of COVID-19-related deaths.

"The best available evidence indicates that COVID-19 poses relatively low risks to school-aged children," the guidelines read."

That COVID-19 poses a low risk to the health of individual children is uncontroversial. They catch it like everybody else but it seldom kills them. The difficulties lie in
  • The grown-ups they live with are more vulnerable, sometimes a LOT more vulnerable
  • Their teachers/custodians/administrators are grown-ups
  • What do you do when a kid comes down with it? Quarantine everyone s/he's had contact with? What if that's the whole school?
Kids are well-known germ monsters. They are a primary vector for the flu every year, and I remember my kids' grade school years as one bout of viral illness after another for the whole family.

If it were only about the kids it wouldn't be a tough call, but it ain't.
 
So in other words you disagree with the CDC?  I fully understand this and have not offered my personal opinion as of yet.
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Posted: Jul 29, 2020 - 7:03am

 rgio wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:
So cause the CDC says it, we're all good and confident, right? And those quack doctors who basically said the same thing are just all crazy, right?

CDC releases updated guidelines in favor of reopening schools


"According to the CDC, there are few reports of children being the driving force of transmission within families. It said that as of July 17, children and adolescents account for under 7 percent of COVID-19 cases and less than 0.1 percent of COVID-19-related deaths.


"The best available evidence indicates that COVID-19 poses relatively low risks to school-aged children," the guidelines read."

 
As of this morning, there are 303 children (minors) in FL hospitals with Covid-19.

Look on the bright side, if your kid dies, another 1,000 older people will have gone too.  No risk...now get on the bus!

 
So in other words, you disagree with the CDC.
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Posted: Jul 29, 2020 - 6:56am

sirdroseph wrote:
So cause the CDC says it, we're all good and confident, right? And those quack doctors who basically said the same thing are just all crazy, right?

CDC releases updated guidelines in favor of reopening schools


"According to the CDC, there are few reports of children being the driving force of transmission within families. It said that as of July 17, children and adolescents account for under 7 percent of COVID-19 cases and less than 0.1 percent of COVID-19-related deaths.

"The best available evidence indicates that COVID-19 poses relatively low risks to school-aged children," the guidelines read."

That COVID-19 poses a low risk to the health of individual children is uncontroversial. They catch it like everybody else but it seldom kills them. The difficulties lie in
  • The grown-ups they live with are more vulnerable, sometimes a LOT more vulnerable
  • Their teachers/custodians/administrators are grown-ups
  • What do you do when a kid comes down with it? Quarantine everyone s/he's had contact with? What if that's the whole school?
Kids are well-known germ monsters. They are a primary vector for the flu every year, and I remember my kids' grade school years as one bout of viral illness after another for the whole family.

If it were only about the kids it wouldn't be a tough call, but it ain't.
rgio

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Posted: Jul 29, 2020 - 6:50am



 sirdroseph wrote:
So cause the CDC says it, we're all good and confident, right? And those quack doctors who basically said the same thing are just all crazy, right?

CDC releases updated guidelines in favor of reopening schools


"According to the CDC, there are few reports of children being the driving force of transmission within families. It said that as of July 17, children and adolescents account for under 7 percent of COVID-19 cases and less than 0.1 percent of COVID-19-related deaths.


"The best available evidence indicates that COVID-19 poses relatively low risks to school-aged children," the guidelines read."

 
As of this morning, there are 303 children (minors) in FL hospitals with Covid-19.

Look on the bright side, if your kid dies, another 1,000 older people will have gone too.  No risk...now get on the bus!

sirdroseph

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Posted: Jul 29, 2020 - 6:26am

So cause the CDC says it, we're all good and confident, right? And those quack doctors who basically said the same thing are just all crazy, right?

CDC releases updated guidelines in favor of reopening schools


"According to the CDC, there are few reports of children being the driving force of transmission within families. It said that as of July 17, children and adolescents account for under 7 percent of COVID-19 cases and less than 0.1 percent of COVID-19-related deaths.

"The best available evidence indicates that COVID-19 poses relatively low risks to school-aged children," the guidelines read."

sirdroseph

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Posted: Jul 29, 2020 - 2:57am



 kurtster wrote:

So this is what has been deemed unfit to be seen.  Too much for my little brain to handle.

What is the medical training of those who decided this is baseless and without merit ?

Are these not real doctors ?  Are they not currently treating actual patients ?


A different point of view is not to be allowed any exposure, regardless eh ?

And what if they are right ?  We will know the answer to that in the not too distant future with all of the testing underway.

It is not yet decided and keeping any public and honest discussion of this or other treatments from happening is motivated primarily by politics and lobbyists, not science as claimed.

Are these not legitimate doctors of medical sciences ?

I assume that they are all currently licensed.

I read the hit piece ole Agent Orange posted. Doesn't make what is said in the video untrue by what I saw watching the whole thing.

I'm tired of hearing the bullshit that decries (or pretends) the science is settled, because it isn't.

 

That is actually why I posted this, these are very educated people of science with a lot of experience and yet obviously some of what they have said is full of shit, but not all of it.  Are they really so much different than the revered and respected educated professionals that have been flip flopping and waving in the wind with their confusing messaging almost like they really don't anymore than we do regarding covid?   Personally common sense told me very early on that a virus they really don't know jack about but seems so contagious and deadly enough to take notice should be treated seriously and social distancing, washing your hands as much as possible and eventually wearing mask if you have to be around people (definition of which is the most flagrant abuse) is the prudent cause of action.  The delay of wearing the mask for me was only because I was adamantly told by these professionals to not wear mask because you would be usurping badly needed supplies from our medical staff on the front lines and they would not help that much anyway.  I was perplexed by this because I have always noticed Asians wearing mask during times like these and they have much more experience with this sort of thing and it seemed to make sense if this virus was so contagious.  Then all of the sudden a mask was paramount for everyone and the supply issues were no more magically overnight and how could anyone think otherwise?  Bottom line is, I never really paid much attention to what western "experts" say, on pandemics.  I stick to common sense and the basic science of what I know about virus's behavior and act accordingly.  You guys can argue about how to control others.
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Posted: Jul 29, 2020 - 2:55am

 westslope wrote:

I stopped watching after listening to the obese Nigerian doctor.......

 
There is just something inherently wrong with this statement ... or is it just me ?

fat shaming racist xenophobia ?  Nah, must be something else ...

Oh, and good to see you back !
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Posted: Jul 29, 2020 - 1:43am

 sirdroseph wrote:
 
So this is what has been deemed unfit to be seen.  Too much for my little brain to handle.

What is the medical training of those who decided this is baseless and without merit ?

Are these not real doctors ?  Are they not currently treating actual patients ?

A different point of view is not to be allowed any exposure, regardless eh ?

And what if they are right ?  We will know the answer to that in the not too distant future with all of the testing underway.

It is not yet decided and keeping any public and honest discussion of this or other treatments from happening is motivated primarily by politics and lobbyists, not science as claimed.

Are these not legitimate doctors of medical sciences ?

I assume that they are all currently licensed.

I read the hit piece ole Agent Orange posted. Doesn't make what is said in the video untrue by what I saw watching the whole thing.

I'm tired of hearing the bullshit that decries (or pretends) the science is settled, because it isn't.

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Posted: Jul 28, 2020 - 8:15pm



 KarmaKarma wrote:


 Red_Dragon wrote:


 kcar wrote:
You cannot make this stuff up. Trump must be trying to drive The Onion out of business. 


Trump complains about Fauci’s high approval rating, wonders why his isn’t as high


President Trump lamented Anthony S. Fauci’s popularity amid the coronavirus pandemic and complained that he should be given equally high marks.

“We’ve done pretty much what he and others, Dr. Birx and others who are terrific, recommended,” Trump said, referring to Fauci. “And he’s got this high approval rating. So why don’t I have a high approval rating with respect, and the administration, with respect to the virus?”

...



“It sort of is curious. A man works for us, with us very closely … and yet they’re highly thought of,” Trump said. “But nobody likes me. It can only be my personality, that’s all.”



 

Because you're a total fucking waste of air, Donnie.
 

What are you going to whine about for the next four years?



 

That tweet you posted is from February 5, 2020.
Before the coronavirus turned this country upside down and made crystal clear how incompetent and deluded Trump is.

But you seem just as keen on displaying your own shortcomings.

Admit it now, KK. The truth will set you free.





More fun with Douchebag Don: That press conference he gave was a doozy!

Coronavirus Live Updates: Trump Falsely Claims Much of U.S. ‘Corona Free’ as 21 States Face ‘Red Zone’ Outbreaks



Trump defends sharing video on discredited drug and falsely claims much of U.S. is ‘corona free.’

President Trump returned to defending a discredited drug at a White House briefing Tuesday evening in which he also made claims about the trajectory of the virus that clash with his own administration’s assessments and bemoaned his low approval ratings.

The president defended sharing a version of a video promoting the use of the drug hydroxychloroquine that was deleted Monday night by Facebook, YouTube and Twitter, which all said that the video had violated their policies on sharing misinformation about the virus.

He claimed that “you can look at large portions of our country — it’s corona-free,” even as federal officials distributed a new report finding that 21 states had outbreaks so severe that they were in the “red zone.” Twenty-eight states were in the “yellow zone,” and only one state, Vermont, was in the “green zone.”

...

At the briefing Mr. Trump was asked about one of the speakers in the video, who identified herself as Dr. Stella Immanuel. She claimed “you don’t need masks” to prevent the spread of the virus and spoke of treating hundreds of virus patients with hydroxychloroquine. He called her “impressive.”

...

She was on air along with many other doctors,” he said. “They were big fans of hydroxychloroquine. And I thought she was very impressive in the sense that from where she came — I don’t know which country she comes from — but she says she’s had tremendous success with hundreds of different patients. And I thought her voice was an important voice, but I know nothing about her.”

Dr. Immanuel has drawn scrutiny for a series of religious sermons posted on her YouTube channel, in which she linked medical conditions to sex with demons and witches, as well as making references to alien DNA.

When a reporter mentioned Dr. Immanuel’s background to the president, including comments attributed to her that “doctors make medicine using DNA from aliens,” Mr. Trump responded, “I know nothing about her,” and abruptly ended the briefing moments later.


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Posted: Jul 28, 2020 - 4:40pm



 kcar wrote:
You cannot make this stuff up. Trump must be trying to drive The Onion out of business. 


Trump complains about Fauci’s high approval rating, wonders why his isn’t as high


President Trump lamented Anthony S. Fauci’s popularity amid the coronavirus pandemic and complained that he should be given equally high marks.

“We’ve done pretty much what he and others, Dr. Birx and others who are terrific, recommended,” Trump said, referring to Fauci. “And he’s got this high approval rating. So why don’t I have a high approval rating with respect, and the administration, with respect to the virus?”

...



“It sort of is curious. A man works for us, with us very closely … and yet they’re highly thought of,” Trump said. “But nobody likes me. It can only be my personality, that’s all.”



 
What does it tell us when a person is President of the United States and is jealous of the stature of someone else in his administration?

Rhetorical question.

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Posted: Jul 28, 2020 - 4:28pm



 Red_Dragon wrote:


 kcar wrote:
You cannot make this stuff up. Trump must be trying to drive The Onion out of business. 


Trump complains about Fauci’s high approval rating, wonders why his isn’t as high


President Trump lamented Anthony S. Fauci’s popularity amid the coronavirus pandemic and complained that he should be given equally high marks.

“We’ve done pretty much what he and others, Dr. Birx and others who are terrific, recommended,” Trump said, referring to Fauci. “And he’s got this high approval rating. So why don’t I have a high approval rating with respect, and the administration, with respect to the virus?”

...



“It sort of is curious. A man works for us, with us very closely … and yet they’re highly thought of,” Trump said. “But nobody likes me. It can only be my personality, that’s all.”



 

Because you're a total fucking waste of air, Donnie.
 

What are you going to whine about for the next four years?



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Posted: Jul 28, 2020 - 4:22pm



 kcar wrote:
You cannot make this stuff up. Trump must be trying to drive The Onion out of business. 


Trump complains about Fauci’s high approval rating, wonders why his isn’t as high


President Trump lamented Anthony S. Fauci’s popularity amid the coronavirus pandemic and complained that he should be given equally high marks.

“We’ve done pretty much what he and others, Dr. Birx and others who are terrific, recommended,” Trump said, referring to Fauci. “And he’s got this high approval rating. So why don’t I have a high approval rating with respect, and the administration, with respect to the virus?”

...



“It sort of is curious. A man works for us, with us very closely … and yet they’re highly thought of,” Trump said. “But nobody likes me. It can only be my personality, that’s all.”



 

Because you're a total fucking waste of air, Donnie.
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Posted: Jul 28, 2020 - 4:21pm

 kcar wrote:
“But nobody likes me. It can only be my personality, that’s all.”

Someone should write a book about those cravings. 


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