kurtster wrote:
 
She's got newfound powers? Well whoever had the power before wasn't using it. That's how it goes. But complaining about her having powers the voters didn't give her is arguable, but doing so while the president fires people for doing their jobs and installs "acting" administrators with no qualifications? Classic Kurtster.

 steeler wrote: 
It would be hard to label this group.  The best I can come up would be the AOC wing of the body politic or those like minded.

 steeler wrote:
 

I suspect the former. Which makes the notion idiotic.

 kurtster wrote:
 
A familiar tune.

 kurtster wrote:
 
This  â€œfaction” you are talking about are elected governors, mayors, county commissioners, etc, exercising police powers, are they not? Or are you talking about some nefarious other faction?

 R_P wrote: 
I have to give this a yeah, but ...  There are many who have seen Civil Liberties held in contempt by a faction and while there are some measures that the time requires, there is very little trust left in those that administer these needs for them to be seen as only temporary.  This control is being taken without voting.  This faction wants to keep this newly gained control / power over the population.  If left unchallenged, it will.  It cannot make what is temporary permanent without the consent of the governed.  This concern is well founded.

this is awesome and there are billions of reasons to watch this (at least two or three times)

there should be superhero action figures of this team and a movie deal

'All the psychoses of US history': how America is victim-blaming the coronavirus dead

It’s not surprising that Americans, who are used to tackling every problem through the lens of “individual rights”, would struggle with how to respond to the collective demands of a pandemic.

“It’s this mismatch in terms of a social problem, and the tools we have at our disposal to make sense of it,” the sociologist Jennifer Carlson said.

Americans don’t have much of a national vocabulary for talking about collective action and sacrifice. Jon Stokes, a gun rights activist from Austin, Texas, has strong opinions about tyranny and freedom. But he said he was frustrated that some of his usual allies did not seem to understand that dealing with a novel virus, in a country where no one has immunity, required a different kind of politics.

“Our rights are being violated. That is all actually real,” Stokes said. “But this is one of the few times when that’s OK. Pandemics – these call for a collectivist response. They don’t work without one.”

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Just 7.3% of Stockholm had Covid-19 antibodies by end of April, study shows

 kurtster wrote:
 
There is a difference between refusing to lift the  â€œhammer” before there is a vaccine and governors saying we will not “return to normal” until there is a vaccine. Restrictions are being lifted in phases. Even if all government-imposed restrictions are phased out, people will continue to practice social distancing, with all that entails, and that caution will remain until there is a vaccine or therapeutic breakthroughs. 

 Proclivities wrote: 
I know of 4.  NJ, Il, Pa,and Michigan.  That represents nearly 20 % of blue governors.  I am paying attention and don't hear the "all blue states" mentioned and I know better anyway.  But there are some saying no vaccine, no go.  That is troubling because it is unrealistic and represents a sizable portion of similar thinking among the party loyal.  I've seen some of the same expressed here.  Is what it is.

And it is being politicized in California by their gov by being really selective of where restrictions are being kept such as my home turf in Orange County.  It's been politicized by everybody, regardless of affiliation.  That too, is what it is.  We'll see and are seeing this play out slowly.  We should be seeing some numbers coming in soon from states as they reopen.  By the end of June, we should have some very meaningful data.

 Lazy8 wrote: 

thanks, i think this temporarily broke my brain

after looking around i see collider bias everywhere

or at least i think i do (the applications are endless)

i'm beat and my other half wants to have dinner and a drink

dim the lights and light a candle, then get cozy and watch some tv

i'm tempted to ask her straight up if she just wants to get her groove on

or does she want me to install new lighting in the living room?

maybe i'll get a better grip in the morning

or not

This article explains how anomalous results (like smokers having lower infection rates in France) can arise from inadvertent data selection in the population studied.Site requires (free) registration, well worth it.

COVID-19 Data Dives: The Banana Peel of COVID-19 Research

Tim T. Morris, MSc, PhD

America’s Patchwork Pandemic Is Fraying Even Further
The coronavirus is coursing through different parts of the U.S. in different ways, making the crisis harder to predict, control, or understand.

A patchwork pandemic is psychologically perilous. The measures that most successfully contain the virus—testing people, tracing any contacts they might have infected, isolating them from others—all depend on “how engaged and invested the population is,” says Justin Lessler, an epidemiologist at Johns Hopkins. “If you have all the resources in the world and an antagonistic relationship with the people, you’ll fail.” Testing matters only if people agree to get tested. Tracing succeeds only if people pick up the phone. And if those fail, the measure of last resort—social distancing—works only if people agree to sacrifice some personal freedom for the good of others. Such collective actions are aided by collective experiences. What happens when that experience unravels?

 steeler wrote: 
everything is wildly politicized

biased framing for maximum effect

tabloid at best

 Proclivities wrote:
 

Indeed.

it is Trump and his supporters who are politicizing this in the worst way by saying/suggesting that Democratic governors have been  imposing unnecessary restrictions and/or refusing to lift restrictions in an effort to damage Trump’s chances for re-election.   The state next to me, Maryland, has a Republican governor, Larry Hogan, who has been pretty steadfast in keeping restrictions until certain statistical gateways have been reached. For that, some are calling him a “rino.” 

 black321 wrote:
 
But the beaches are open!

I think the Times is picking up on a technical classification (correctly)....but the reality is different.  I think Murphy is leaving the "at home" order to ease the state back into opening versus "lifting" the order before it expires June 5.  He's probably also happy to be the one who prevents Trump from saying "the entire country is open".

He got lucky that the weather this weekend doesn't look great....beaches won't be as packed as they might have been otherwise.

Reopening map. NJ only state still shut down

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/states-reopen-map-coronavirus.html

 kurtster wrote:
 
Every state has (or will soon have) eased restrictions.  In response to questions of "When will things get back to normal?", I believe it was at least three different Democratic governors who expressed that there cannot be a "return to 'normal'" without a vaccine.  Fox News and other Conservative outlets misrepresented those responses in out-of-context video clips and soundbites by suggesting that "all blue governors"  intend to keep all businesses and activities shut down in their states until there is a vaccine.  Of course, using out-of-context clips is not a tactic unique to Conservative outlets.
From what I've read it appears that most of the states have very similar timelines, regardless of the party affiliations of their governors.