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Posted: Feb 2, 2021 - 1:42pm

 R_P wrote: 
didn't get a chance to read it yet but thx {#Lol}
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Posted: Feb 2, 2021 - 11:09am

LMGTFY.
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Posted: Feb 2, 2021 - 10:47am

 rgio wrote:


 miamizsun wrote:


 R_P wrote:
 
 

just looking at this i would think india and africa are under-reporting

either that or they're doing something that everyone else should know about

i understand the rural/isolated aspect, but what about the condensed urban areas?

is there any explanation with these charts?

thanks
 

The median age on the continent of Africa is under 20. It's 27 in India. It's over 38 in the US.  
 

that does or could explain some of it however the disparity is ginormous

rgio

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Posted: Feb 2, 2021 - 8:35am



 miamizsun wrote:


 R_P wrote:

 

just looking at this i would think india and africa are under-reporting

either that or they're doing something that everyone else should know about

i understand the rural/isolated aspect, but what about the condensed urban areas?

is there any explanation with these charts?

thanks
 

The median age on the continent of Africa is under 20. It's 27 in India. It's over 38 in the US.  
black321

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Posted: Feb 2, 2021 - 8:29am



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

There's a growing feeling that counties should just stop trying to schedule anything and stick people first come first served as fast as they can. Once the vaccine's not in short supply, I think that's what they'll all do. Trying to make it all fair and appropriate is slowing things down...
 

Now that most primary care folks should have gotten their 2nd dose, it seems like that might be a good idea.

I know not many are into this, but do check out herbs for helping with lingering symptoms.
Many like resveratrol (the good stuff in wine) and cats claw are very good at addressing the cytokine storms, reducing inflammation, and have antimicrobial properties, with little side effects/interactions (with the exception of blood thinners). 
miamizsun

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Posted: Feb 2, 2021 - 8:08am



 R_P wrote:

 

just looking at this i would think india and africa are under-reporting

either that or they're doing something that everyone else should know about

i understand the rural/isolated aspect, but what about the condensed urban areas?

is there any explanation with these charts?

thanks
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Posted: Feb 2, 2021 - 7:54am


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Posted: Feb 2, 2021 - 4:34am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
As I begin to assume I'll have some lingering aftereffects, I'm slowly getting past the chronic fatigue (as long as I get 10 hours of sleep) but the reduced sense of taste and smell seems to have settled in at maybe 1/3 of what it should be, assuming it's possible to measure it that way. Started out at 0%, came back pretty strong for a day or two but now it's pretty dull. SO: are the vaccines causing any of these responses too? 
 
hey scott you're likely dealing with some residual inflammation

il-6/cytokines probably still jacked up

usually your doc would suggest dexamethasone to minimize that issue

feel better    {#Good-vibes}
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Posted: Feb 1, 2021 - 4:31pm



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:



There's a growing feeling that counties should just stop trying to schedule anything and stick people first come first served as fast as they can. Once the vaccine's not in short supply, I think that's what they'll all do. Trying to make it all fair and appropriate is slowing things down...
 
It's a total clusterf*ck here. The hospital ran out of vaccines last week. The few they'll get this week will be for second doses only.

Neighbor called us last night, told Mike that the Safeway was making appointments. He snagged one for Wednesday. An hour later, nothing available. So far it's all word of mouth - Hey, there are openings at Tri-Area Pharmacy - be quick!

Meanwhile, many, many seniors around here are waiting for the hospital to call. The Health Dept.'s advice is don't call us, we'll call you. Except they aren't even doing contact tracing anymore, or supplying information on the age and gender of new cases. (Evidently the big surge here was from Graywolf (youth rehab center) the other day, 5 males under the age of 20. Not among the general population. Good to know.)

So there's confusion, no vaccines, multiple agencies involved indepedently. What could possibly go wrong?

I doubt I'll get stuck with a needle until near summer.

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Posted: Feb 1, 2021 - 3:52pm



 haresfur wrote:

Glad you are feeling better. Sorry about the taste & smell. Guess you are on cat-box duty, eh?
 

Hmm don't let that idea get to the current jobholders. 

Thanks, Kurt, and good luck! I think our state just opened up some more tiers but I also think they're short of vaccine so that seems odd.

There's a growing feeling that counties should just stop trying to schedule anything and stick people first come first served as fast as they can. Once the vaccine's not in short supply, I think that's what they'll all do. Trying to make it all fair and appropriate is slowing things down...
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Posted: Feb 1, 2021 - 3:09pm



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 Steely_D wrote:
The J&J shot, though not covering everything perfectly, has many advantages.
First, nobody freak out if it's only 60-70% effective; that's comparable to most influenza vaccines and so it's "normal."
Second, when I worked in the county ED many many of the people that came through would never have been able to come by a second time (transportation, logistics, funds, etc) and so expecting them to participate in a double-shot treatment is impractical; getting a single shot with even partial benefit is a huge step forward, especially in a population that lives in close quarters.

And, unrelated: it's useful to follow something as clear as the death rates, but we're absolutely seeing damage and long term disabilities of various magnitudes in otherwise healthy people who've "gotten over it." So, yay on death prevention (although why are we immunizing people over 90?) but don't let that fool people into complacence about "success." This thing still makes people very sick after they get it, even if they don't die.
 

Seems like the immunization side effects in the over 90s might be the thing that pushes them into the great beyond, but maybe that's just me.

====================

As I begin to assume I'll have some lingering aftereffects, I'm slowly getting past the chronic fatigue (as long as I get 10 hours of sleep) but the reduced sense of taste and smell seems to have settled in at maybe 1/3 of what it should be, assuming it's possible to measure it that way. Started out at 0%, came back pretty strong for a day or two but now it's pretty dull. SO: are the vaccines causing any of these responses too? 
 
I suspect that the flu vaccine helped do my mother in, but she basically didn't have much of an immune system left and the flu certainly would have got her. But you play the odds with the overall goal of keeping people alive if they or their caretakers believe the quality of life is there. On her slide down, my mom didn't believe the quality of life was there, but it was pre-assisted suicide days. In any case, it's an individual decision unless you get to the point where hospitals have to triage patients. Because that's just the way it is done.

Glad you are feeling better. Sorry about the taste & smell. Guess you are on cat-box duty, eh?
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Posted: Feb 1, 2021 - 3:01pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 Steely_D wrote:
The J&J shot, though not covering everything perfectly, has many advantages.
First, nobody freak out if it's only 60-70% effective; that's comparable to most influenza vaccines and so it's "normal."
Second, when I worked in the county ED many many of the people that came through would never have been able to come by a second time (transportation, logistics, funds, etc) and so expecting them to participate in a double-shot treatment is impractical; getting a single shot with even partial benefit is a huge step forward, especially in a population that lives in close quarters.

And, unrelated: it's useful to follow something as clear as the death rates, but we're absolutely seeing damage and long term disabilities of various magnitudes in otherwise healthy people who've "gotten over it." So, yay on death prevention (although why are we immunizing people over 90?) but don't let that fool people into complacence about "success." This thing still makes people very sick after they get it, even if they don't die.
 

Seems like the immunization side effects in the over 90s might be the thing that pushes them into the great beyond, but maybe that's just me.

====================

As I begin to assume I'll have some lingering aftereffects, I'm slowly getting past the chronic fatigue (as long as I get 10 hours of sleep) but the reduced sense of taste and smell seems to have settled in at maybe 1/3 of what it should be, assuming it's possible to measure it that way. Started out at 0%, came back pretty strong for a day or two but now it's pretty dull. SO: are the vaccines causing any of these responses too? 
 
My 94 yo Mom goes in for her second Moderna a week from Wednesday.  She did ok on the first one.  The CClinic called her offering her an appointment due her age group getting the go ahead here in Ohio.  Meanwhile at work only our doc has gotten one and did ok.  He's late 50's.  He is already cancelling appointments for day 2 of the second shot.  The rest of us are fending for ourselves.  We are evidently 1A orphans out there because we are a small private shop and have to go through our resident counties to get something earlier than our age groups.  I'm on my county's list now and two of the local Rx chains for the 2B, 65 or older group. 

At least one of the chains is sending me updates without asking.  Not holding my breath on the county.  We are tiny population wise, so sucks to be us.  Who knows, the Clinic may call me with an age based appointment.

Otherwise its dodging bullets and taking that Vito C, D and zinc stuff, same as I always have.
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Posted: Feb 1, 2021 - 2:58pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
Seems like the immunization side effects in the over 90s might be the thing that pushes them into the great beyond, but maybe that's just me.
An interesting finding from the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna clinical trials is that while the vaccines seem to be just as effective in older adult participants, people 65 and older experienced fewer side effects than younger volunteers.
Maybe better 'trained' immune systems.

There are ~2 million nonagenarians.
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Feb 1, 2021 - 2:38pm



 Steely_D wrote:
The J&J shot, though not covering everything perfectly, has many advantages.
First, nobody freak out if it's only 60-70% effective; that's comparable to most influenza vaccines and so it's "normal."
Second, when I worked in the county ED many many of the people that came through would never have been able to come by a second time (transportation, logistics, funds, etc) and so expecting them to participate in a double-shot treatment is impractical; getting a single shot with even partial benefit is a huge step forward, especially in a population that lives in close quarters.

And, unrelated: it's useful to follow something as clear as the death rates, but we're absolutely seeing damage and long term disabilities of various magnitudes in otherwise healthy people who've "gotten over it." So, yay on death prevention (although why are we immunizing people over 90?) but don't let that fool people into complacence about "success." This thing still makes people very sick after they get it, even if they don't die.
 

Seems like the immunization side effects in the over 90s might be the thing that pushes them into the great beyond, but maybe that's just me.

====================

As I begin to assume I'll have some lingering aftereffects, I'm slowly getting past the chronic fatigue (as long as I get 10 hours of sleep) but the reduced sense of taste and smell seems to have settled in at maybe 1/3 of what it should be, assuming it's possible to measure it that way. Started out at 0%, came back pretty strong for a day or two but now it's pretty dull. SO: are the vaccines causing any of these responses too? 
rgio

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Posted: Feb 1, 2021 - 2:30pm



 black321 wrote:


 haresfur wrote:


 Steely_D wrote:
The J&J shot, though not covering everything perfectly, has many advantages.
First, nobody freak out if it's only 60-70% effective; that's comparable to most influenza vaccines and so it's "normal."
Second, when I worked in the county ED many many of the people that came through would never have been able to come by a second time (transportation, logistics, funds, etc) and so expecting them to participate in a double-shot treatment is impractical; getting a single shot with even partial benefit is a huge step forward, especially in a population that lives in close quarters.

And, unrelated: it's useful to follow something as clear as the death rates, but we're absolutely seeing damage and long term disabilities of various magnitudes in otherwise healthy people who've "gotten over it." So, yay on death prevention (although why are we immunizing people over 90?) but don't let that fool people into complacence about "success." This thing still makes people very sick after they get it, even if they don't die.
 
In Australia most people will get the Astrazeneca vaccine that has a relatively low effectiveness (but will be manufactured in country).  On one hand it is better than nothing and will help to slow outbreaks from the seeming inevitable escape from quarantine for overseas travellers. On the other that is nowhere near enough effectiveness for me to consider overseas travel, even if it was possible. Still a hell of a risk.

So there are two things, vaccination to fight the pandemic and eventually get to the point where life can reach a semblance of normal and vaccination so that you can start shopping in person or visit friends, etc. At 60-70% will that be enough so that you feel safe to change your behaviour?

As for immunizing people over 90, that's because there is a core belief in the value of life. Sure, there are balances with DNRs etc. but we don't push the elderly out on an ice-flow when things get tough. Although, the republicans have said that is precisely what we should do - let the old people die to save the economy. Those are the rules, rightly or wrongly. If nothing else it keeps people working in aged care safer.



 
if everyone gets a shot, 60-70 effective...I believe that may be enough for herd immunity.

 
If not herd immunity, it will reduce infections to the point that isolation and contact tracing can chase down the rest....so long as you don't let others from less vigilant farmers continuously infect your herd.

black321

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Posted: Feb 1, 2021 - 1:55pm



 haresfur wrote:


 Steely_D wrote:
The J&J shot, though not covering everything perfectly, has many advantages.
First, nobody freak out if it's only 60-70% effective; that's comparable to most influenza vaccines and so it's "normal."
Second, when I worked in the county ED many many of the people that came through would never have been able to come by a second time (transportation, logistics, funds, etc) and so expecting them to participate in a double-shot treatment is impractical; getting a single shot with even partial benefit is a huge step forward, especially in a population that lives in close quarters.

And, unrelated: it's useful to follow something as clear as the death rates, but we're absolutely seeing damage and long term disabilities of various magnitudes in otherwise healthy people who've "gotten over it." So, yay on death prevention (although why are we immunizing people over 90?) but don't let that fool people into complacence about "success." This thing still makes people very sick after they get it, even if they don't die.
 
In Australia most people will get the Astrazeneca vaccine that has a relatively low effectiveness (but will be manufactured in country).  On one hand it is better than nothing and will help to slow outbreaks from the seeming inevitable escape from quarantine for overseas travellers. On the other that is nowhere near enough effectiveness for me to consider overseas travel, even if it was possible. Still a hell of a risk.

So there are two things, vaccination to fight the pandemic and eventually get to the point where life can reach a semblance of normal and vaccination so that you can start shopping in person or visit friends, etc. At 60-70% will that be enough so that you feel safe to change your behaviour?

As for immunizing people over 90, that's because there is a core belief in the value of life. Sure, there are balances with DNRs etc. but we don't push the elderly out on an ice-flow when things get tough. Although, the republicans have said that is precisely what we should do - let the old people die to save the economy. Those are the rules, rightly or wrongly. If nothing else it keeps people working in aged care safer.



 
if everyone gets a shot, 60-70 effective...I believe that may be enough for herd immunity.

haresfur

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Posted: Feb 1, 2021 - 1:51pm



 Steely_D wrote:
The J&J shot, though not covering everything perfectly, has many advantages.
First, nobody freak out if it's only 60-70% effective; that's comparable to most influenza vaccines and so it's "normal."
Second, when I worked in the county ED many many of the people that came through would never have been able to come by a second time (transportation, logistics, funds, etc) and so expecting them to participate in a double-shot treatment is impractical; getting a single shot with even partial benefit is a huge step forward, especially in a population that lives in close quarters.

And, unrelated: it's useful to follow something as clear as the death rates, but we're absolutely seeing damage and long term disabilities of various magnitudes in otherwise healthy people who've "gotten over it." So, yay on death prevention (although why are we immunizing people over 90?) but don't let that fool people into complacence about "success." This thing still makes people very sick after they get it, even if they don't die.
 
In Australia most people will get the Astrazeneca vaccine that has a relatively low effectiveness (but will be manufactured in country).  On one hand it is better than nothing and will help to slow outbreaks from the seeming inevitable escape from quarantine for overseas travellers. On the other that is nowhere near enough effectiveness for me to consider overseas travel, even if it was possible. Still a hell of a risk.

So there are two things, vaccination to fight the pandemic and eventually get to the point where life can reach a semblance of normal and vaccination so that you can start shopping in person or visit friends, etc. At 60-70% will that be enough so that you feel safe to change your behaviour?

As for immunizing people over 90, that's because there is a core belief in the value of life. Sure, there are balances with DNRs etc. but we don't push the elderly out on an ice-flow when things get tough. Although, the republicans have said that is precisely what we should do - let the old people die to save the economy. Those are the rules, rightly or wrongly. If nothing else it keeps people working in aged care safer.



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Posted: Feb 1, 2021 - 1:19pm

The J&J shot, though not covering everything perfectly, has many advantages.
First, nobody freak out if it's only 60-70% effective; that's comparable to most influenza vaccines and so it's "normal."
Second, when I worked in the county ED many many of the people that came through would never have been able to come by a second time (transportation, logistics, funds, etc) and so expecting them to participate in a double-shot treatment is impractical; getting a single shot with even partial benefit is a huge step forward, especially in a population that lives in close quarters.

And, unrelated: it's useful to follow something as clear as the death rates, but we're absolutely seeing damage and long term disabilities of various magnitudes in otherwise healthy people who've "gotten over it." So, yay on death prevention (although why are we immunizing people over 90?) but don't let that fool people into complacence about "success." This thing still makes people very sick after they get it, even if they don't die.
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Posted: Feb 1, 2021 - 12:30pm



 R_P wrote:
As Virus Variants Spread, ‘No One Is Safe Until Everyone Is Safe’
Rich countries are buying up coronavirus vaccines, leaving poorer regions vulnerable — and as potential breeding grounds for variants, like one found in South Africa, that could make vaccines less effective.
CAPE TOWN, South Africa — As a dangerous variant of the coronavirus first discovered in South Africa sickens and kills thousands across the country, Jan Matsena has shown up every day to stock the shelves at a Cape Town supermarket, terrified that he, too, will catch it.

A neighbor died in December, then a co-worker in January. Now Mr. Matsena is waiting for a vaccine so he can return home to his township and hold his baby daughter again. But in South Africa, the country hit hardest so far by the variant, inoculations have not yet started.

“The wait for this vaccine has been long, long now,” said Mr. Matsena, a first-time father who has been living away from his family for fear of exposing them. “People are passing away, people are losing jobs. It’s trauma.”

While more than 90 million people worldwide have been vaccinated, only 25 in all of sub-Saharan Africa, a region of about one billion people, have been given doses outside of drug trials, according to the World Health Organization.

But as new variants like the one discovered in South Africa migrate to more countries — including the United States — it is becoming ever clearer that the tragedy for poorer countries could become a tragedy for every country. The more the virus spreads, and the longer it takes to vaccinate people, the greater chance it has to continue to mutate in ways that put the whole world at risk. (...)

“This idea that no one is safe until everyone is safe is not just an adage, it is really true,” said Andrea Taylor, the assistant director at Duke Global Health Innovation Center.

Even in the most optimistic scenarios, Ms. Taylor said, at the current pace of production, there will not be enough vaccines for true global coverage until 2023. The current rollout plans across Africa are expected to vaccinate only 20 to 35 percent of the population this year if everything goes right. (...)

 
Blame it on the poor nations but with the out of control spread in the USA, it's only time until there is an "American variant"

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Posted: Feb 1, 2021 - 8:45am

The Hard Lessons of Modeling the Coronavirus Pandemic

"What had gone wrong? The scientists had seemingly included so much room for error, so many contingencies for how students might behave. “What we didn’t anticipate was that they would break the law,” Goldenfeld said — that some students, even after testing positive and being told to quarantine, would attend parties anyway. This turned out to be critical: Given how COVID-19 spreads, even if only a few students went against the rules, the infection rate could explode."
 
https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-hard-lessons-of-modeling-the-coronavirus-pandemic-20210128/
 
I think this illustrates why we are only six to eight weeks away from the end of the epidemic, but always will be.
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