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islander

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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 10:29am



 black321 wrote:
Random thoughts, ala miamizsun style

The answer to limiting the spread seems simple enough: quarantine
How do you get there is a harder question.
Need to know who to quarantine,  and ensure incentives for those who are infected to self quarantine
Those without sick leave pay will be tempted to continue working, despite being sick
An effective system would need to find a way to reimburse these people for lost pay, something like unemployment insurance. 

The first step to both of these seems to be a  huge ramp up in testing. 
We need to understand who has it, with or without symptoms to quarantine, and also rely on the testing to confirm who should be reimbursed. 
 

Quasi related:  At my previous company, I  eliminated sick time. Not pooled with 'PTO', eliminated it completely. The policy was use you VACATION for vacation stuff, mental R&R, extra weekend days on the 4th, ect.  If you were sick, stay home and get better. Vacation days were fixed and had to be budgeted, sick days were not.  Neither of these impacted your paycheck.   My board of directors argued and nearly stopped me from doing it. But after we implemented it, the number of sick days dropped, everyone was healthier and happier. (new company reversed the policy and immediately saw an increase in sick time taken).   
black321

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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 10:19am

Random thoughts, ala miamizsun style

The answer to limiting the spread seems simple enough: quarantine
How do you get there is a harder question.
Need to know who to quarantine,  and ensure incentives for those who are infected to self quarantine
Those without sick leave pay will be tempted to continue working, despite being sick
An effective system would need to find a way to reimburse these people for lost pay, something like unemployment insurance. 
The first step to both of these seems to be a  huge ramp up in testing. 
We need to understand who has it, with or without symptoms to quarantine, and also rely on the testing to confirm who should be reimbursed. 
Lazy8

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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 7:48am

ScottFromWyoming wrote:
I don't like it when food is "hand-made" anyway. Can you please use kitchen tools? "Mechanized vodka" sounds cool anyway. "Robot-Made Vodka" is where it's at. I mean, for vodka. 

Tho I think "T-34" would be a great name for a vodka.
Isabeau

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Location: sou' tex
Gender: Female


Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 7:10am



 miamizsun wrote:
i've had similar thoughts

i wish i could tell you:

that the viruses and diseases didn't spread far and wide before most people were aware

that there won't be a next time for this kind of event

that people didn't fall victim to political and religious charlatans who claim to be saviors

that people still use emotion, intuition, instinct and divine beliefs and political prophecy to make decisions (something non-rational)

that folks used more reason and logic when making their best efforts to represent what is

or that everything is going to be alright for everyone (unfortunately for a small percentage of us it isn't)

what i can tell you:

that there are a lot of really smart people with the right tools building solutions/products as we speak

that they are working non-stop to get these products to those who need them asap

try to do the things that we know can minimize risk and transmission

My inner cynic needed to read this.
I'm not into hyping the virus; its dangerous enough. Its the disgust I feel over the gaps in our public logistics and the need to profit skim at every step ... just breaks my heart. 
*sigh* Be well too; especially traveling. 


Proclivities

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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 7:02am



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 Proclivities wrote:


 Red_Dragon wrote:
 
That's also because it's not actually "hand-made" as they originally claimed.

 

I don't like it when food is "hand-made" anyway. Can you please use kitchen tools? "Mechanized vodka" sounds cool anyway. "Robot-Made Vodka" is where it's at. I mean, for vodka. 
 
"Robot-made" would be an excellent selling point, but only "hand-made" vodka could work as hand sanitizer - logically, right?

Coaxial

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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 6:09am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 Proclivities wrote:


 Red_Dragon wrote:
 
That's also because it's not actually "hand-made" as they originally claimed.

 

I don't like it when food is "hand-made" anyway. Can you please use kitchen tools? "Mechanized vodka" sounds cool anyway. "Robot-Made Vodka" is where it's at. I mean, for vodka. 
 
Seriously, get your hands off my food every chance you get.{#War}
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 6:08am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


I don't like it when food is "hand-made" anyway. Can you please use kitchen tools? "Mechanized vodka" sounds cool anyway. "Robot-Made Vodka" is where it's at. I mean, for vodka. 
 
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ScottFromWyoming

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Location: Powell
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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 6:00am



 Proclivities wrote:


 Red_Dragon wrote:
 
That's also because it's not actually "hand-made" as they originally claimed.

 

I don't like it when food is "hand-made" anyway. Can you please use kitchen tools? "Mechanized vodka" sounds cool anyway. "Robot-Made Vodka" is where it's at. I mean, for vodka. 
miamizsun

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Location: (3261.3 Miles SE of RP)
Gender: Male


Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 5:25am

 Isabeau wrote:
 miamizsun wrote:
Figure out how to help seniors and the immunosuppressed stay healthy.
By JEREMY SAMUEL FAUST

MARCH 04, 202011:35 AM
 

Sorry, but the virus will wave over the continent long before all politicians, hospital and insurance lobbies figure it all 'out.'
Individual and State's rights have usurped many policies of the fed. The U.S. Congress can't even pass a reasonable immigration bill for the last 30 years. Every politician and mini-serfdom (State) has solid ideas of what should be done and compromise has become blasphemy.  Tests won't be evenly distributed, many still will refuse testing or quarantine due to unease about medical bills. No one is on the same page. Conclusion: We're on our own.
 

i've had similar thoughts

i wish i could tell you:

that the viruses and diseases didn't spread far and wide before most people were aware

that there won't be a next time for this kind of event

that people didn't fall victim to political and religious charlatans who claim to be saviors

that people still use emotion, intuition, instinct and divine beliefs and political prophecy to make decisions (something non-rational)

that folks used more reason and logic when making their best efforts to represent what is

or that everything is going to be alright for everyone (unfortunately for a small percentage of us it isn't)

what i can tell you:

that there are a lot of really smart people with the right tools building solutions/products as we speak

that they are working non-stop to get these products to those who need them asap

try to do the things that we know can minimize risk and transmission

be well
{#Hug}

 


 
sirdroseph

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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 1:57am



 Isabeau wrote:


 miamizsun wrote:
Figure out how to help seniors and the immunosuppressed stay healthy.
By JEREMY SAMUEL FAUST

MARCH 04, 202011:35 AM
 

Sorry, but the virus will wave over the continent long before all politicians, hospital and insurance lobbies figure it all 'out.'
Individual and State's rights have usurped many policies of the fed. The U.S. Congress can't even pass a reasonable immigration bill for the last 30 years. Every politician and mini-serfdom (State) has solid ideas of what should be done and compromise has become blasphemy.  Tests won't be evenly distributed, many still will refuse testing or quarantine due to unease about medical bills. No one is on the same page. Conclusion: We're on our own.


 
I believe that is what we keep saying and is the whole point. No need to keep repeating it.


Isabeau

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Gender: Female


Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 5:35pm



 westslope wrote:
The Spanish flu (1918-20): The global impact of the largest influenza pandemic in history

Pasted bit with emphasis added:

They are not the same disease and the virus causing these diseases are very different. The virus that causes COVID-19 is a coronavirus, not an influenza virus that caused the Spanish flu and the other influenza pandemics listed above.

The age-specific mortality seems to be very different. As we’ve seen above, the Spanish flu in 1918 was especially dangerous to infants and younger people. The new coronavirus that causes COVID-19 appears to be most lethal to the elderly, based on early evidence in China.20

But it is true that the world today is much better connected. In 1918 it was railroads and steamships that connected the world. Today planes can carry people and viruses to many corners of the world in a very short time.

Differences in health systems and infrastructure also matter. The Spanish flu hit the world in the days before antibiotics were invented; and many deaths, perhaps most, were not caused by the influenza virus itself, but by secondary bacterial infections. Morens et al (2008) found that during the Spanish flu “the majority of deaths … likely resulted directly from secondary bacterial pneumonia caused by common upper respiratory–tract bacteria.”21
 
Um, pretty much happy talk to investors 


FACT: U.S. no longer manufactures penicillin. It, along with 20+ other commonly prescribed antibiotics, are made in China.


FDA cites shortage of drugs

“Our whole industry is in one way or other way connected with China, but you would expect us to be much better placed.”Experts believe China is also the only maker of key ingredients in a class of decades-old antibiotics known as cephalosporins, which treat a range of bacterial infections, including pneumonia.
“The antibiotic supply chain is becoming increasingly fragile, even without a global epidemic centered in the major manufacturing location,” said Dan Diekema, director of infectious diseases at the University of Iowa Healthcare, a hospital. “If we were to have major disruptions that caused shortages of several antibiotics at once, it would challenge our ability to adapt.”





Isabeau

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Location: sou' tex
Gender: Female


Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 5:19pm



 miamizsun wrote:
Figure out how to help seniors and the immunosuppressed stay healthy.
By JEREMY SAMUEL FAUST

MARCH 04, 202011:35 AM
 

Sorry, but the virus will wave over the continent long before all politicians, hospital and insurance lobbies figure it all 'out.'
Individual and State's rights have usurped many policies of the fed. The U.S. Congress can't even pass a reasonable immigration bill for the last 30 years. Every politician and mini-serfdom (State) has solid ideas of what should be done and compromise has become blasphemy.  Tests won't be evenly distributed, many still will refuse testing or quarantine due to unease about medical bills. No one is on the same page. Conclusion: We're on our own.


BlueHeronDruid

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Location: planting flowers


Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 1:43pm



 Red_Dragon wrote:


 black321 wrote:

If it's only 40% then two shots ought to do it, no?
 

Why stop at two - be safe, chug the bottle.
 

I'm fairly certain that the natural  microbiota in my house will overwhelm COVID-19.
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 12:39pm



 black321 wrote:

If it's only 40% then two shots ought to do it, no?
 

Why stop at two - be safe, chug the bottle.
westslope

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Location: BC sage brush steppe


Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 11:57am

The Spanish flu (1918-20): The global impact of the largest influenza pandemic in history

Pasted bit with emphasis added:

They are not the same disease and the virus causing these diseases are very different. The virus that causes COVID-19 is a coronavirus, not an influenza virus that caused the Spanish flu and the other influenza pandemics listed above.

The age-specific mortality seems to be very different. As we’ve seen above, the Spanish flu in 1918 was especially dangerous to infants and younger people. The new coronavirus that causes COVID-19 appears to be most lethal to the elderly, based on early evidence in China.20

We’ve also seen above that during the Spanish flu many countries tried to suppress any information about the influenza outbreak. Today the sharing of data, research, and news is certainly not perfect, but very different and much more open than in the past.

But it is true that the world today is much better connected. In 1918 it was railroads and steamships that connected the world. Today planes can carry people and viruses to many corners of the world in a very short time.

Differences in health systems and infrastructure also matter. The Spanish flu hit the world in the days before antibiotics were invented; and many deaths, perhaps most, were not caused by the influenza virus itself, but by secondary bacterial infections. Morens et al (2008) found that during the Spanish flu “the majority of deaths … likely resulted directly from secondary bacterial pneumonia caused by common upper respiratory–tract bacteria.”21
black321

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Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 11:53am



 Red_Dragon wrote:
 

If it's only 40% then two shots ought to do it, no?
miamizsun

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Gender: Male


Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 11:44am



 Red_Dragon wrote:
 everclear should work


Proclivities

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Location: Paris of the Piedmont
Gender: Male


Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 11:20am



 Red_Dragon wrote:
 
That's also because it's not actually "hand-made" as they originally claimed.

Red_Dragon

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Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 11:16am

Tito's Vodka does not want people using its liquor to make hand sanitizer
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 10:16am

How did I know Oklahoma would be one of them? 
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