the challenge we have is that there is a novel virus making its way through the population over time viruses usually evolve to become less lethal and more contagious this one may end up like a cold, we are not sure and that will take time and a lot of exposure we have observed that some people are at a higher risk to have an undesirable outcome immunocompromised likely because of age, poor health and yes, genetic (see nebula genomics data base) whether it is a single factor or multiple reasons, these people are having a bad experience distancing, masking, ventilation, etc. combined with a healthy immune system all help slow the spread or at least help to make it manageable for our health care system (obviously overwhelming the system is not good) currently we see the vast majority of suffering (death, hospitalization and long covid) in people that haven't been exposed to the vaccine the human immune system is awesome and very adaptive, it can adapt to a multitude of viruses, bacteria and microbial actors acquiring that immunity has a cost/benefit and everyone will be exposed eventually after your exposure, you may not have a bad experience and that is great however the risk could be unknowingly exposing other humans who may not be as fortunate so what tools/strategies do we have to manage the suffering, death and economic disruption?
regards
You make a very good point about how the virus every virus evolves to become more contagious but less virulent so basically it knows to survive it needs to make itself spreadable so but it doesn't want to make itself so deadly so it becomes weaker but more contagious.
in other words if we do nothing nothing will burn out all by itself.
we however are interfering with nature and giving everybody some kind of a gene therapy or something that's never been used before successfully and then we have to deal with the side effects of the gene therapy treatment.
but if we do nothing, it's a bell-shaped curve it goes up and then it comes down all by itself just like every other pandemic so really we are just interfering by trying to battle it and what it will do is it'll create variants and side effects because that's what leaky vaccines do.
It would have. Too late for most of those in hospitals.
I want you to ponder some numbers:
Yours are a little out of date. Singapore has a population of 5.7 million, 78.5% vaccination rate, with 657 in hospitals, 7 in ICU.
Montana (where I live) has a population of about 1 million, 47.1% vaccination rate, with a 7 day rolling average of 311 people in hospitals, 35 in ICUs.
Singapore's covid hospitalization rate is 11.5/100K. Montana's rate is 31.1/100K. Singapore's ICU rate is .12/100K, Montana's is 3.5/100K.
So Singapore's rates are between 3 and 30X better, depending on which metric you use.
That's what vaccines do.
BTW thanks for the head-smack a few weeks ago pointing out the simple math that when 100% of people are vaccinated, 100% of cases will be "breakthrough" cases. It's so easy to say "75% vaccination rate and their hospitalization numbers of vaccinated patients are a higher % than less-vaxxed areas, the vax must not be effective." edit: as in the Israel example
Being vaccinated doesn't mean you absolutely, positively won't get sick, but it means you are much less likely to get sick, and much less likely to die if you do. When everybody is vaccinated 100% of the cases that happen will be among the vaccinated. Duh.
Israel's adult vaccination rate is about 80%. That means 20% are unvaccinated, and they are faring much worse than the vaccinated, just like everywhere else.
Actually it's the messenger of life who walks among you. The messenger of death clings to your fears and fallacies like a Velcro tennis ball...
Good analogy.
I am thinking that the anti-science, anti-data messaging from Americans of Great Stature has lead to roughly a 1/4 million avoidable deaths.
Now the question is the following. Is this a good thing or a bad thing? American attempts to correct resolve pockets of deep structural unemployment have not been overly successful so perhaps killing people is the answer.......
Then there are those around the world that have all kinds of reasons for hating Americans. When Americans kill Americans you risk making these people happy. To be clear, I would prefer that Great Americans did not make these people happy.
One would need but to step back from it all to see a bigger picture. Being American or more specifically a citizen or even an inhabitant of the United States has very little to do with the bigger picture other than the play on numbers. By far most people can't make sense of numbers. That's why politicians etc. use them so much. Sure, quantifiable data is the key to open the door, but once inside its often used as a skeleton key to push an agenda of one thing or another. We wind up, in no small part because of mass media, dazed and confused and ripe for deception. Outside of logic or even common sense, which aren't always the same thing by the way, we push each other to the brink. It's a really old story. I myself read that story several times now. This is why we perish for the truth; we try to make it fit in a tidy box labeled Right and Wrong and force feed it to our neighbor...
It would have. Too late for most of those in hospitals.
I want you to ponder some numbers:
Yours are a little out of date. Singapore has a population of 5.7 million, 78.5% vaccination rate, with 657 in hospitals, 7 in ICU.
Montana (where I live) has a population of about 1 million, 47.1% vaccination rate, with a 7 day rolling average of 311 people in hospitals, 35 in ICUs.
Singapore's covid hospitalization rate is 11.5/100K. Montana's rate is 31.1/100K. Singapore's ICU rate is .12/100K, Montana's is 3.5/100K.
So Singapore's rates are between 3 and 30X better, depending on which metric you use.
Actually it's the messenger of life who walks among you. The messenger of death clings to your fears and fallacies like a Velcro tennis ball...
Good analogy.
I am thinking that the anti-science, anti-data messaging from Americans of Great Stature has lead to roughly a 1/4 million avoidable deaths.
Now the question is the following. Is this a good thing or a bad thing? American attempts to correct resolve pockets of deep structural unemployment have not been overly successful so perhaps killing people is the answer.......
Then there are those around the world that have all kinds of reasons for hating Americans. When Americans kill Americans you risk making these people happy. To be clear, I would prefer that Great Americans did not make these people happy.
gene therapy makers claim: "We will be facing a pandemic of the unvaccinated in the next few months."
Really? The problem is some Amish people working on their farm? Those dirty Christian Scientists, those Hassidic Jews, all of them are dirty unvaccinated? And THEY are the problem. "The other"?
â people - put in some effort. Your logic makes zero sense.
coffee thoughts
the challenge we have is that there is a novel virus making its way through the population over time viruses usually evolve to become less lethal and more contagious this one may end up like a cold, we are not sure and that will take time and a lot of exposure we have observed that some people are at a higher risk to have an undesirable outcome immunocompromised likely because of age, poor health and yes, genetic (see nebula genomics data base) whether it is a single factor or multiple reasons, these people are having a bad experience distancing, masking, ventilation, etc. combined with a healthy immune system all help slow the spread or at least help to make it manageable for our health care system (obviously overwhelming the system is not good) currently we see the vast majority of suffering (death, hospitalization and long covid) in people that haven't been exposed to the vaccine the human immune system is awesome and very adaptive, it can adapt to a multitude of viruses, bacteria and microbial actors acquiring that immunity has a cost/benefit and everyone will be exposed eventually after your exposure, you may not have a bad experience and that is great however the risk could be unknowingly exposing other humans who may not be as fortunate so what tools/strategies do we have to manage the suffering, death and economic disruption?
gene therapy makers claim: "We will be facing a pandemic of the unvaccinated in the next few months."
Really? The problem is some Amish people working on their farm? Those dirty Christian Scientists, those Hassidic Jews, all of them are dirty unvaccinated? And THEY are the problem. "The other"?
Elon Musk claims: "the problem in the world is the dirty people who did not buy my car" Since when are the problems from people who are sitting on the bench, not involved?
The Red Sox lost the game because of the fans who did not know there was a game going on.
— people - put in some effort. Your logic makes zero sense.
you denigrate their motivations and indirectly the motivation of most health professionals.
From the article:
DER SPIEGEL: For a long time, the hope was that we could vaccinate our way out of the pandemic by achieving herd immunity by autumn.Have we underestimated the virus?
Sahin: No. The virus continues to spreadalmost exclusively among those who are not protected.We will be facing a pandemic of the unvaccinated in the coming months.
DER SPIEGEL: In your new book "The Vaccine: Inside the Race to Conquer the COVID-19 Pandemic,” you detail how you succeeded in developing a vaccine at a speed few thought possible.Are you angry with all the people who flat-out refuse to get vaccinated?
Türeci:Not at all.As doctors and scientists, we believe that everyone must decide for themselves whether or not to be vaccinated. Our mission was to provide a vaccine.People have to be able to assess for themselves what it means to be unvaccinated.
