What's funny is that in a bizzaro world where Trump won a second term and didn't botch the COVID response and insisted on COVID mandates... you would be first in line to call out anyone not vaxxing.
You were pretty much supportive if not in lock-step with everything he did.
Nope. Not true. You are projecting.
I do not see Trump insisting on mandates as we are seeing them today. And he has not that I am aware of. He has strongly encouraged vaccination, but has never supported a mandate to do so.
You've really got to work on your dossier updates. I do believe that immigration should be controlled by a legal process. You would probably be appalled at what I think qualifies people for visas and citizenship though.
You have consistently been against any merit based requirements and I have never heard you say what determining factors you are for, in this regard.
As with the last sentence you hide behind your enigmatic facade and refuse to go on record and state your position(s). As usual.
Just because many people agree does not mean that they are taking orders or following instructions from someone. It is very possible that they have come to a similar conclusion independently and have joined together for a common cause. I believe that this is an example of what is often referred to as a grass roots action or movement.
In case you have not been paying attention, illegal immigration is very high on the list of issues that unites Trump supporters.
But as an open border guy, there is no such thing as illegal immigration in your vocabulary.
So and with you as well, there is no reason for further discussion on this particular issue.
What's funny is that in a bizzaro world where Trump won a second term and didn't botch the COVID response and insisted on COVID mandates... you would be first in line to call out anyone not vaxxing.
You were pretty much supportive if not in lock-step with everything he did.
Get vaccinated or become homeless and starve. That is some choice.
Maybe not literally a gun to the head forcing the vaccine, but essentially the same thing.
And moving on to another point raised elsewhere about control.
I am able to come to that conclusion based on two things. The unwillingness to allow any considerations let alone discussion of natural immunity in the broad scope of dealing with the virus. Secondly, what is going on at our southern border where absolutely none of the mandates and requirements being forced upon citizens are being done to the illegal migrants streaming across the border. They are exempt and have been declared exempt by the Biden admin. This destroys any thought or notion that all the mandates and requirements being forced on citizens is based on public safety. The DHS sec has admitted that 20% of them have an "illness", yet absolutely nothing is being done to mitigate any of it. Just bring them in and distribute them throughout the country with lord only knows what kinds of mutations of CV and any other diseases they may have and infect the population at large.
There is absolutely no way anyone can convince me that this is about public health and safety in any way, shape or form as long as the shit storm at our southern border continues the way it is. I will add that there are about 70 million people who voted for Trump who feel much the same way. So don't anyone try and say that they haven't heard this thought before or that few have this thought. You are mistaken.
1) No one owes you a job, right?
2) Illegal immigrants aren't allowed to work so comparing the two situations is apples and oranges.
2a) Vaccines are available free of charge to all immigrants, illegal or not and they are encouraged to get them.
2b) Anyone applying for a green card is required to be vaccinated.
3) No one can convince you of anything. But in any case the number of people with covid arriving at the US southern border is a drop in the bucket compared to the daily new cases in people already in the US. Maybe they have "natural immunity" and are helping the cause. It's not like the US would get to covid-0 even if you closed the borders.
In case you have not been paying attention, illegal immigration is very high on the list of issues that unites Trump supporters.
So on this issue, they all agree, and have said you can speak for them. Good to know.
kurtster wrote:
But as an open border guy, there is no such thing as illegal immigration in your vocabulary.
You've really got to work on your dossier updates. I do believe that immigration should be controlled by a legal process. You would probably be appalled at what I think qualifies people for visas and citizenship though.
kurtster wrote:
So and with you as well, there is no reason for further discussion on this particular issue.
So are republican/trump voters in lockstep, or are they independent thinkers?
Just because many people agree does not mean that they are taking orders or following instructions from someone. It is very possible that they have come to a similar conclusion independently and have joined together for a common cause. I believe that this is an example of what is often referred to as a grass roots action or movement.
In case you have not been paying attention, illegal immigration is very high on the list of issues that unites Trump supporters.
But as an open border guy, there is no such thing as illegal immigration in your vocabulary.
So and with you as well, there is no reason for further discussion on this particular issue.
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There is absolutely no way anyone can convince me that this is about public health and safety in any way, shape or form as long as the shit storm at our southern border continues the way it is. I will add that there are about 70 million people who voted for Trump who feel much the same way. So don't anyone try and say that they haven't heard this thought before or that few have this thought. You are mistaken.
So....no vaccine mandate for the US citizens or immigrants, but if either wants to work for a number of employers, they need a vaccine. Seems they are playing on a level field, or do you want it tilted against the personal freedoms of an immigrant?
So you see absolutely no difference between unvaccinated citizens and unvaccinated and untested illegal immigrants. Got it.
No point in any further discussion on this issue with you. Or others who agree with you.
So....no vaccine mandate for the US citizens or immigrants, but if either wants to work for a number of employers, they need a vaccine. Seems they are playing on a level field, or do you want it tilted against the personal freedoms of an immigrant?
